How many of you belive in population control? Some kids little post just reminded me of it.

I gotta say i think its total bullcrap....with reasoning but im too tired to post any backing on it right now.

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i made a thread about this a while ago. anyways......from wikipedia

Boyd Rice's Social Darwinist outlook eventually led to him founding the Social Darwinist think tank called The Abraxas Foundation, named after the ancient Gnostic god Abraxas.

The organization promotes authoritarianism, totalitarianism, misanthropism, elitism, is antidemocratic, and has some philosophical overlap with the Church of Satan. During an interview with Christian talk show host Bob Larson, Boyd Rice described the basic philosophy of the foundation as being "The strong rule the weak, and the clever rule the strong". The organization generally feels that any action leading to human depopulation, regardless of scale, is good in that humans are a dangerous strain on the environment. They maintain that large scale violence is inevitable, and to be strong, humans should succumb to their animal instincts to survive. Racism is not necessarily promoted, but fully acceptable in that it promotes these ends. The organization does not consider itself good or evil, and sees its philosophy as transcending these dualities.



I may not agree with the philosophy behind it, but I find the concept of the abraxas foundation interesting.

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Believe in it like....believe it is secretly happening, or beleive in it like "i think it is a good idea."?

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If you believe it is happening, you're retarded. USA just hit 300mil. Woohoo!

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People for population control are complete hypocrites.

Im against population control...but Im for people having way less kids. If that makes sense? I think it should....

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That is population control. Just cause it isn't violent does not make it exempt.

and just for the record, I am for people controlling how many kids they have, but not killing people so I can have a bigger yard.

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Then I'm a complete hypocrite. I dream of the day when the last human being quietly dies out. Ever heard of the Voluntary Human Extinction movement?

http://www.vhemt.org/

It's serious, and volunteers know that all chances are against them. I don't believe in widespread violence or "natural domination", as violence is for the self-righteous and meddlesome and natural domination is altogether too "human" and is bound to cause more waste, greed and irresponcibility.

There is already a march-of-the-idiots effect with st00pid people more likely to breed and breed more than more inteligent/educated people, religions encouraging everyone to breed, social pressures and duty, instinct and whatever the fuck.

For an effective breeding population of homo sapiens, only 100,000 or so specimens are required. Due to human influence 50 species a day go extinct, and tens of thousands of children die every day, but it's okay for YOU too breed, because you have a computer and clean drinking water and don't care that you're fucking everything up for everyone.

If those volunteers were not posers, they would have posted pictures of their hacked genetallia so we can make sure they aren't doing any breeding behind our back.

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Yeh, that's because people who don't intend to breed aren't allowed to have sex and urinate normally. Saying that human sexual relations are exclusively for breeding is reducing humans to the level of brood animals.


According to my calculations, there is not enough sex going on right now. GET CRACKING!

Im not for controlling how many they have. I just personally think people should stop.

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Haha, fair enough. I hope your ready to defend your opinions with the whole of metaltabs.

(which pretty much means you'll only be arguing against 5 people)

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I agree with some form of Population Control, but I won't go into racial discrepancy.

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the black plague was population control caused by dirty, stupid humans... soon mother earth will make a new mass killer to kill off a few thousand or million of us.

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The whole idea is so unrealistically silly. Arguing for it as vehemntly as Broken Crimson either for it or against it without taking a middle stance (need to do SOMETHING about population explosion, but not as extreme as that website advocated) makes you a nu metal band, scooping out the mids and jsut boosting the extremes. And if Slayer has shown us anything, its that mids rule all.

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Posts that continue to impress.

To requiem: Finally a semi-decient thought out post. Only took you like 3000 posts. (edit: i was close haha like 3100 somethin posts)

To BrokenCrimson: I've read your thoughts on this whole "irradication of human species" many times over. It literally brings a laugh to me because its probably the stupidest thing i've ever heard in my entire life. Cry me a fucking river seriously. "oh animals die every year" who seriously gives a flying fuck? What differences does it make to the ENTIRE universe? Since you and all like you are so all knowing and all so fucking noble. If you ever actually sat down and thought about shit logically for ONE SECOND you'd see how absolutely ignorant your arguements are for this. "oh we are so wasteful, so ignorant, so blah blah blah" why don't you start your revolution by killing yourself first you hypocritical cunt.

