Ok everybody, normaly there is a lot of fun going on here, but now i want your attention for a more serious topic. And its like this:

A couple of weeks ago some kid named Murat killed a teacher here in the Netherlands. Now t'is is something very bad itself but wat sucks even more is that this kid has a lot of "FANS" who think it is good what he did. I really of the idea that people like it that a life is being taken without having the feeling this might be wrong!.

now what i am going to say now has absolutly nothing to do with RACISM or What so ever. but here we go

There are 16 Million People living in The Netherlands (wich is a lot for a small country). From that 16 million, 3 million People have a different Nationality than the Dutch nationality. Wich is ok because i believe in a multicultural enviroment. But from that 3 million (wich is in fact if you do the maths, over 5,3 million people) a lot of people have the idea that they are above the dutch law and above the country's culture, they would rather see that the Netherlands would be much more like the culture wich they call Islam. Now again, for the record, i have nothing against religions or against cultures, But things are really starting to get ugly here. Murat was a kid with Turkish Nationality, and 2 days after his crime, friends of him where shouting the words: "MURAT WE LOVE YOU!" and they praised the fact that He took another persons LIFE away. Now i found a website where this also is like this. Some crap ass who calls himself ERTAN writes colloms (IN DUTCH) about the Dutch society, the dutch people and the dutch Culture. Is this the path that the Netherlands that people know as a multicultural enviromant is taking?

The fact that people have no respect for other peoples lives makes me want to puke and the thought that people like this are living in a country wich they don't even like and want to shape it like it was their own fatherland is something i would like to

Now i can hear people think: What's Your Friggin Point? Well read it again and then please realise that people who make websites like : http://www.ertan.nl are people who should evaluate their existence on this planet!

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yeah over here in canada, well more specifically quebec, theres the seperatist movement, in the 70's it even went terrorist, the french over here felt mistreated by the governement, funny thing is they should be grateful they have the right to be apart of this country, weve won the war and thyre have the balls to ocme out and try to tell us what their rights shoudl be. thats human nature, point the finger before taking a look in the mirror

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Yeh the worlds fucked up just goto www.ogrish.com .... bunch of sick fucks over there. Luckily here in america we dont have anything that i can think of like you gusy do in the neitherlands, but maybe thats cause were to busy bombing random country's. So is that kid gonna get sent to jail or anything??? I dont really know how the dutch law system is or anything

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Do you really live in America?

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bierfanaat : I think this situation sucks, but I also think there are similar things that happen all over the world. I didn't fully understand every sentence you wrote, and I may be wrong, but it seems to me that you're angry against the non-Dutch people who don't respect the Dutch law. But don't you think that there are also Dutch people that don't respect it ? I believe you should treat both of them exactly the same way. This being said, I still agree with you that taking a human life is not fun at all.

MetalMilitiant : That was stupid commentary. First, no one should actually have the right to be a part of this country since the Amerindians were the first to live in it. I also think YOU are not the one who won any war. And why would winning a war against another nation give the right to exploit the vainquished ? People should stop having this fucking pride in their country. It leads nowhere. And most of all, people should stop generalizing about everything : of course, there was terrorist movement in the 70s. But do you really think 100% of the Quebec people were supporting it ? In fact, this terrorist movement was violent, which is not right, but it was a reaction to a more subtile violence, cheap labor. Learn a little better your history and maybe you'll change your mind about that. "point the finger before taking a look in the mirror", yeah, that's really what you're doing.

well... bierfanaat said two things..let me try to explain it a bit...

first off, hes talking about something that happened a week or so before. There was this fella who shot his teacher because he got expelled for a few days. This might not sound like big news in a lot of countrys, but dutch folks arent realy that violent, stuff like this rarely happends... the news coverage it got for this event is comparable with the kind of newscoverage in the US after columbine...

secondly, this complicates it a bit, there are a lot of muslim immigrants living in the netherlands. The goverment want them to adapt (you know, learn the language, learn our morals etc.).. a part of the muslism is quit un-adaptive, and shows a lot of aggresion towards other groups (not just native ppl i think)

that guy who shot his teacher (murat) was a child of muslim parents, and a lot of the muslim youth are like "yeah, you killed a dutch mofo, you go dude"

the site bierfanaat was talking about is writen by some moslim dude (probably?) and hes all bitching about how he hates dutch people and dutch women and muslim woman in the netherlands etc. etc. and how whe all should be shot or something...

uhm...did it help?

