Im always amazed how one idiot with a pistol can terrorize an entire college campus and kill 22 people.

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33 including the idiot

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thats even worse, god damn I hate people

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I don't see guns ever going away. Once the genie of knowledge is out of the bottle, you can put it back and that genie has been out for over a hundred years. Virginia has very liberal gun laws. I lived there 3 years. You can carry your lawfully owned gun in public, loaded, and available for everyone to see. The only place you can't carry it is were alcohol is sold or served. You can carry it concealed if you buy a $50 permit. For all the guns people carry in Virginia one might think there are a higher number of gun related events compared to other states with restrictive gun laws, but there isn't. If anything all the guns lawful citizens carry help deter crimes. Criminals will always be able to get guns and no gun law will ever stop that, but it is kinda hard to rob a place full of people owning guns themselves that know how to properly use them. Most people that own guns never have to use them though. People should have a last resort way to defend themselves and not rely so much on administration to insure safety. Big brother can't always respond in time so I feel having a way to protect yourself is only being prepared. Besides, it is a natural state of being that every human be able to defend themselves to some degree and in todays world that requires acting fast enough and deadly enough.

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There are other ways to protect yourself, a gun is excessive.

i just read two of the killer's "plays".

crap.

well duh, if the best thing he can come up with for his last moment was to try and rip off colombine than what can you expect of him as a play-write?

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hmm, if you ask me, he shat on colombine with the 3X death count.

thats not the point.
There was no originality in his attack at all.

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That's what scares me the most. No plan, just suddenly acting. No room for reason.

I'm glad to hear that you're okay, TM, that's unbelievably frightening.

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Like what? Guns are excessive, yes, but they are also a common and efficient weapon. They are cheap, easy to get, easy to operate, and the first choice of serious criminals. The only way to completely stop gun violence is to destroy all guns, the knowledge of how to make guns, and any reference to guns that ever existed. That would also mean the elimination of everyone that has ever heard of a gun and hope no one in the future has an ideal to build something similar. That just isn't practical or realistic. As long as there are people guns are never going away and that technology will again be abused to shoot up another place. It is going to happen. If you are at that place wouldn't you like to at least like to have the ability to fight back?

I'm not saying to pull a gun out every time there is a problem, but having the appropriate level of defence is better than coming up short on defence. One should never need more than a single gun for personal defence in the extreme. Fortunately foul language, dirty looks, and a bad attitude will suffice for defence most times.

Think about it. If one other person trapped inside Norris Hall had a gun than there would have been a chance to prevent further death.

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they found the same shit in his dorms that they found after colombine and stuff.
diaries about how the rich and fortunate needed to suffer etc...

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Life isnt a film.

Dead is dead.


lol

yeah...

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Not everyone owns Microsoft Word......

you seem to be adept at pirating everything else?

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I could not have ever worded it more perfectly than you just did.

You think because you live in another country you are some how more knowledgeable than every other person in this country? As a what 17 year old you are probably the most stereotypical 17 year old that ever existed. (Problematic i'm obviously refering to)

Please in your infinite wisdom explain all the countries you have interacted amongst and how many countries your country boarders. Oh wait none? Thats what i thought.

Anyways.

Its not about being tough. Its about being around gun shots, its about having training and reacting. I'm not some tough guy. In fact you are so god damn quick to jump and attack me as "brain washed" or "some tough guy" when in reality the "tough guys" and "Brainwashed" regular everyday people i'm around usually dislike or do not understand me because i actually THINK.

Was it a "scary" situation? Yes. Am i completely uneffected by it? No, that would be a damn lie. I've thought non stop since it started happening what i could do or what i could have done to prevent the severity of what happened. Maybe its the service before self speaking, but there isn't a moment that goes by that i don't think about "what if i was armed and closer by, what coudl i have done." And in a way i will probably always live with that. I can already see how badly its going to eat me alive, and i know (logically) its not something to beat myself over, because what is and what happened is what happened, and that will never be changed. Its not about "gun on gun" violence as having the ability to right wrongs that are happening.

