If you die today, would you go to Heaven or Hell? , (dont cheat)

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Hell...

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well, it's 11:18pm, i don't think i'll die today...
but if i did, my answer is.......no.

....and how the hell can i cheat?!?!

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I am immortal.

i thought you guys broke up! ahahaha
sorry, lame joke

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damnit, i must be slow...i don't get it.

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Immortal's a band. Cheating would be lying and saying you're a better, or worse, person than your actions, opaque to us uninformed itinerant netdwellers, would show you to be. You are slow, it's true.

Whose concept of heaven and hell are we going by, by the way? Because, really, if we're going to get into one of those strict fundamentalist ones, where, for example, beating off is hellworthy, who here isn't going to hell? I'm not a fan of this thread, but at least it's not just misplaced RTTism. Still, really, inane questions = bad.

PST's gonna go to heaven for giving all his weird explanations

me going to hell

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i know who immortal is.
And i like being slow, it gives me more time to ponder things.
For example, I take my time on almost every post I do.
I just like to think before I write, unlike some here...........

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Definitely Heaven.

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you forgot to include an athiest answer, ill do it for you.

heaven? or hell? or living without the fear of some some old coot in a beard firing a fucken lightning bolt at our sinful, hairy, zitty little asses?

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I'm a nice guy, but I don't believe all of what the Bible says to be real. I also gave up Christianity awhile ago. I should go to heaven (if it exists) based on my everyday actions. However, most religions would also send me to hell because I don't go to church.

Don't forget, we're all screwed anyway cuz we are gonna die. Heaven or Hell, no matter where we go, will suck.

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Who the fuck knows? I'm fairly convinced that anyone retarded enough to need to hang on to an idea that they cannot possibly prove in life is an idiot. Hindu, Christian, Pagan: Whoever says they've got the answers is a fucking liar....and probably a pederast to boot.

But I'll be sure to dig up your rancid, feculent corpse when you're dead and thrash an answer out of it.

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i dont believe in heaven or hell. But because of me having long hair/black clothes/heavy music doesnt mean i go to hell.

i'll go to heaven for sure

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In that case im going to Heven, because my original thought was the one my Grandmother gave my brother and I. "You like the devils music then join him in hell!!!!"

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I don't believe in Hell. So to Heaven it is! I WIN!

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if you don't believe in hell, how could you believe in heaven?

Cause that's where peoples souls go when they die. Duh!

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i think that the idea of a different world were all good dead go to is totally ridiculous.

and its just NOT TRUE, DEAD IS DEAD!

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I think all dead people go to heaven because that would be a waste of good souls. God probably puts them to work or something.

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I'm definatly goin' to Heaven. I've already talked to Jesus 2 times. Hes the one who gave me my first Burzum cd.

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I think death the same as birth.
Do you remember before you were born???
That's what I think death is. Nothing at all.

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imho there isnt such a thing as God, or JHWH or whatever

discussiions about religions make me wanne puke over ALL of em

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and Powers, thats a good one

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DEATH IS A CONSPIRACY! ITS A GOVERNMENT COVERUP!!!!!

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let my proclamation go throughout the land!!
hah ha.

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i don't wanna start a religious debate here.

i don't want what i'm about to say to spark a religious debate.



but i just want people who don't believe in God to take note of Pascal's rule, which basically is summed up here:

there's 2 possible ways that you can live your life (believe in God, or not believe in God) and 4 possible outcomes for the afterlife :

1. you didn't believe in God, but there is no God. you took your chances and you got lucky

2. you did believe in God, but there is no God. You played it safe but you wasted your time

3. you did believe in God, and there is a God. You made sacrifices but now your'e getting rewarded.

4. you didn't believe in God, and there is a God. you took your chances, you lost, you're most likely going to get punished.

so you can obviously see, that striving for outcomes 2 and 3 are the most wisest and safe, because you get insurance from outcome 4.
that's all i gotta say, and i'm not explicitly telling you "go believe in God now!!!", or believe in a specific religion, i just want you to think about it.

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...You're very smart, atif, you know that?

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hahahahahahahahahahahaha

....not a try at religious debate...but something to think about...

500 years ago, people believed many things.
now we call those myths...fictious tales.
what will be thought in another 500 years of today's...?

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My speech teacher did this thing last year...He took one person outside the classroom and told them a long story. Then the kid had to come back in and quietly tell the person first in line the story then he would tell the next person and they would tell the next person and so on. When it got to the last person, she had to stand in front of the class and tell the story. Lots of info got lost and some things got made up. Thats what I think happened over the course of thousands of years. Shit got lost and shit got made up.