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Blood Red Bass:
Adding even one new human being to the population means millions of kilograms of solid, liquid and gaseous waste. Did you even read that website at all? Read the unity statement on that website, advertising consideration of middle ground. VHEMT takes the stance that the human species is not redeemable. Having a child is an open statement that you believe that the human race has something good going on and can live in balance with it's environment. Sadly, the statistics say otherwise.

FearFrost:
Nature is not a sentient being. It was never human vs. nature. Nature will not kill off humans, and will not rejoice when they're gone. Anthropomorphising nature like that is bullshit. "Mother nature" is a fucking metaphor, and metaphors are tools of communication and nothing else.


"To BrokenCrimson: I've read your thoughts on this whole "irradication of human species" many times over. It literally brings a laugh to me because its probably the stupidest thing i've ever heard in my entire life. Cry me a fucking river seriously. "oh animals die every year" who seriously gives a flying fuck? What differences does it make to the ENTIRE universe? Since you and all like you are so all knowing and all so fucking noble. If you ever actually sat down and thought about shit logically for ONE SECOND you'd see how absolutely ignorant your arguements are for this. "oh we are so wasteful, so ignorant, so blah blah blah" why don't you start your revolution by killing yourself first you hypocritical cunt."

Killing myself would be a waste. I do a fair ammount of volunteer work and increase the quality of life of many mistreated animals.Misanthropy is not self-hate.

Humans are small, we need not care about the universe as we can't impact it. I'm doing what's in my power to affect the environment around me. Saying that an animal's life doesn't matter because it's inconsequential is bullshit, nobody can determine the value of a unique life, human life included. I'm not promoting genocide, I'm promoting a utilitarian, gradual solution.

Ok, when the sun burns out, we are all fucking dooooooooooomed. (NATURE) not too mention, on this planet, species die off almost every day. so im daaaaaaaaaamn well sure, one day there will be something that has evolved far past our immune system, that we all fucking die out. Or some animal that hunts our ass's down and eats us. (not so lucky to take place, but still would make a nice thing to play out when such time might come)




Yeah, we are like the 10 cartons of cigs the earth smokes a day thats killing it reaaaaally fucking fast... Stupid come back missy.

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Both BrokenCrimson and tmfreak have points. Although I have to agree that if you use the "on galactic scale it dosent mean shit" argument then the earth dosent mean shit either, and im sure we would be quite upset if it blinked out of existence. I understand why people feel this way about the topic, but lets face it, humans will (have) over run this planet and suck it dry of life and resources eventually. The kind of organization and mass understanding of this concept is so far out of a selfish humans reach that we are pretty much all fucked eventually.

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i think this is proof BC is an elf, like the "lord of the rings" kinda elf.

hates humans.

loves animals.

all these pictures of trees and nature stuff.

kinda looks like one......

complains that people arent in balance with nature

probably wouldnt mind is there was a global holocaust as long as the enviroment wasnt that fucked....



eugenics and the control of the population by mass killing will be a reality in the future.

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LOL, our sun is pretty much a young teenager in sun years. We will all have been dead by billions of years before that happens.

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You're correct friend, but still, my point is there, no matter what, we have a ticking time bomb over our head and nature is holding the "everything dies button".

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i am against the concept of population control. everybody has a right to live, whether they can do so under their own initiative or with the aid of somebody else.

for me, everything should be done to promote biological and social stability through sustainable living. i see current problems as being the result of mismanagement and apathy by those who have genuine control of resources and living systems. responsibility lies with every individual and every organization, it is the choices that we all make that has landed us a planet where we are and where we are all heading.

fear not, humans will survive long into the future, but not as we are now.
no, i believe within the next century biology and technology will merge to create the new breed of 'human', and this event is usually refered to as the singularity.
this is what im hoping for.