I've read quite a few first hand stories of what some of my fellow students did and at a minimum they did some extremely amazing things. They not only watched their professor get executed (straight to the face) but they were shot. After being shot they moved tables and held them against the door to prevent the shooter from coming back in the classroom. In my eyes that is an absolutely amazing action, and those who stepped over the "oh i'm shot i'm going to pass out" line should be commended.

But off my soap box. Its not about "OH I"M SO FUCKIN TUFF ERRR" its about actually giving a fuck whats going on around you.

This whole thing, its not funny, its not cute, 33 of my fucking fellow students are killed, and me being helpless to defend them definitely doesn't sit easy with me.

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CUNT!

Solaris is free. Windows is one of the only Operating Systems which cost money.

this wasnt a reference to solaris, just everything else you illegally download... lol

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Fucking +1 man on that....

I think everything was handle as best as it could be the kid was a loner/looney he did what he did no one could have stopped him...

Also i would like to add (not knowing the gun laws in virginia) you couldn't have been armed in SC at your age anyway. You have to be 21 to get a gun lis. and then you have to go and get another permit to conceal the weapon, so if it happened in SC there would have been nothing for anyone to do at our age. As PST said early most guys who tend to think "O i can do something here" end up dead...you cant bring a knife to a fucking gun fight. Alot of you guys bitching about gun laws and so forth is fucking ridiculous, AMERICA is way to big, way to over populated with firearms, and the black market is already saturated with firearms. Why make laws to ban arms, then you really want know who the hell has what. I know it least three friends of mine have unregistered firearms. They all three are under age, but have had a bad experience which led to them getting it. One of them got robbed late one night at a flood lion at gun point, the guy threatend to kill him and all his friends....

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First of all I'm drunk and I can't physically see half of the valid points on here. Second, I love America...my grandmother is from Maine..I have many relatives in the states, and I've visited countless states myself.

However, America has terrible gun control laws. Perhaps I can explain more tomorrow.

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I don't know if you guys can understand the valid point im about to make. Here it goes anyway. America is just way to big(Population, Land, and Borders) no matter what guns will always exist inside our border legal or illegal. The kid was a legal 23 year old who had a green card and was a legal resident of America. He got his gun legally he seemed to be physically and mentally fit to carry a hand gun. However, i think if the University would have commented on his mental state, since all this shit is pouring our like it always does afterwards(the hindsite shit is what they call it in physgology i belive), then maybe just maybe he would have never gotten his hands on it. Theres alot of information here that i would love to post buts its way way late and i gotta get to bed....some people who new the kid and saw on tv someone was shooting began "JOKING!" that it was him, unfucking beliviable...

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i see what you're saying about the U.S population being too big...it's like here in australia..if you really want a gun you'll be more than able to procure one from somewhere.....but from what i've heard and seen of america, it's a very gun-oriented, violence-oriented culture (i've heard that some banks give you free rifles on joining up!!!). if this sounds offensive, well i've never actually been to america but the media here especially loves to portray the US in a negative light...not that i believe anything the media says anymore, but it does colour your outlook on many things. it's interesting how all these sorts of attacks have been in schools or unis, had multiple deaths including the offender suiciding....i suppose this person just snapped. but its impossible to really say what goes through their minds with something like this.

Strict Gun Control would be more of a problem than a blessing. Lets look at it with strict gun laws. If you are planning on murdering someone, you obviously don't care about laws. So you will go on the black market and purchase a gun, even though they're illegal. Guns will exist, no matter what the law. Now all of the law abiding citizens wont have a gun, only the police and criminals will. So, the "bad guy" has the gun, and the "good people" don't. The guy starts shooting up people, and you have to wait for the police to get there. Perfect Example Virginia Tech. Waiting 5 minutes while somebody has a gun and is firing at you, means you end up dead. This society is taught to wait and rely on the police, which is not good. Concealed carry laws are a help to the society. When you get in a situation like that, A hostile person firing with a gun, and somebody can immediately return fire, the loss of life is greatly diminished. The only way that you could make gun laws work is if you could truly eliminate guns, which is impossible. I'm not saying make the United States back to the old west days, but concealed carry is a definite help. I'm not sure as to the gun laws in VA, but I'm sure you cant have them on any campus. But if you take an example of a large gathering of people, and concealed carry was legal, and a criminal started shooting people, fire could be returned immediately eliminating the situation. Or even as simple as being at a convenient store that is being robbed at gun point. If the clerk or another customer had a gun on them, they could end the situation right then and there.

