Do you think masks have any place in death or black metal?

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no

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Not really a big deal to me, so long as it doesn't take away from the music. But if I had a choice, no.

Masks in metal are gay. Use makeup like a real man.

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They could. But because part of being metal is crying about Slipknot, they probably won't.

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I agree with CTL, as long as it doesnt take away from the music.But I do think its childish and kinda pointless. Corpse paint is cooler if i had to choose between those two (corpse paint or a mask).

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Masks in metal are gay. Use makeup like a real man. [/QUOTE]


And here I thought that it was considered gay for men to wear makeup.

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If you put a real butchered pigs head on, it would be much cooler.

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I would only wear "corpse paint". I don't think maske belong in metal, for the most part.

...Twas but a wee joke. That was the point.

You'd have to give someone a concussion with it eventually though!! Have to show up that band that knocked the dude out with the sheep's head.

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Masks usually don't belong in metal, unless the artists are damn ugly, even by metal standards.

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It's fine if the image is an integral part of the music, and the music is strong.

eg. although not strictly metal, Gwar. The point of the band is that they're pretending to be scumdogs from space. The band members are supposed to be aliens.

In black metal, if you are/pretending to be some utlra grim evil spirit who likes creeping around forests, wanking on pine trees then fine, wear corpse paint.

But take slipknot or mudvayne, their image is not strongly related to their music, they're just trying to look strange/intimidating for the sake of it. The mudvayne guitarinst looks like a ladybird, but they don't have songs about tough ladybird men punching babies do they? (I could be wrong assuming that)

If the music is poor then the masks/paint look like a gimmick rather than a stage show tool.

Here's some quality black metal, that incorporates masks.
Imperial Crystalline Entombment

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Black Metal Sabbath.

+1
corpse paint!

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i think masks,makeup, jumpsuits, armor, or any other accessories are so incredibly fruity. especially when you consider the track record: kiss, slipknot, every power metal band to ever dress up like elves, every hair metal band to ever wear more rouge than a 20 dollar hooker, really cheesy black metal bands who dont realize how hilarious they look, and again for good measure kiss and slipknot. im just saying maybe if these guys spent less time concerning themsleves with how they look, their music might be a little bit better.

+1.

I really don't like a band with these lame gimmicks. I find it takes away from the music than anything else.

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time spent on looks could not possibly have any more of an impact, on a bands sound, than time spent online, drinking or sleeping. its pretty stupid when people say what you just said.

i completely disagree. if these guys paid as much attention to their songs as they do to what scary looking costume they'll be wearing tonight, im sure it would be beneficial. given that your name is time dragon i assume ive offended you with my power metal comment .

KISS has sucked since day one. With make-up they just took it up the suckmeter a notch. I think they just used make-up to cover their ethnicness looks. They should have used bags.

Freddie Mercury or David Bowie are the only ones that should/could get away with make-up.

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think about it. it doesnt take long at all to put on a fucking mask. your being stupid. a full costume takes 5 minutes, tops. and if they are thinking about what "they are going to be wearing tonight" that would mean that they already have the song set lined up, thus not having the slightest impact on the bands writing capabilities in the material.

you didnt offend me... i just think that what you said is dumb. ive never seen a power metal band wear a costume, mask, paint, or anything. so cut the trying-to-be-funny shit. i like power metal as much as i do melodic death metal.

alright time dragon, sheath your sword. its all good, im just busting your balls. you gotta look at the big picture here. makeup like kiss or mudvayne has gotta take at least a half an hour (unless they have a makeup guy, which would make this all the funnier), and if you look at some of these bands with full fledged costumes, that shits gotta take forever. look at lordi, battlelore (power metal by the by), or some of these black metal bands who wear spikes and armor and facepaint and occasionally carry weapons of a midevil nature. it just all seems so unnecessary to me.

i completely agree. a gimmick to draw attention away from the bands poor playing/songwriting. however i may be changing my tune when gene simmons brand toilet paper is all the rage of 2008.