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Steve, maybe you should sit this one out.

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the sun is likely to exhaust its fuels and swell in size to beyond the orbit of venus around 5 billion years from now. bit of a wait...

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nick, look at the mayans/aztecs (cant really remeber WHAT group of people it was) but when europe came to the west, they were killed by something that their immune system could not fight.

Now, i was joking about an animal hunting our ass's down

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haha, what?

Scurvy? lol.

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Spanish carried over some flu (cant really remember WHAT it was) but they ended up giving it to them.

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many died from this, but eventually their immune systems adapted. yes, the civilizations collapsed (mainly due to severe droughts), but the people still survived.

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as far as food is concerned, in america, 80 percent of our agriculture is grain.

grain to feed livestock for slaughter.

if we wanted to be efficient we'd switch to veggies and have people eat a predominately vegan diet<meat would be very expensive and rare so people would have no choice>

so, at least in america we have space, we're not overcrowded by any means and a population problem wont happen for a long time.

agriculture in most of the industrialized world is geared toward predominately meat eating.

we arent gonna run outta oil anytime soon and the sun isnt gonna burn out.

so this talk of controlling the population is a long ways off. china and india is a concern within thier borders and the question of thier oil comsumption is more about who's gonna sell it to them rather than will they bleed the world dry.

thats my opinion.

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a concern sould be the environment. weather patterns are changing, resulting in heatwaves, floods, droughts, glaciers retreating, shifting glaciers in antarctica, rising sea levels.

india and china are gonna be pumping alot of polution into the atmosphere, and its going to have an impact.

population control? the environments gonna be taking care of that. there are projected figures of millions displaced annually by environmental catastrophes.

here in oz, australias lower east coast has been going through the worst drought on record.

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FearFrost:
You missed my point entirely. Nature cannot "fight" humans because it's not a sentient entity and as such cannot make decisions. Either way, in 500 to 18,000 years the 5th ice age will set in and everyone will be fucking frozen. That's not in any way proof that nature is "fighting" us.

Andras:
I appreciate your point of view and believe that everyone has the right to live, but life that doesn't exist yet has no rights as such. The amount of people displaced by natural disasters is minute compared to the reproduction rate, and only leaves a minor mark on it. More people only means more pollution.

And nor did i say it was "fighting us/us fighting it" anyway. It is just it's own way of balancing things out.

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Small pox.

Evolution works in such a way that species die off all the time. It's one of the major tenants of the theory that makes biology make sense. I'm not trying to justify or excuse anything, but it's at least a little silly to get upset about 'causing' things that would occur anyway. In the big picture, humans don't have many generations left unless we get smart, quick, and if you really want to help the species die off the best thing to do is to encourage current trends. The earth will rebound. We won't. Having a lot of kids will only push towards Malthusian ends. Not having them probably only prolongs the species.

More realistically, though, something will happen to help curb population growth. Such as the recent, prominent natural disasters.

Oh, and lay off BC if you can't bring a real argument. No snarky bitching without some kind of argument. And I don't care if you think it's dumb to argue with a figure of speech, or to believe in human extinction while wanting to live a fulfilling life, or anything else. You're not making a good argument unless you adress the points, rather than the life of the person presenting them.

are we talking about life that wont begin to exist until tomorrow or life that wont begin to exist say, a thousand years, or a million years from now? if its lives that will come into existence within our lifetimes, then i believe we as a collective have some obligation to at least present a decent world for them to live in. purely subjective i know, but we gotta start somewhere at dissolving our present myopia.

now, displaced people will have an increasing effect on the populations as the economic costs will rise drastically. research conducted by leading insurance firms around the world have concluded that the economic costs could cripple smaller nations within several decades if projected natural disasters eventuate. i recall reading about this in various finance industry journals in early 2006. just because people arent dying doesnt mean quality of life wont degrade. this is where prudent resource management can alleviate some of the strain of a burgeoning populace.