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Not true, the only records i can find of that are words out of Michael moore's mouth. Which have already been proven too many times to be lies.

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Thank you for the view of your side of the big blue pond. I had no ideal Australia media pumped this kind of bullshit to the public. I'm glad you can see beyond it though. Most of America isn't that different from the way you live. It's the narrow minded, young, hillbilly cunts that live in Australia that gobble the media shit up.

I can tell you for a fact, no bank has given free rifles in the time I've been alive for starting an account. Maybe in the 1800's, but those were different times.

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Michael Moore didn't claim that you could get free rifles from a bank for signing up. He taped himself being given a free rifle for signing up. There's a slight difference, which some of you will hopefully appreciate. Pretending that he made it up and that it all comes from some claim of his is very difficult when there's footage of him being given a rifle by a bank - but I guess it's not really that difficult.

More original attacks have been much less successful. You get points for doing, not trying.

True, but do you think all these things are planned? Did this guy go out and get a gun so that he could do this, or was it a spur of the moment act, facilitated by the fact that he already had a gun?

I fail to understand why anyone thinks that the solution to gun crime is arming the population. I agree that premeditated murder cannot be stopped by gun control, but surely the reason so many people get shot in America is the result of rash descisions by people who have a gun in their pocket.

I cant find anything stating theres video, could you show me? Ill be happy to stand corrected. Even so if its true, its not like every single bank passes them out, that would be an incredibly freak incident.

I stand corrected, i found that. But still as i said, that is freak, its not the norm at all.

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Nope, but there are bundreds of dead meth heads though

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Besides, Eliminate guns, which is impossible, but hypothetically, then stabbings, would be the common form of death. It will just move down to more primitive ways of killing. Youre not going to get rid of your problems by getting rid of guns. New ones will arise.

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Yeah but you're not going to kill 30+ people with a knife that is for sure.

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an armed population, an armed faculty, a highly trained populous of effecient bad assery is what is need here.

if everyone knew karate and was armed to the teeth less people would die on a regular basis. here or on any other world.

just my personal philosophy.

the reason why this cannot happen is that there would be an arms race between the population and government, elements of large groups of the population turning on each other, corporations themselves becoming militarized.

so im not speaking from ideology here, things could get ugly, my believe is not absolutists here, i could be mistaken.

it may be worth it to allow more people<granted they are cleared to do so>to carry handguns at least.........or if people trend more for owning guns, even students and teachers.........these things could be more preventable.

i could be wrong.

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i'm just glad you didnt say "taekwondo and was armed to the teeth."
High kicks = n00b, unless you're Bruce Lee, in which case bullets can't hurt you due to your meridian-controlling chi powers......
also i'm pretty sure bruce could kill not only 30+ but 50+ people with a knife. It's all in the chi.
But anyway, the media down here is very biased. One paper loves Johnny Howard (evil garden gnome in my opinion! The eyebrows!!!), while another is all for the opposition.
consequently you rarely know whats actually happening.
plus the amount of people writing in to the paper with their right-wing nationalistic rubbish- "clearly muslims will stop at nothing to destroy our Aust. way of life, theyve proven this many times"blahblahblah etc etc generalising till we all turn blue in the face(among other such tripe). get some real knowledge about islamic culture, history and tradition before you go on like that. Take sufis, for example!! Sufis FTW!! Mysticism is a great obssession for me (except for that Osho guy. Over-hyped, over-sezed, over-cashed).
Back on topic- i do think the NRA is a bit on the insane side (and not in a good way either). They take it too far (some might accuse me of the same, i realise that!) IMO. Gun control is a minefield anyway. If you really want to kill someone you can do it. but ik myself have always had this morbid dread about firearms. i did shoot a sniper rifle once though. i was a bit of a crack shot at it too. Scary.....