its fine to say it seems unnecessary, thats not i said was stupid. i said it was stupid because you make it seem like the time mudvayne spends applying makeup before a show is going to change how they sound, or make them "better". there are some bands that i find very good that dont do anything extravagant with their image, and there are some i find very good that do. i dont dont like lordi or battlelore, and i doubt i would if sounded the same, only no longer took the time they chose to take dressing up.

no

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to me, the berzerker is the only exception

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It's not necessary, but it can add to the stage presence. If all your songs are about being a badass viking, going around R&Ping and burning peoples' houses down then it's logical to extend the theme into the visual show.
Same goes for power metal bands who do songs about slaying orcs with their beutifully crafted elven longbows.
The lord of the rings films would have been stupid if it was a bunch of guys in jeans cruising around in a land rover - the story is good, but the visuals add to the experience and whole atmosphere of the thing.
It can be done effectively, but it can make you look like a twat too.

youve got me there.

timedragon, i see your issue. i could have worded it better. what i meant was, if most of these bands were as concerned with mastering the intricacies of their given instrument and songwriting, as they are with their appearance, their music would benefit.

haha. very nicely put, and entertaining as well.

yeah, but it seems like to many people use that as a reason for them not liking the band.


ive said something similar to someone i met on here. he saw things a little different after i said it too.

I should do myself in face paint sometime, but I'd probably end up looking like a retro Dee Snyder with my hair.

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i like more than a few bands that get into all that shit..and i really don't care. i would say it adds to the theme for music videos and what not..but i could care less one way or the other at a live show. maybe if they had some very elaborate stage show. most of the bands i see don't though..just get up and play and talk between songs.

if i was to start a band..i wouldn't wear anything other than what i normally wear.

I dunno kiss had a couple ok songs. Probably their more popular ones.

Although from what i've heard they're live show is probably what has made them so popular.

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Who cares.

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MAYHEM!!!

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actually i believe that was gorgoroth

and anyways the guy from behemoth has an uber gay haircut and makeup job

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LOL @ the badmouthing at Kiss.

Kiss has sold millions and millions of albums and played in front of millions.

LOL $$$ Indeed.

so money doesn't warrant badmouthing?? KISS fuckin sucks......end of story.

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Just because you don't like them doesn't make a band suck... For instance, I hate Cannibal Corpse, a band quite a few people here hold highly, but that doesn't make them suck.

And basstendencies, you're missing the point that so many have already tried telling you: the bands don't need to worry about their image because it only takes a few minutes to figure out what they want (plus the fact that they wear the same shit every time doesn't exactly put any thought into it). If the band sucks and is composed so sub-par songwriters, it's going to suck whether they wear makeup or not. You could be a master of your instrument and still suck at making up songs (look at Dragonforce).

http://www.passzio.hu/kepek/kiss/8/dynasty.jpg

rebuttal?

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Wait?! People's opinions don't dictate reality for the whole world?!

What the fuck, 4d5e6f?!

Next you'll tell me that I breathe oxygen!! Fucking nut.

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Sexy .


What's your problem?

For me, Portal as well.

Oh yeah...I don't like face paint...but Doyle, ex-Misfits was always totally hot.

http://www.rebelreviewer.com/graphi...0-%20Doyle1.JPG

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Which fucking one? There's like 8.


Haha yep, all most definantly have makeup guys/girls. I've seen that Mudvayne singer with a very intricate tribal (?) design, which would've taken ages.

LOL @ fatdanny's Ladybird comment.

Hmm, Mayhem frequently use pig heads as props, I don't know whether he's ever worn it (Maniac I think is the current singer), but there was that scandal when he threw the pig head out to the crowd and injured someone... was it a broken jaw? I can't remember.

The one I showed you. They dress in business suits, but they have black bags over their heads with nooses around their necks, and the lead singer has a massive hat the covers up his face and goes over his neck and rests on his shoulders.

Berzerker don't wear masks anymore.

Masks, corpse paint, armour, costumes, waste of time.

Fair nuff. Can't find a picture of this homosexual big hat.

+ 1.

Lol. <3 u.

Damn, I was envisioning a baseball cap.

loooooooooooooooooooooool

Maybe, perhaps, they liked Homer's Make-up shotgun invention and found a way to make it work?

... why do I remember that?

