Obscure, I know. And not spam. But...

Found out about this stuff (in the link) in New Scientist's Feedback section. Yes, I am a subscriber, but: it cheaper, I'd rather have even vaguely happy news, I like the feeling of living in a bubble away from celebrity news apparently relevant to us, I don't need the memorial edition of some late, racist reality TV idiot's news published before it actually dies, I plan on a scientific career.

Anyway... http://www.liquid-zeolite.eu/home.php

"Quantum, interdimensional form." <- (in the 'What Is Zeolite?' section)

If this stuff did get into your cells, it would release lots and lots of aluminium ions and make you feel very, very toxified.
If it is in permanent suspension, then it will have no contact with anything but the thing it is suspended with to remove heavy metals and it'll get shat out unlike nearly anything you wash down its actually-solid-not-liquid form with.
If anything, the actual contents of those bottles probably make you feel like you're in quantum, interdimensional form.

Dunno, just found it amusing. Any others out there?

Michael Chan, your thoughts if you read this.
Mod's - I did think about the science thread, but it's gotten a bit old.

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You're not alone, I'm a subscriber of Science, the bubble can be a nice place to live.

I'd post my own favorite, but I only know of a Swedish page for it:
Cure tinnitus by putting a flashlight in your ear. The all powerful, fantastic healing properties of the laser will set everything right, they say. And they have a professional website with no commercial or ads, and a lot of percentage-signs so they are a serious business-thingy.

And I'm sure this zeolite stuff will sell pretty well too.

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"liquid zeolite is a food supplement that is used primarily to remove heavy metals and other toxins efficiently and safely from your body." I just have a small magnet with all large meals and I find that the metals in my body are shat out along with said magnet. I'm thinking of patenting my idea and starting a business which advertises on holocaust denial websites

88% of all people know that percentages are absolute proof of fact and that 90% of all courts will accept them as rock solid evidence in 77% of cases

Laser beams in the ear sounds fun, but I'm almost certain that it won't cure my tinnitus or silence the voice in my brain which tells me I need to buy lasers.

I wrote about this in another thread, but homoeopathy is still #1 on my list of wanky medications that do fuck all except make your wallet easier to carry (and presumably make your illnesses much worse by virtue of the fact that you aren't actually treating them at all).

If I stuck a laser to my ear, Larry, my brain cell, would just think it was something to play with. My husband has tinnitus and gets money for it.

I think there is something to some of the homeopathic ideas, but everyone is different chemically so not everything works for everyone. I know my dad was undergoing chelation therapy when he had colon cancer and also bought 50 pound bags of carrots to juice to try to help.

Some of the oddest things can make or break a body. Persnally I think Paddy's been doing some hypno toad licking and that's what's made him the way he is.

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Homoeopathic medicines are water, that's it. If you think you need more salt or something, you'll get infinitely more of it just drinking the water from your tap than you will from a diluted homoeopathic remedy. Pretty much every chemical that homoeopathic medicines claim to have diluted in them are very likely already swirling around in your normal drinking water in much higher doses (anything more than one molecule is already a much higher dose haha). Remember, to get one single molecule of the "active ingredient" of the least diluted homoeopathic medicine available you'd have to drink several Olympic sized swimming pools' worth. The highest level of dilution would require you to drink enough of the medicine to fill our solar system - to just get one single molecule of it. Not only is this stuff just water, it's probably the cleanest water you'll ever drink!

In another thread you mentioned that family members/friends have developed resistance to things that previously gave them trouble (caffeine, bee stings, etc). This isn't the homoeopathic principle at work, it's a form of immunisation and the body's natural ability to develop certain defences over extended periods of time. Traditional immunisation, for instance, involves introducing a manageable/non-threatening amount of the foreign body into the patient to provoke a development of the body's natural resistance to it. This is all supported by scientific and empirical evidence, whereas homoeopathy has never, under any circumstances, be shown to have any effect beyond placebo. If it did, it would no longer be "alternative medicine", it'd be upgraded to "medicine".

Eating large quantities of carrots could very well have beneficial effects, but we can explain those benefits in scientific terms. Besides, your dad wasn't having a severely, severely, utterly ridiculous diluted-in-water carrot solution; he was eating a fairly large amount of them. In the homoeopathic mindset, this is the exact opposite of what would be required. In homoeopathy, the more diluted a substance, the more potent/powerful. I'm not kidding about that, this is actually what they believe/practice. Using that logic, I'm taking in the most seriously potent levels of snake venom that's humanly possible to take every time I have a sip of water - there's gotta be at least a drop of it floating around in our oceans. But here I am, still standing and still typing overly long posts on a metal forum with only a mild mental deficiency. I'll place a bet right now, in fact, that I can eat 100 pills of the most potent homoeopathic medicine known to man and survive unharmed (if a little bloated)

And hey, when the giant Potato Prince of Eyeball Village tells me that it's a bad idea to lick toads, maybe then I'll consider giving it up. Until such times, me and my fresh prince of spuds are livin' it large!

You seem to be carrying a lot of bitterness towards homeopathy; your Freudian quote aside, are you quite sure you're not repressing the memory of believing a *cough* kind of short person *cough* in an alley that you could actually cure your allergy by drinking eight olympian swimming pools of water mixed with eight pieces of dog hair formed into a smiley...?