tae kwon do, rex kwon do,tae-bo, tai-chi,extreme yoga,arm wrestling,purple nurples,wedgies,noogies,

every deadly art must be refined, every technique. everyone molded in a highly specialized warrior, every individual......a one man/women monster truck rally. think about a nation of chuck norris's, charlse bronson's, dirty harry's.

a man with the capacity of mass killing would be contending with a society that is trained to anticipate and nuetralize mass killings, shootouts, beatdowns, mob violence,metalcore breakdowns and give him a mouth full of blood, broken teeth and a few missing limbs for his efforts.


the sleeper has awoken...........

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Everyone in this thread seems to be some sort of superheroic encyclopaediac bullet proof genius mastermind with nerves of steel.

there is no simple solution. this guy obviously had these feelings building inside of him for some time. the road to where he wound up could've began early in his childhood. parents upbringing, interactions with other kids or adults..etc. also, as has been said, until the shooting..he was an upstanding citizen and there was no reason why he shouldn't have been allowed to legally purchase a gun.

as for gun control. i believe there should be a decent level of gun control. a total lack of regulation would be terrible here. banning guns obviously wouldn't work. look at prohibition.. also, in the uk citizens are not permitted to have guns (any of you from the uk feel free to correct me if i'm wrong here) but guess what? criminals there still can get guns. now there are criminals with a gun able to take advantage of citizens that just have no weapons other than knives or random objects around the house.

the simple fact that criminals would still be able to obtain guns makes banning guns a bad idea. most people don't want to ever have to use the gun..but you better fucking believe they'll be happy as a pig in shit that they have one if someone was to break into their home to steal things, rape them or their spouse or kids, etc.

i've never heard of the bank giving out rifles. if you say you (pst) have seen it in video...i'll believe it happened..but there are still major strings attached i'm sure. first of all..i have to wonder if moore pulled any strings or just put an overall spin on what actually was involved for his movie.

that is unheard of if you ask me or many others (at least that haven't seen whatever moore film its in), but second of all...you think they'd hand over a rifle to just anyone? you'd have to qualify first..ie meet and abide by all current state gun laws, and not have a criminal record. at least.

Lol @ Dune reference.

The video pertaining to Michael Moore is in his movie "Bowling with Columbine"..

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oh... ha i have seen that one but it was a while ago and i guess i don't remember all of it.

What state was he in?

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texas is my guess..

Fuck that, I shall defend my native country, Texas, by shooting you for trespassing.


And this is just plain cool...

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I can't really be fucked reading all of that, it's 3.11 am.

I have been to a lot of countries. You could look up my 'travel' thread.

I'm too tired to think. Proaz fucked when he was 6.

How could the NRA possibly be insane about ownership of a gun? I mean i'm not attempting to bash you to death or anything but this is another case of a person forming an opinion off little to no experience with the subject.

The NRA is an association set up around responsible ownership of weapons. The NRA isn't some thing advocating ownership of as many guns as possible and as much violence as can be. Things such as this raise alot of questions and anger towards firearms and the use of them when there is plenty of people who own and use firearms in a safe and responsible way. Infact there are so many people who own and handle firearms in a responsible manner that it drastically out weighs (as far as numbers) the amount who don't.

Also this was clearly fucking thought out, he filed (or somebody else) the serial numbers off the weapons. He probably could have and maybe bought the weapons legally, but it raises the question why the hell file the serial numbers off?

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Moore was in Michigan. He opened a $1000 CD account and was given a bolt action rifle. He tries to turn the incident into something it isn't, but the incident itself is quite genuine.

There's a strong possibility that he filed off the serial numbers because criminal characters in movies always do so when they intend to do something illegal with a gun. It doesn't make perfect sense, but people tend to imitate movie behavior in these nonsensical ways. Of course, it could just be that he got an illegal gun that already had its serial number filed off.

Unfortunately he doesn't just "try" but he does. Obviously those that know Michael Moore and the sly tactics he uses will be the best guarded against his propagandha but by producing his movies and his "word" getting out, he wins even if its not to the full perfect extent that he wants.