PST 88:
awesome points. theres a strong indication to suggest the next evolutionary step will be information reproduction, not just genetic/chemical reproduction. this can be witnessed with the increasing connectivity between biology and technology eg. internet, satcoms, the predicted arrival of artificial intelligence. all this within this century. better not be bullshit im hoping.

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Well, at least someone is doing something to cut down on little rappers being born. http://news.aol.com/entertainment/m...9990001?cid=918

Ooo! I wonder if they'll call it Rapperz4Wrapperz!!!!

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BY GOD! AFTER ALL THESE YEARS OF MAKING FUN OF THESE FANTASY IDEAS AND LYRICS THEY"RE TRUE AFTER ALL......Thank you.. oh thank you Lord Low-Tech for imparting this great knowledge upon me!

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well what i think, dumb elf jokes aside, is that malthus had a point but since its been decades, his theory on population growth were a bit high.

not to knock the theories on exponential population growth.

current trends of weather patterns are not concrete indicators of global warming, but i do believe it exists. weather has been warm where i live but to simply say "see, global warming" is kind of a bit much. weather fluctuates and we have been observing it for long enough to be aware of it.

1997 was the warmest year, i believe. and the late 1800s have some yet unbroken records in terms of weather irregularities.

its kinda a knee jerk reaction. this is not to defend corporations and polluters, its been past time to change, globally agriculture to foodstuffs thats more efficient and healthy, develop renewable energies and get off the fossil fuels, conservation of wildlife and forests.

i think its a matter of comfort why america doesnt change, i think getting off of oil id impossible due to how corporations literally dictate policy here.

we are simply gonna learn the hard way.

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oops double post.

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Ok this is going to be a "short post" because i'll still need to gather my thoughts and present a better case. Btw my first post i was drunk so all barriers holding back sarcasam/assholeness were completely void. (not excuessing my post because every bit of that was said was meant to be)

But anyways, heres my "2 cents."

To BrokenCrimsons recent comments: Ok there we go there is some thinking i can definately relate and most definately agree with you. I.E. Mother nature being not a real entity and more or less a metaphor for the way things seem to happen. (hard to describe but describing it is meaningless anyways)

Also define utilitarianism as you mean it. (meaning tell me what you by using the word "utilitarian" in that sense) And i'm not going to attempt to point for point counter that website you posted even though its very tempting. I started reading some of it and its loaded with logical errors and inconsistent messages, to the point where their opinions are muddled.

I'll just look at "population control" for the moment. It doens't make any logical sense for any nation to have a population control unless it truly needs it. Population control is almost a basic crude way of attempting to "Fix" problems that are currently here or we THINK are here based off "scientific evidence." What this means is that there are plenty of other options other than this "population control" such as changing the mind of those living and or other life styles. Hell this was basically already accomplished with this "scientific evidence" "proving" "global warming" that WE created. *cough* Bullshit. But hell that propagandha is REALLY working. Why not do it now for other things?

The reason i dont' say population control is particularly needed in most cases is probably because we aren't "oh so maxed out" of space. Kinda like Low-tech said about better usage of space. Also its kind of a slippery slope type of deal with a government advocating and forcing popluation control. The only way its possible to do so is A. A dictatorship or B. Communism. There is no way to implement that into "free societies" just because why stop there? Its already removing YOUR FOR REAL RIGHT to reproduce. Its a much more profound and meaningful right than nearly every one of the others combined, (as i see it). So like i was saying get rid of that right, why not speech, why not religion, why not ANY of those "freedoms"?

This is where the entire idea is kind of backwards thinking.

So heres my personal idea. I wish i was born like 200 years in the future.(although i do very much enjoy the time we live in now) But i'm a space guy. I want to up space spending by ridiculous amounts in attempts to get us into space, give us the ability to terraform, and do all thoes kind of cool things. Its almost depressing to think that i won't be alive to see and live the most amazing stuff the human race will possibly ever accomplish unless they find the cure for aging which i actually read this guy has a theory on living forever with the finding of 7 different things hah.