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These bitches fucking piss me off, giving a bad name to Muslims. Fucking radical religious jizzbags fucking piss the fucking fuck out fucking of me. Fuck.

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yeah well at least I understand better the situation now. I think there's this kind of movement in a lot of countries, and it probably has a lot to do with the confrontation between different values and cultures. I suppose there's not much to be done about it, because human being is stupid and can't learn to live with different people.

yeah, muslims these days are either too radical or too liberal and loose. Not many inbetweenies (except me! at least i'd like to think so)
You usually only hear about the radical kind, which sort of sucks. I'd rather people heard more about the easygoing poser muslims who don't really practice the religion, than the uptight know-it-all radicals: Osama bin Laden and his gang. Osama bin Laden uses video to communicate when technically, taking pictures isn't allowed.

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That because Assman Cantget Laiden is more than likely atheist. He's just using Islam as a reason for his evil ways to fuck America up with the rest of the world.

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I know many american muslims that are cool. So what if Osama is muslim it dosent mean all muslims are terrorist. Thats like syaing since bush is a illiterate redneck that all americans are..

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A lot of Americans (and other global citizens) say how Bin Ladin, is using his evil with his religion (it is true but...), but if you read some in depth stuff about him he has good points, for example "the unholy ones (Americans) should not be present in the holy land (Saudi Arabia)". I mean there are the global police, but who will police the police when the time comes? Also to a lot of Moslems dislike the use of drugs and alcohol, premarital sex, and all other types of “sins”, yet it is what we as North Americans, and Europeans do. But if you look in other places in the world people don't like Americans, like in china during the cold war, Mao’s red book has tones of anti American quotes like: "for every base located on a foreign land, and area they control, they are tightening the noose around their neck". Hell if you go to any country people will ask where are you from, and almost all Americans will say “no I am not American, I am Canadian”.

But hell that my shitty rant of the night.

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--don't generalize muslims.--

but guys like Murat,

they should put them in a box and send them back to wherever the hell they came from.

either that or place their legs in cement and throw them into the Rhine.

I had trouble with Turkish people before, they allways bring their whole family, weak pieces of shit. it won't stop me from not taking shit from them though. but just remember if you're getting into trouble with a turk, allways have some friends backing you up or they'll gangbang up your ass with their whole family.

That's what gets my goat over here. Our government and local councils walk on eggshells so as not to offend minority groups of differing religion. One local council (can't remember where) BANNED sending Christams cards that contained anything concerning Christmas on them so as "not to offend" muslims, sikhs, etc.

England is a Christian country so why should we get all PC about a Christian festival? If anyone's offended by Christianity so much that they can't stomach a Christmas card then why do they come here?

It's very selective on their part. They're happy to take the benefits of living in a wealthier state where they are not persecuted and have the freedom to live their life to whatever system of beliefs they want to. But on the other hand they take offense to anybody who doesn't fit into their religious doctrine.

It's all very non-sensical to me. But bear in mind that it's only a minority of muslims, etc who behave like this. Maybe this minority could battle it out with the minority of rascists so they could mutually annihilate each other and leave the rest of us to get on with living in a harmonious multicultural society.

Unfortunately, we will never achieve a Utopia such as this and to most people's disgust have to keep reading about crimes such as that described by bierfanaat. All in all, it's a sorry state of affairs.

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well sort of:


Osama hates America 'cause:
1. U.S had a base in Saudi Arabia, which is the Mecca of all muslims....'cause well, that's where Mecca is. Osama was all pissed off 'cause he doesn't trust a non-muslim nation's base (with long range missiles) nesting right beside the Kaaba. He thought that's asking for trouble, thinking there was always the chance of american soldier Joe Bumfuck saying "i done launched a missyle at the Kaaba on 'accident'! my bad!". It's how christians would feel if Iraq planted a base near the Vaticans.