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He tries to turn it into the bank doing something dangerous to its own safety, while in reality this would be among the dumbest ways to get a weapon into a bank. So he doesn't; just tries.

Here are the profiles of the majority of the victims:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6564075.stm

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People need to learn to make sacrifices, and not just run either. Had people rushed the guy instead of running from him or jumping out a window, yeah a few might have been shot, but not 30. Even the jews and the Nazis. had they stood up for themselves that massacre wouldn't have happened. People need to learn to stand up for what they believe and make sacrifices. Id happily die if i know i could help save 30 of my fellow students.

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"It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. Take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have."

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I'd say you be more willing if you knew every one of those 30.

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Unforgiven!

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last night, i was thinking of how awesome it would've been to just tackle him from behind, and pin him down. everyone would say "MY HERO"
if i did that, im not sure i would kill him, myself. but im pretty sure id take his guns, and shoot his legs/feet.

Not necessarily true. If you have a Gunman, with the gun holstered, and someone yielding a knife, and they're within 20 feet of each other, the gunman is more likely to get killed than the person with the knife. So you could easily take out one person that has a gun with a knife, you could take out 30 people if no one had a gun, and you had a knife.

Speaking of knifes, the high school i just graduated from just had a copy cat of VT. He had a knife, and was pissed his girlfriend broke up with him and was threatening to kill everyone including himself. Thankfully he came to his senses and set the knife down. People are horrible.

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shreddist..thats all a bit idealistic really. you say you'd happily die if you knew you'd save 30 people. the thing about that is that you don't know what will happen if you try something. you most likely will wind up with at least one bullet in you. you could stop him...but thats a big if. its also easier to sit and plan what you would do while you aren't actually in the situation.

i'm sure there are plenty of people that were there and are now thinking.. "if only i'd have done this..or this.." while it was all going down, they weren't capable of such clear thought. imagine if he just flung open the door and shot the kid next to you in the face and you were suddenly spattered with blood, brains, and skull...you could instantly go into shock and just freeze. you might not even be able to duck and hide at that point.

i'd say about 99% of people would react in the same way as the students did. you and me included. your instincts kick in along with plenty of adrenaline and stress...and you go into survival mode...not rambo mode.

not many, if any, of us have looked down the barrel of a loaded gun being held by someone with an obvious mental disturbance. i can assure you, its quite different than thinking about it. also, in surroundings like that..there isn't much room for a sneak attack. i'm guessing it was a hallway with classrooms on either side. you'd have to wait for him to pass a door to the outside, door to a class room, or open window to try and sneak up behind him. otherwise you'd need a distraction to get him to turn around and then sneak up on him. i don't know about you..but i wouldn't care to be the one doing the distracting...not to mention i'd rather not try to disarm a madman while i had nothing but my books for class.

there were people that did some things that saved others though. i believe a teacher was shot and blocked off the door to the classroom with a bunch of crap so he couldn't get in. i'm sure there are other examples.

+1 again dude...

I get skittish even at the site of a gun, I've been in confrontations where a gun was merely threatened to be pulled out and honestly i backed down. I hear a lot of people go "O if a guy pulls a gun on me he better kill me", thats the dumbest shit. As gra said your self survival instincts kick in....Even if a lot of people would have attempted to jump the guy he could have killed most of them off.

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In agreement with Graf:

Do you really fucking think a "sane" or clear thinking person jumps out of a fucking 2 story window? Trust me my calculus class was (i think) a class right before the one that they jumped out of. There is no fucking way you're going to get me to jump out of that window unless i've totally lost my mind. Its tall as shit.

Also for everyone to just "rush the guy" like every single person who is never in any of these circumstances likes to say doesn't think about the collective concious between all the people needed to do this. To do something like that the "fight or flight" mentality can't even exist, which already proves that its not only impossible but extremely foolish to think that ANYBODY should be held up to the standards of rushing at somebody who has not one but 2 fucking pistols.

Yeah fucking right.