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Of course it got distorted, the pen holders could edit what they liked. But it all came from one idea. Like the movie Dogma, go rent it.

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Next person to start a religious debate with "I don't want to start a religious debate, but" goes to hell.

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I'd like to point out the difference between kids standing in a circle whispering a story to each other and monks writing something in a book, copied from another book: monks could draw guys with gigantic hardons in the margins, as well as couples 69ing and various other things. Kids standing in a circle have nowhere to draw that. So there you have it.

atif's the only one to know Pascal. Sad. This is why you're all going to hell.

Also, please, hold on the attempted profundity. There's nothing worse than teenagers trying to be profound. Well, there's phallic lepidosis, that's pretty bad. It's a toss up.

there are no religions that says that if you dont go to church then your going to gell thats just something ppl make up

just like alot of other things in religions.

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Religious threads suck

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"If in everyday life, you are asked about continued existence after death by one of those people who would like to know everything but refuse to learn anything, the most appropriate and approximately correct answer is: 'After your death you will be what you were before your birth.' For this answer implies that it is preposterous to demand that a species of existence which had a beginning should not have an end; in addition, however, it contains a hint that there may be two kinds of existence and, correspondingly, two kinds of nothingness."
-Arthur Schopenhauer

You can not believe in God in the name of human reason. If you believe in God than it comes from the fear of the unknown, the fear of punishment, or a need of reassureance that you will be rewarded no matter how miserable your life is. Or to sum it up, God is for the weak.

EDIT: Why do people hate Religion threads? Because it requires thought and responses other than "Thats gay"?

I hate religion threads, especially in a metal forum, because the kind of responses provoked are of no greater intelligence, interest, or originality than 'that's gay,' yet every product of a load of sperm that would have gone to better use being sopped up by a tissue can, between the rare, mildly intelligent posts, chunder up his 'opinion' - half an idea, usually copied from someone else - with the selfjustified, iconoclastic rage and chauvinism* that so often accompanies the philosophizing of teenagers, and especially teenage metalheads. Unfortunately, yet frequently, people manage to live up to stereotypes. Which is, really, despite my 'unfortunately, fine. The real objection is how overdone this subject is, especially by people our age.

Of course, I'm glad to see someone who reads Schopenhauer, or, for that matter, simply READS. I'd be gladder to see everyone do so, rather than assume that they've got enough figured out between the ages of 15 and 25 to say anything remotely as, say, worth paying attention to as what was said by better minds at a noticeably later age. But, really, this forum isn't here to make me glad, now is it?

'God's only excuse is that he doesn't exist.' - Stendhal. But, seriously, don't judge my opinions by Stendhal's jokes.

*'Chauvinism' isn't a simple synonym for 'sexism,' for anyone who's wondering about my usage.

thats a veryvery good one, and im drunk and stoned and im writing this one down and stare at it for 15 minutes.

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i say we close this thread and go burn some churches (which i know that the average metaltabber desires to do)

who's with me???

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BURN BURN BURN

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Many years ago (and some to this day) there were civilizations with their gods of the cows, rivers, storms, etc. whatever. The romans and greeks also had polytheism, native americans still do today. We say ah, myths, fables, blah, blah. Yet why does our own hold so much water? We have a bible? And some vague proof that some of the stuff happened? There has recently been some research teams who have found a beaten path, lined with stones that leads to where the city of Atlantis should be according to myths. So I guess because we have some history and a book (in which some other civilizations do too, yet we discard them) ours is more feasible than all the others? I think there is nothing more than life, after or before. You die in the ground, you go nowhere, too bad.

I honestly think that the 'white-light' people see after they've died but are revived to tell about it, is probably a dream-like state that seems to last for awhile (as most dreams do) but is only a few seconds long.

As for religion, if there is a good and an evil side, the 'pure' side is the worst.

Pure - Crashes planes into buildings, occupies too many damn channels

Evil - At most, burns churches, whoop tee doo

For the less extremists, the pure side makes people act kinder to each other and makes themselves strive to be a better person. This I have no problem with, when you crash planes into buildings or murder people because you are a messenger of God or because God spoke to you, fuck you and you should be shot in your scrotum or vagina (whichever you prefer) with a nailgun until your internal organs bleed out your ass...

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I'll probably go to something between hell and heaven... I don't really believe in those...
after death there is Nothing, I suppose
you're gone
over and out

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Uhm, I think I'd go to hell.

But, who says hell is worse than heaven? Since nearly everyone is a sinner in one way or another, hell has got to be the place where you'll meet all your friends. Heaven must be a pretty fucked up place, full of people who lived all of their lives just to play harp in heaven for eternity. (yeah, i know, not my idea, but it sounds reasonable...)

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