Yea, the laser vs tinnitus idea is pretty funny. Even more so since they explain that it works because the lasers supposedly excite the nerve cells in your ear to regrow. I sent them a question asking why, exactly, they were marketing it as a cure for tinnitus and not the ground breaking, marvelous piece of medical technology this would have been if it was, in fact, true. Never got an answer.

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Nah, the only thing dad diluted the carrot juice with was celery once in awhile.

I went to ole wiki and read about the homeopathy thing. Pretty bizarre stuff by today's standards with all the research against it. It's marketable. I thought the bit about Zicam in the article was interesting since I've heard people say that it destroyed their sense of smell, but I wasn't aware that was homeopathic.

I'll just sip on my bottle of Lydia Pinkham's Remedy.

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HAHAHA it's frightening how easy it is for you guys to peer into my psyche and make a very plausible estimation of something I might post...

I'm not embittered by homoeopathy any more than I am by, say, acupuncture. It's just that homoeopathy above all other alternative practises is establishing itself as a bona fide discipline, and I've seen these "medicines" appearing in pharmacies alongside real, clinically tested medicines. Clearly they are being offered in order to accommodate the growing number of people who are actually willing to part with their cash and buy them, and it's extremely frustrating to me that genuine medicine has to make room for this garbage, and I'm also pissed off with the idea that homoeopathic remedies are being legitimised and given credit by their association with real medication and with the willingness of pharmacies to stock them. Think about it, if your local pharmacy started selling dream catchers and voodoo spells it would be unacceptable. Homoeopathy is just as stupid in my mind (which admittedly doesn't count for much). It's dressed up with homoeopaths who look/act exactly like GPs, with their clinics and their prescription pads, but it's nothing more than modernised witchcraft.

Please PLEASE post their reply here!

If only the masses would crank up Wikipedia - EVEN Wikipedia haha - before lunging into these alternative medications wallet-first the world would be a better place (in every sense of the word )

Well, ya can't believe everything you read on the internet. Oh! I just realized where the term "snake oil salesman" probably came from. Thanks!

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I agree 100%. Now all you have to do is apply that same scepticism to alternative healing and we're all set!

But I've been cured by alternative healing! I listened to some alt rock and it cured me of EVER listening to country.

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rofl!! lb nice one!!

so do you believe in "the cure"/ "going for a cure" paddy?? & no i'm not talking about having a the morning after the night before!! lol

i can't take homoeopathic medicines found that out the hard way when i was at school (won't bore you why i tried them).

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Hahaha as long as you don't tell us that you had a medical reason for not being able to take them. If that's true you must be the thirstiest woman on the planet

na they just made me

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And there we have it, all the statistical evidence needed that some alternative healing works.
Now, will someone please institute a full week of alt rock only on every airwave in Canada?

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The taste of crisps (in US: chips ) gives me headaches.

Perscription: no crisps. It actually works.
The symptom is the weird part. Although I am severely headache-prone.

Ayurveda is crock. Another titbit from NS: two new Ayurvedic products were banned in the US because they contained nasty levels of lead (I think it was 30 000 times the legal density or volume of lead in any one given oral or food product). They would have removed it, but the people who made them said if they removed the lead, the product would actually become poisonous.

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Well, there's a comforting thought. The more I find out about ingestion the more I miss my rototiller.

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Shit, I didn't realise you were a Scot!! Do you remember Tudor crisps? Man, I'd fucking stab my mother in her uterus with a machete to get my hands on just one more packet of the tomato favour ones.

I remember Count Duckula bars (they were basically like a chewy candy, based on the cartoon of the same name) and I remember my shit turning pitch black every time I ate them, which is probably why they disappeared off the shelves all of a sudden. Just another thing I love being taken from me. The weird poohs were fun, I loved staring at them for several seconds before flushing.

Haha I remember those from when I was a kid, we had the one you push along on wheels to make the blade rotate. The arch nemesis of toes everywhere!

I'm amazed the term "placebo effect" hasn't been mentioned yet. Alternative therapies are basically the placebo effect dressed up in namby-pamby psuedo-scientific claims and processes that cannot be falsified. Alternative therapies have very rarely out-performed placebo when involved in clinical trials, and even then the trials showing positive results in favour of alternative therapies have often been performed very badly.

If anybody still doesn't believe the quackery involved in alternative medicine after looking at individual trials, I would urge them to take a look at the meta-analyses available, which have pretty much all exposed alternative medicine for the sham it is. If you search medical journals you should find plenty.

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Yep, you got me. Vaguely remember Tudor crisps. Although they were actually English according to Wikipedia.

I'll bet some place in Glasgow still sells some epically out-of-date ones. It seems Walkers, who assimilated them, are basically re-releasing some of their flavours in their invent-a-flavour scheme. Man, I now miss something I possibly have false vague memories of.

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I thought they were English, but I assumed that Scotland, like Ireland, has full unfettered access to English junk foods (god BLESS 'EM!)

LOL! N. Ireland is just as bad, I'm sure.

Tell me, did you ever try a battered Snikers or the like? (Why did they rename the Marathon bar to Snickers??). I tried one once in my town, and it was surprisingly delicious! I had a mild stroke soon after though, so swings and roundabouts

Oh, yes. That's probably why Alex Salmond hasn't gone too far with his devolution plan. He's under the spell of English junk.

I haven't. Just because of well, yes, that stroke risk spike just after you've eaten them.

And I don't know why they re-named the Marathon. I personally mind the nuts annoying and well, its nutless cousin, the Mars, has really perfumed chocolate that inspires my head to throb for the rest of the day as per crisps.

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