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lol football tuffguy shreddist

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Holy shit this guy spent time in the mental place in 2005? Now arises the question on how in hell he purchased this gun, considering he was actually a known nut case not only by his peers.

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I'm not being football tough guy. People are trained as sheep now, to comply. You comply and take advantage of the situation. 9-11 example, the flight that ended up crashing, because the people fought back. 9-11 was sad. a few guys with box cutters could hold off a whole plane with 30 times as many people as them. Id rather end up with a few bullets in me than my face and 30 others blown off. And your dead wrong to say that i have never been in a position like this. I find it odd how people dont feel the need to make a sacrifice to save 30+ others. Had 10 of them rushed him, id be surprised if 2 were dead.

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Arn't you the kid who needed help complying to finger his girl friend?!?!

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Haha, that was her problem, not a problem on my end. I <3 my l3gacy!

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Whoa! Sheep! Really? Brilliant!

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How the hell do you know that? Everyone died....did someone come back to life to testify?

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They have the blackbox recordings of them doing it.

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You are obviously reading something that i am not. Its not about not making a sacrifice, because last i checked not one person said that. And unless you somehow "prove" otherwise, there is no way you have ever been in a situation remotely similar to this.

People aren't "trained" as sheep NOW as if somehow in the past people were "trained" "differently."

And again your point is absolutely ludicrious. Please tell me how only two would have been killed,? He literally came inside the rooms and shot (with 2 pistols) classrooms of students sitting at desks. Completely and totally defenseless, pants down, fucking targets. To say that people had even a second of time to react that other than get down is naive and groundless. Imagine you are at school completely unaware of anything, thinking about how you got finals coming up when somebody pops through the door way, shoots your professor in the head and unveils nonstop gunfire that hits nearly EVERY SINGLE STUDENT in your class room. Then tell me when you go ballz out and kamikazi this person.

Seriously shreddist i would stop attempting to argue your points because its obvious you are failing to look at how any of the actual events panned out and you're making horribly formed opinions of what "you would have done" that are highly unrealistic and inconsistent with the way the real world works.

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I'm done fighting my point. And i have been in that situation. Google Chase Bank Robbery Columbus Ohio, it was in 2004. I have permanent nerve damage in my right leg from that day. Thanks bud.

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I searched and came up with nothing.

You're not hurting my feelings either. You're acting like a complete douchebag and an asshole.

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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archiv...7071vtech1.html

A play that our twisted little slaughter-pumpkin wrote. It's really bad. It's bad in a way that transcends normal crap, even internet-crap. Bear in mind, this retard was twenty-two when he wrote this.

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how have i made a single attempt to hurt your feelings? If "Thanks Bud" you feel was intended to hurt your feelings...? Im not happy that it happened, and i feel bad for you and your fellow class mates. I dont think you can say that im trying to hurt anyones feelings. If i was trying to hurt your feelings id be calling you a douchebag and asshole, did you get that backwards maby?

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Wow. This lame fuck was probably molested himself by the references in that horribly written play. He really exemplified his talent as an English major...

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Good god, got through two pages, horrible. Shame people like that ever lay feet on this earth.

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WTF?

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LOL... "Virgina Killer's VIOLENT Writings"? Please... more like butthurt byproducts of a drama queen (king?) that didn't deserve the gift of life.

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funny how the killer gets called 'korean' all the time when its an AMERICAN

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Shreddist: I'm not sure if it's true, but there were people who tried to stop him. And surprise surprise, they all died. I heard some guy was running around the school warning others. And some teacher was holding a door while his students got away from the windows. But I agree that only 2 could have died. Not that someone would have fought against him. But if they would have shut down the whole school right after the first shooting.

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This line made me laugh uncontrollably for 20 seconds:

"Are you always full of shit, McBeef?"

Shreddist, what happened to you during the bank robbery?

so did you get all gung ho and try to take the guy out?

well he was born and raised in s korea for 8 years. he was a legal resident in this country though. it may be different in holland/europe but thats pretty standard in america. referring to someone by their home country even if theyre a legal resident

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^ Yea. I hope this doesn't become some racist mess. But I'm sure there are a lot of people who are going to discriminate asians. Not just Koreans, because obviously people can't tell the difference.