So to end this little post I also dont't hink their rights (animals or trees or whatever) have any right over another to live. Therefore us doing ANYTHING other than what we are doing now is almost pointless. I don't see it being possible for us to "completely destroy this planet beyond repair" considering its been here for 4 BILLION years and we've been here for the tinest blink of a portion of that. Trust me this globe doesn't give a fuck, if it has to start over from fucking bacteria and fish it will do that and it'll keep fuckign smiling because it wil always get the last laugh. Even if we nuke every tiny piece of existance on this planet, it really doesn't care.

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Dear god yes. It almost makes me sick to my stomach to hear this bullshit about global warming. Its possible/probable that we've done some changes to the weather slightly. But to say OH LAST YEAR WE HAD SO MANY HURRICANES OH NO ITS GLOBAL WARMING. Is just the dumbest bullshit i can possibly imagine.

To think also that our amazing scientists can barely figure out shit NOW, let alone a massive GLOBAL trend of warming temperatures and the certain cause of it is just bullshit. (not REALLY knocking scientists but this is all kind of a red herring thing.)

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i'm all for population control, assuming "population" stands for "hot babes" and "control" stands for "fucking".

My thoughts exactly. High five.


I'm going to be a big asshole and say, "I think we should have a violent population control with lots and lots of killing of the weak and useless, but it should happen in one of those loser countries--not here in America."

---hahahahahhaa. Seriously though, I don't care as long as the govt doesn't ban casual sex.

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Hey, maybe if there's more ugly people in the world then there would be less population. Makes sense to me.

I told my hubby about Fittycent condom line and he said that you can shoot in them 9 times!
I just thought I'd share that.

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Since i'm kind of a.... two faced person on every issue. (basically depending on the situation i go both extreme ways)

If you want to look at government giving rights instead of "protecting" kind of way this is most definately the appropriate course of action. Euthansia of the weak, sickly and so on. There is alot of dangers in this but.. you know... ha

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I'm pretty sure powers' proposed solution is already taking place in various funnily-named countries throughout the world.

Like Uraguay!

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id be all for survival of the fittest if that meant i could somehow get by too, but i am a walking example of modern science interfering with natures way.

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Wait, is that actually you in your avatar?

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I'll look at your position with an attempt at objectionally looking at it.

Why should we spend money helping somebody who is "sick" or "handicap" from birth or from some injury? Thats the question that needs to be asked.

The only answer i can kind of think of is that by doing so we further our knowledge and technology of various medical fields that in turn could benefit everyone else who is "fine" and "normal." Thats probably one of the better counter arguements i can make for euthanizing the "sickly"

Oh and PST once i read that i thought of any country that has the name _____stan hah.

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Canadastan????

As bassb calls it Quebecastan.

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this is the type of population control i was preferring to:

We hear lots of things as there's a cure for cancer, aids, and other various disease's which we are told by scientist and our government that there is no cure for. Ive seen documents and so forth that could absolutely persuade the uneducated/idiotic that there is a "Form of population control beneath us". This population control exist by letting people die off of these various diseases which we are told there is no cure. I've seen documents where this doctor was discussing how this one medication actually cured this girls cancer. However right after the discovery the drug was took off the market. The company's claim for taking this drug off the shelf "Economically the drug was not doing well in the market". I'm not sure how much truth was behind this documentary since they will show the most bias shit to persuade people. Another claim i hear alot is hey Magic Johnson is doing just fine his HIV/AIDS is cured. Total bullshit.