That's sort of dumb though, 'cuase you know that America would be extra careful because if they did do something stupid, the entire population of muslims in the world would raise hell.

2. America is too buddy-buddy with Israel, which used American money to kill muslims in Palestine. that's another beef with Osama i guess.

America did move the base out Saudi Arabia (into Iraq), and i think that Israel thing is Osama's remaining beef, or maybe something else.

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yeah, palestinians, ofcourse the whole isreal thing blew up in america's face because they're too buddy-buddy like Atif said, america's support for Israel has gone to far in numerous cases, the Isreali army bombs villages with Apaches sponsored by America, the Palestinians have one way of fighting back and thats guerilla tactics like suicide bombing and all that crap.

In a way, I think America has gone to far in their support for Isreal.

Back on the original topic, turks and morocans have caused a lot of trouble here, mostly the 2nd generation, why? because their parents don't raise them, thats fucking why.
The kid who shot his teacher (17yrs) had a dad that was in jail for a year in Germany and at this moment his dad is in jail in Holland, his mom didnt give a fuck.
the bad side of our immigrants here in holland are just the few rotten apples, but damn, we do have a lot of those.

that´s really true Def. I wouldn´t consider my self to be a racist, because I can see the difference between good people and bad people. The Muslims of wich Murat was a `member´ (not making it sound like maffia) are the kind that we have a hell of a lot in the Netherlands. For example: The dutch government was very smart and put all of them in one area, in Utrecht this is `Kanaleneiland´. So what do you get? The muslims think they are becoming the boss of that neighbourhood, so they constantly try out the (dutch) people and police to show that they are stronger. I know what I am talking about because I worked on the shopping mall of Kanalen eiland for 2 years. I worked at a computer store, and so lot´s of times I had fighting Marokkans (sp?) or Turks in my store. Lot´s of times when game-boxes were thrown through the store (allways by muslims), and even death threats where we had to be escorted by police to our car... so I´m not saying that they are all bad, but like Def said. There is something in their mentality that makes them behave like that...

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Yeah, its not all of them though, but we have enough of those 'rotten apples' I bet Turkey is empty with bastards now because they're all here.

Kanaleneiland huh? damn, I've been there a couple of times and the cops came into the bus and shit, not a good place to wander about by yourself. it's like the Bronx, but then in Utrecht.

In a way it is funny though it absolutely isn't....

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what a bunch of whiny pussies!
there are muslims all over the world getting persecuted against, discriminated, burned alive, thrust from their homes, and forced to watch their daughters get raped

and these fags can't handle a "christmas card"? boo frickin hoo.

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My sentiments exactly. People in authority are too scared to say or do anything where race is concerned for fear of being branded rascist. It's political correctness going into overdrive and it isn't helped by idiots who get offended by something as trivial as a Christmas card.

Take Abu Hamza (the muslim guy with an eye-patch and a hook for a hand). He's like the Muslim leader for hate against the west in Britain (funny how he enjoys a nice plush lifestyle unlike the people mentioned in the quote).

Anyway, this guy publically danced and marched through the streets of London with his supporters after the 9/11 attacks and we couldn't even deport the fucker because he has a right to freedom of speech. He was being protected by the political correctness lobby. Thank God the law is being changed and the bastard's going home, no doubt to a hero's welcome.

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pff, they put suckers like that in a bucket of cement and throw them into the Thames.

or hang them from the Tower bridge

Yeah, bring back the good ol' days of crime punishment! Gets my vote, anyway.

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Why does the US have to have bases all over the friggin place? It's pretty fucking stupid. The US is allready one of the 20 biggest countries area-wise, so why do they have to put up military bases all over? Most other countries do fine without this type of bases...