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homey, you had it set on "whore".

i really dont see how that makes kiss any less ridiculous, millions of people bought pet rocks in the 70's as well.other notables who've sold millions; ricky martin, huey lewis and the news, vanilla ice, i dont need to go on with this do i? the fact remains that if kiss could write songs or even play their instruments they wouldnt be the laughing stock that they are today, gene simmons in particular. the only noteworthy thing these guys ever contributed was a slick marketing campaign. sorry if ive offended anyone in the kiss army, but to me they are the lowest of the low, i'd rather listen to rod stewart.

well said.

a great example is this new boxset they've got out. comes in various versions, each with a different bonus dvd. and them ridiculous fans are more than willing to sweep their accounts again for these billionaires

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Now there is someone who should wear a mask! His face is Helen Keller reading material!

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I know you're into punk so wouldn't, spiked jackets, mohawks, spiked hair, and everything else with the punk scene also a waste of time for a band to do?

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close..but i think thats a little different. punks just wear that shit all the time..granted i definitely think there are a lot of bands who try to make their image look more punk. its just that with these metal bands..pretty much none of them wear armor or face paint on a daily basis.

Actually since I know most of the oldies that Rod's done on his later albums since my mom has them and I grew up hearing them, I like those better than his rock songs. He does quite a nice job on the "old folks" songs. I think "Mandolin Wind" was about the only old rock song he did I liked. Too much overplay on the radio for the others.

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i wear corpsepaint to my job, im a salesman








JKzzzz loosen up guyth

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I understand that point, but that was slightly not the point i was making.
Even if that is the case, i've been to enough punk shows to know

that it adds to the show if they look the part. So.. if they just showed up wearing regular clothes like holister or whatever. (i'm not saying in suits or raggedy clothes) but just regular clothes and regular hair that you often see, its not nearly going to add the same effect to the show that the current way does.

I see it being the same thing. These bands are, for one, all about putting on a good show, and if somebody doens't appreciate a solid live show(not to mention often dressing up and all that is fairly original) then well i think they shouldn't be worrying about the looks and instead worry purely based on cd music.

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Who do you represent? Avon?

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Avon gothic division.

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Could you imagine someone going door to door in some snazzy suit wearing corpsepaint?

*sparks idea for picture*

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i guess you havnt seen mercyful fate's singer. i dont know shit about them really, but i have a vid. called "the uninvited guest". a dude with corpse paint and what i would call a suit. dont like the vocals though.

umm...that would be King fucking Diamond. I'm sure you've at least heard that name before...

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100% correct, which is why 90% of my 'punk' songs are anti punk subculture, and also why I think that mohawk in your avatar is fucking stupid.

Thats nice.

So your music is "hate-ish" music then? Hence why the "punks" will never "unite."

Just too much hate in the scene and everybodys minds.

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Punks uniting is an oxymoron

Good band. hah.

Btw. Would you piercing your lip (like you have) be nearly the same thing as say a mohawk? I mean seriously, if one must bash the "punk-subculture" for things such as physical apperances wouldn't that make you hypocritical?

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No. But you forget one major point, I clearly can and will do whatever the fuck I want with complete disregard for anyone or anything because I care less for whatever the fuck you think.

I pierced my lip because I wanted to, not to fulfill some image criteria to be accepted or deemed cool.

Thats right because EVERYBODY who has a mohawk is out to be cool and care what others think of them, right?

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Wrong. I don't know what point you're trying to make, but if it's because I said your mohawk is fucking gay, then no, I don't dislike it for those reasons, I dislike it because it looks fucking retarded.

I'm thoroughly enjoying this.

Fooled me.







If thats not what you meant, you made a poor case of saying what you meant.

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Next time you see an emo kid or goth pay out someone with a side fringe, I want you to remember what you just posted.

1 - You have a mohawk
2 - punks have mohawks
3 - a majority of punks have mohawks to fit punk criteria
4 - you have a punk listening past
5 - if you do maths its easy to assume your motives.
6 - i fail to see your point about my piercing.

I'm really sick of the punk scene. That's why I've also so much more so enjoyed bands that didn't follow these trends such as DK, Bad Religion, etc.