The facts on the matter:
First off this would mean ever country on the fucking earth would have to agree not to let these drugs touch the market therefore population control through these various diseases can take effect. Well as we all see most/all country's cannot get along and disagree on many things and this could not take effect. Also, people have it in them to "Cheat there competitor". I mean if there were such drugs company's could make billions off of it. Look how they brand us on this low medication so far. Which leads to this, "People will spend a lot of fucking cash knowing that their life would be saved by this one drug"! It would mean buku dollars for an industry. Knowing how much of a commodity our world is now, they would go why not? Also, with the little girl if it did cure her cancer more research would have been done and the drug would have been put back on the market. Therefore ruining the claim they said the drug was not economically doing well. Also Magic is fucking loaded. He still has HIV. After taking so many mixers of pills and anti-bodies the HIV count is so low its just undetectable in his system. These mixers they prefer to as martinis. Without this magics HIV would develop on and he would be like everyone else.

Conclusion:
People will spend a lot of money to save their life and Company's have the incentive to cheat their competitor.

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I didnt bother reading the whole thread but Earth is population control. Earth is one giant living thing that reacts to actions. It takes measures to prevent its total destruction. That's what natural disasters are. I'll try to elaborate later.

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Yes it is. Tranz prays for death everday, for he has to have his gills cleaned above water, rather than underwater, like any dignified rebel allied fish-human bastard commander should.

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You should probably read the whole thing cause we already stated that earth is not the very thing you claim it to be. Its not a living breathing anything. its a rock that due to physics, chemistry and what not does life exist. Hell i watched a like 2 hour show on it on discovery the other day. Natural disasters are nothing more than common and not so common weather patterns. The same with solar flares from the sun, along with the solar wind that results from them, which creates the Aurora Borealis (i'm sure my spelling is off) at the poles.

Processes that took aeons to do formed what we know today. BILLIONS of years. The production of oxygen in my opinion is probably the most fascinating thing that they've theorized. Which took for fucking ever to do. Apparently alot of the beginning of Earth lies in Australia. (go fucking figure) Apparently there are canyons in Australia that have like 3 times the amount of oxygen in the atmosphere imbedded in the rocks there.

In short you are over playing this "mother earth." Its a fucking rock.

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theres no conspiracy from pharmacutical companies/people who do research in regards to treating serious disease like aids and cancer.

there also is no "them". there are many different competing interests in developing cures......internationally.

and i believe aids is curable in some instances, as there are people who are immune to the disease entirely.

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population control, in areas that need it, sounds reasonable to me.

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ahahahaha. gold. and thus, the big sig is back!

As an analogy, it's easier to predict how the universe on a grand scale is developing than the time evolution of each particle of multiple interacting systems. In short, slowly-evolving, long-term trends are easier to work with than highly dynamic, short-term systems. For slow-evolving and highly-dynamic systems insert 'climate' and 'weather' respectively.

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A little different angle was mentioned by a writer in my monthly church bulletin. What about us folks that are being prolonged in longevity with better health care? The ages we're living to and that you'll be living to will probably be more extensive than ever. How is that going to effect the retirement age as well as quality of life in our futures? And what will powers' look like when he's 108? (That's a scary thought!)

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I'm not over playing anything, you misunderstood. I'm not saying the Earth is alive in the sense we are. I'm saying that because there are very small parameters in which life can function, reactions to actions take place, i.e. global warming. Earth is just maintaining it's specific parameters for life.

Natural disasters are just part of it's natural cycle that allows it to maintain itself.

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Well sure i can understand this point.

I'm not exactly sure how you want to use "highly-dynamic" as it would relate to easier research?

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Modern science doesn't float magically outside of evolution; as far as I can tell, nothing proclaims the fitness of a species more strongly than its ability to keep even its weaker members alive. Tranny's a testament to the fitness of our species, if not to individual fitness.

The Earth isn't a living, breathing organism, but it can kill us off, or at least thin our numbers, as though it were one. There's a reason that the majority of any animal's children die, and when you start fucking with that you're just on the road to something unusual to get us back to the status quo. Which, again, suggests that population control will occur anyway, and that the people who really want it bad should encourage the world to over-reproduce and reap the hurricane. And if it seems as though I'm saying that preserving people like Tranny is going to prime us for a series of natural disasters to satisfy George Carlin, well, I probably am.