Christians? Hrm... "Believing"/"Religious" [Whatever word should be used to express "non-secularisement"] Catholic Christians. A protestant christian has no reason to care more about that then an Iraqi base in Berlin. Oh well.....

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i think they wanted to put a base in the middle-east, so they can protect Israel.
that's fine, i'm no Jew-hater, but if you build a base, try not to step on other people's toes....

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Hahahaha that was great. Made my night.

I read an article yesterday on this Murat guy... and probally the maximum sentence he can get is 2 years! TWO FUCKING YEARS!! Because he´s a minor, and then the dutch government wants to put more effort in re-educating them... I don´t know if that is with the punishment-lessing (SP?)... Example: when you get 20 years in holland, you do 14 years of it, because of early release and lesser punishment...

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Yeah... but how the fuck can you get more punishment than that? I mean, murder is just about the worst thing law-wise you can do.

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Yeah, we've got that over here too. Sometimes criminals can serve as little as a half of their sentence if they are "good" in prison. Who cares if they're good in prison, they were put there because they were bad OUTSIDE of prison. Their behaviour behind bars shouldn't matter.

Minors tend to get treated differently here too. If you're under 10 years of age in Britain, you can't be tried for a crime. Even over the age of 10 they get treated softly. Take the Jamie Bulger case over here. About 10 years ago two 11 year olds abducted Jamie from a shopping centre in Liverpool and murdered him. Jamie was 2 years old and the things they did to this kid were sick. They threw paint and glue all over him, burnt him, threw darts at him, beat him, used him as a football and then left him for dead on a railway line.

Now you'd presume that these two murderers would have no place in society and would be locked up for life. Not here. They went to a young offenders institute where they enjoyed regular holidays to Spain and lived in a nice comfy room with a TV and video games. They lived better lives than many law abiding kids. Sadly, they were released last year at the age of 21 and now live with new identities and police protection.

The 2 years maximum sentence for this Murat guy makes me sick. This surely cannot be the right way to "punish" young offenders who commit serious crimes.

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hang the piece of shit.

I hope someone with a heart shoots the asswipe when he gets out of jail, he didn't show any remorse the fucking sack of shyte can curl up and die if it depends on me.


well aren't I in a friendly mood today

The entire dutch law system is a failure... Not only the sentences, but also the police is nothing... they can´t do anything unless they have a written permission. So all of those assholes try them out, insult them and laugh at them because they can! When those filthy rats were protesting for Murat´s ´great hero act´ and were burning cars and all, the police politely asked them to leave... You should get a bunch of Me (SWAT in england, you know... riot control) I guess and just whipe them off the street... but if we do that we are racists so that can´t happen

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Exactly! It's frustrating at times, especially when people are considered heroes in their community for commiting a racially motivated crime. If we do anything to punish them, they reverse the roles and turn US into the rascists, saying that they are being persecuted.

Unfortuantely, I can't see a solution to any of the problems in this thread that would not increase the animosity between different religious groups. Quite depressing...

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yeah, I don't think theres an easy solution to this, really, we shouldn't have let them stay here in the first place, but back in the day everybody was just cheerfull and stupid at the same time.

meh, strickter laws over here would help a whole bunch though.

oh, carlsberg+hertog jan+corona+jack daniels = good

And again, it's that time again in the Netherlands,
A new movie got out in cinema here in the Netherlands wich was about marrocan and turkish people. It was a comedy made by marrocan and turkish people. The first day it came out it was already on again. 20 young marrocan people where arrested because of rioting in the theatre itself. They where arrested because they where Discriminating against dutch people and they where shouting "HAMMAS" "HAMMAS" ect. What the hell is wrong with young marrocans today? (I don't mean all of them, don't get me wrong) but it keeps getting worse!!!!

And the police in the Netherlands? They Don't do Anything against this. (they don't do anything at all!!)

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yeah, it sickens me. when that movie came out, most dutch folks were afraid to go there because the marocans where threatening them and trowing bottles at people. Whats going on in their minds? "This is our movie so you dutch pigs cannot see this!"

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That is because we are in their vision inferior people... and we dutch pussies accept that...

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