Seriously, not having a bath in two weeks shouldn't be respected. Looking like a homeless cunt shouldn't be respected. Wearing leopard print and flannel pajama pants isn't cool. It's hilarious when some of these fuckers have a myspace...nothing says PUNK RAWK like a myspace account.

Kinda hating what I used to be apart of...but even back then I didn't dress and act like I was fucking homeless. I knew my roots, and they were in upper-middle class suburbia! Just some "punks" take things way too fucking far with their bad beer choices, dyed hair/fucked up haircuts, piercings, bad tattoos, etc.

PUNK IS NOT DEAD. LOLZ.

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1. No i don't
2. Not at all. (not all punks have mohawks by anymeans, and not all people with mohawks are or would consider themselves punk)

3. No, There are plenty of other hairstyles that people have. To say >50%(majority) is just you pulling stats out of your ass. If you have said people have mohawks to give the idea, or to "represent" they are not apart of mainstream culture then i would agree. And again how would that be remotely incorrect?

4. There is no "past" i listen and play punkrock every single day, again whats your point. How is this negative?

5. Whats my motives? I like punk music/ideals? You are different how again?

6. My point was that if you bash something such as a mohawk and basically claim you don't like the "punk scene" as a result of that and similar things, then it appears to hypocritical for you to say that yet you have something that punks often have, not to mention "hardcore kids" "emo kids" "goth kids" and everybody else you probably bash. So.. it appears to be completely self defeating.

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lol dude when you take it past 2 paragraphs i begin to not care. i win.

I dunno i guess i'm at odds with you on this. I can kinda "see" your point. But i don't. This punk scene isn't new. Why didn't it make you sick before? I mean ... would you rather it change? I mean hell i dunno, i'm jut asking.

Actually.. myspace is a great "punk rawk" tool if you want to call it that. It helps spread messages whcih is the purpose of alot of punk. Especially to those who want to listen or wouldn't mind to.

Who honestly thinks people celebrate those who don't take showers? That seems a little, ridiculous even to say that haha. Not saying people don't look up to and "celebrate" those who... are seemingly grungy.

But couldn't you say that about the ENTIRE "grunge" fads that come in and out, hell lets just go ahead and say alot of the "bad boy" look that people have.

But then again you're kinda right. Punk music definately can brainwash those who are easily "confused" and moldable. I would say those who are like that eventually get molded into other things and move on and were never really serious in the first place. Just like with any genre.

A question for you relating to this topic. Couldn't one say nearly ALL of this about the "metal scene" as well? Looking up to people and "celebrating" those who have long hair, long beards, wearing gauntlets and sometimes spikes and all that, isn't that quite the same thing? I dunno.

Edit: Btw i've staretd playing some Exploited on drums (kinda forgot about them) and punks not dead is a fairly fun song too play. word up.

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So which is it? You care.... you don't care.. you begin to care?
Its obvious you care, because if you didn't care about what i think you wouldn't have responded to a single post i've made, and or read any of them.

Saying or attempting to make the "arguement" that you don't care on a forum is purely trite.

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call it trite then. i still win.

Yes, it can be the same thing. I just find a lot of punkerz myspace's consist of pictures of them downing beer, looking drunk, and then writing blogs about how much they drank.

However, this to can be said about Metalheads as well. Some get into it for the image, some the music, some for both reasons..same with punk. I guess it's all up to the individual on how they take to this. I know very down to earth metalheads, and I know the complete 180 degree opposite..the immature goon trouble makers that give us a bad name...as I'm sure many of you know as well.

Anyways, point being masks are gay.

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You don't win this one!!!! haha

Most definately agree with you.
You got the ."oh i love satan, metal should be only evil and brootal and talking about killing and blah blah blah." Also you (refering to the myspace thing) got those mother fuckers that used to come into highschool, actally fuck that you still know them after school that always talk about what crazy go nuts drugs they've done and they act like they're so uber cool.

Granted i think this can be commonly associated with beer drinking and going up to friends and being like "damn i got blitzed this weekend" but.. call me biased but i feel there is a slight difference.

The only thing further i can say about the "myspace" thing is hell you could say that about nearly every single perosn on myspace hahaha. The Emo people, the emo haters, the hardcore kids, the hardcore haters, the regular people who post about how much they got shit faced at the party last weekend.