A pharmaceutical company that had a vaccine for AIDS would at the very least release a weak version of it, though I tend to think they'd try to release the real thing if possible. An AIDS vaccine would mean an absurd amount of money, whenever it came out, so why not release it quickly? There's a lot of bullshit about pharmaceutical companies, and for the most part they deserve it, but their business is still treating bad health and they have to do that to survive.

Population of Jersey: 91,000 est.

Jersey 51.1%, British 34.8%, Irish, French, and other white 6.6%, Portuguese/Madeiran 6.4%, other 1.1% (2001 census)

I'm not sure about the other percentages but now, Portuguese/Madeiran and Polish probably account for about 14/15%.

As far as population control goes, personally, I think it's too much to take away the right to reproduce. If population control was enforced somewhere it would probably take too long and/or have too little an effect to be beneficial.

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I see we haven't heard of China.

what do plates have to do with population control?

i don't think its a real problem yet..but people like to get busy..and don't much care for wrapping it up. one day there will be too many people for sure...unless some disaster happens. populations in most of the world, if not all, have been and will continue to grow.

at least they're working towards a permanent base on the moon..that technology might come in handy later.

I know i'm excited!! It was my idea like 10 years ago that they should establish a moon base. I think would be much easier to maintain than a spacestation would be. You could have like basically a "fuel up" type station there. Where you could launch everything from earth. Go to the moon. Chill there gather supplies and head out. Not to mention you could build almost everything there too and not have to worry about leaving the Earths atmosphere and all that jazz.

I want to be apart of Nasa.

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okay, im not sure if this relates that much
the other day i was in a bookstore.
some dude with muscular distrophe comes literally tumbling through the entrance.
seriously this guy threw himself from counter to counter to move throughout the store. knocking over small displays as he went.
an employee offered him a walker or wheelchair and he got all pissy and demanded to see the manager. I dont know where it went from there, but what the hell people.
dont pity this guy because hes crippled.
he was an asshole, imagine if one of those displays was an infant or small child, it couldve been trampled because of this one idiot having to be "brave" or an "inspiration" to other handicapped people.

That is why I think we need population control, kill people like that fucker.

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We don't let plates reproduce except with our express permission.

If there were little kids in the store, they would have been scared away. Any baby left on a bookshelf or on the floor probably has parents that deserve to have a wake up call. And while I think he definitely reacted the wrong way to what the guy working there offered, it's not easy to live with chronic illnesses, cut the guy some slack.

And if you killed that guy you would have to kill Steven Hawkins too, which would make this universe implode and end this population debate pretty fast.

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I'm not sure what you're getting at with this statement, but highly-dynamic systems are generally more difficult to conduct research on than static or slowly-evolving systems. For instance, compare the highly dynamic world of quantum mechanics with the world of general relativity; even the act of observing a quantum system changes it, whereas no such worries exist on the macro scale of GR.

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speaking of china and population control

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6254763.stm i bet they are kicking themselves in the ass now!

Well they better start pleading on gay rights .

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So I take it you don't believe in the Gaia Hypothesis? ....the Earth is a system with self-regulation. It is an ecosystem--a complex, living organism.

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Metaphor.

Ah.

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this thread just reminded me of the aids epidemic in africa. i think that was the place.

I just reread what you said the first time and i completely didn't get that last point till now. meaning you were talking about 2 different things for some reason i thought you were saying slow evoling and highly dynamic.

Gotcha gotcha.

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Not the "rulers" of china but probably the people that live there.

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nah, steven hawkins is harmless.
and I didnt mean baby as in bottles and diapers, I meant someone 2-5 years old. that curious age that might cause you to wanter infront of an ignorant asshole and get trampled.

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Lmfao is it wrong that I find that part funny for some odd reason? I mean...fucking Christ, when I read that, I laughed so hard I spat the cigarette out of my mouth and knocked my rye & coke onto the fucking floor to catch the cigarette before it burned something, I still can't stop.

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