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Also hes not a citizen either. Thats good enough reason not to call him an american.

And Shreddist: It was refering to your lack of respect of the people who were killed and got shot. You were completely down talking them as if they were all morons. You basically just said that nobody risked their self to prevent another from getting hurt, and had they not done what they did there probably would have been even more killed. I've read ata lest a few stories of people blocking the doors and holding him back, (one attempt which failed, apparently) and thats all the while having already been shot.

The whole point is there is no way you're ever going to lead somebody to a slaughter like attempting to rush somebody with 2 pistols. Imagine the intro to saving private ryan where they were trying to get out of the landing craft and the machine gun just cut through the entire boat. Thats how i would see it happening.

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That was hillarious.

Ok, in regards to my previous post. Well, that bit on it was actually not written by me. It was a quote, direct second hand information. And no, the person who wrote it was not 17, like me, so you're gonna comment on the maturity of this person.

And sorry again, it's 3.15am, and im utilizing my pathetic excuse again. Ok, well you have a personal attachment to this, and I dont, so obviously our views would be different. I'm not too fussed about this, it's all too common in America. I'm kinda pissed he gets so much attention now, he'd probably love it. Barstard.

Exactly. He got exactly what he wanted. They're really harping on "hating the rich" and so on. Definitely got his message across, again and again and again.

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i can tell the difference between korean, chinese (han chinese at least), and japanese pretty easily

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I think most could if they were around them enough. Korean is pretty damn easy to me. But i've been around koreans a big portion of my life.

I think chinese is the hardest for me to spot.
If anything i can definitely without a doubt distinguish the written languages apart. They are worlds different.

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well yeah, without getting too far into discussing asians, the langauges are blatantly obviously different both aurally and written

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I can definantly tell them apart. My school is easily about 60% asain, and i'm the only white guy in one of my math classes - the rest are asain.

I dunno, that's a fairly universal thing. lol.

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I'm appaled to always see comments when stuff like this happends commonly going like "they should have rushed the fucker".

It's easy to rationalise what one would have done, but I don't think anyone is in a rational set of mind when one has a gun pointed at his face.
Most people either run or freeze in their tracks.

Believe me, I've had it happen.

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I've had a gun pointed at me before too...I ran like all hell. I swear, the big black fucker with the gun had to be 300lbs.

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Yeah, it's easy to think about what could have been done, or what seems like a better idea if you're not involved. Stuff if SO much different when you come face to face with a problem. That point should definitely be considered in this case. The only thing that bugs me, though, is that whole mental illness report...

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Wow, this was pretty much heart breaking to look at. I was in jail when most of this thread was written but I just read the whole thing and I'm glad the people of this forum care enough to give this situation as much thought as they have.

TM: I'm glad you're ok, and I hope you and your classmates can get past this relatively quickly. None of us know how the fuck we'd react in such a situation, and there were definitely those that died trying to help others. The dead and survivors alike should be praised, not persecuted.

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Nice way to be a douchebag.

asia is giving the u.s. alot of shit so it has proably allready happend but i don't care my friend is korean and he is a complete retard so i guess only the middle east and the communists are a threat

are you 13?

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Go finger your ass, nigger.

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Ohhh ph3ar the communists! It's not 1950 son.

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Yeah, better notify Allen Dulles of this threat.

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I've not read the thread, but is anybody seriously surprised by this? Every 12-18 months there's one of these incidents. Time for a change to the constitution maybe? Afterall, the right to bear arms in the second amendment was introduced when the British were still trying to impose order on North American barbarians. We've since decided we don't want anything to do with your country so surely this "right" is outdated and and used as an excuse to shoot at bean cans by cretins like Charlton Heston.

I love the argument from the pro-gun lobby: if we'd armed the kids at college this wouldn't have happened. Jesus fucking Christ! How about not arming anybody! I know for a fact that that kid wouldn't have been able to get hold of that sort of weaponry here in the UK - an old world war two hand gun tops.

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