Theres alot that could be said here, but it seems... to just go in a circle.

In closing i think that its really up to the individual person, and really who can honestly say concretely that one way is better than another without just relying on pure personal opinion and only personal opinion. Who says that wearing metal tshirts, growing long hair, enjoying music about killing people and claiming that vikings and everything that is medieval owns, is any better than wearing spiked leather jackets, dying your hair, listening to bolstering music, and saying that they love to drink 40s and hang out, is any different?

There is nothing "better." It just is.

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no shit. i got awful tired of the neverending social mores of the punk scene. its funny, for people who dont care about they way they look some of these kids put an awful lot of effort into to their outfits and hair. i still love alot of "punk" music (against me!'s "crime" is still unquestionably my favorite album), but like everything else, people have ruined it.

Ruined it? Theres nothing that has changed really hah. How has it been "ruined?" I don't even really know any new "punk" bands.

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Maybe how the genre is just beat to death? Metal has so many sub-genres, yet punk is pretty fucking limited in at aspect.

Viking Punk. LOZ.

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i'd say its become more accessible for the mainstream crowd. i know there will always be punk bands that have little to no appeal to most people..but over the last 5 or 6 years or so..i've seen a lot more pop bands emerging with all these "punk accessories" that most would say are not a punk band. yea, theres alway s been some of that..its a good thing to market towards the youth..and they know it.

i still listen to punk music..but not as much...and i haven't been to a punk show in a while..the last few weren't that great..though i did go to an awesome one a couple years ago in a small bar.

like pretty much everything..the longer its around..the more it gets distorted..and the more people get involved..the more annoyances and assholes show up.




haha viking punk is a new one..but if you ask people about sub genres of punk..there are quite a few as well. and those sub genres probably make the same amount of sense in punk from the eyes of a metalhead, as the sub genres of metal do in the eyes of a punk.

i just mean that the ideals behind the punk asthetic are great on paper, but once people get involved it gets turned into this elitist bullshit scene we see today. i remember kids from high school who didnt want me to play in their band because i didnt have the uniform on (bullet belts, spikes, $120 bondage pants, heh, "im poor but ive got 100 bucks to blow on a pair of pants"). funnily enough those kids are playing in the same band, wearing the same uniform, and they still suck at their instruments. ive got nothing against punk or punks, i just think the scene police are insane. theres nothing worse than a douchbage with conviction, and the punk movement is creating them at an alarming rate.

Yeah, I know what you are talking about. There just seems to be many more requirements to "fit in" with punk than a lot more so than Metal.

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thats what always kinda got me about the whole thing..its punk to do what you want and do those things for your reasons..so it would be not punk to conform to what everyone is doing...yet thats pretty much exactly what happens, just on a smaller scale. people will do random things or wear weird shit or whatever..then everyone else sees them and thinks either "weird..cool..punk" or "weird..stupid..fag" or something like that. its like that in every scene really..its just that the punk scene prides itself on being free thinking, unique, etc. so its that much worse when you see that its not as different from other things as you had thought or hoped.

the problem is that people are people..doesn't matter if they are punks, christians, astronauts, or metalheads.

Most definately. I know what you mean by elistist. But it seems everybody wants to do with damn near everything. It seems ... just in my eyes a little unfair to specifically peg punk music and its genres for this when it occurs everywhere.

Hell it occurs on this forum every single day in ways.

Trust em i know the irony in alot of... punk clothing and all that. (100 dollar pants and all that) but i don't think its about being poor, or about wearing a "uniform." Its probably just as much as a uniform in ways as wearing regular clothing. And i really do mean even the shit i wear today. I just wear my band tshirts, blue jeans, and my skate shoes. Maybe thats.. the normal uniform.

Oh and BassB. There are alot of different type of punk genres, not to mention theres alot of bands that blend them together which makes it intresting.

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If your gonna wear masks or anything in bands. At least do it in a good or comical way. Like 5p frankenstein masks from the corner shop at halloween.

If you saw a band wearing those i'm sure you'd laugh.

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definitely, or like the mummies did it, now there was a group on the cutting edge of fashion.