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Old 2007-03-21, 19:38
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personally i think they look pretty cool. in person they look a little nicer i guess, or at least the species or subspecies i saw. they weren't as big as some i've seen..but they were pretty fuzzy looking..almost cuddly. not something i'd want to cuddle with though...they can give a nasty bite!

yea, its not a good idea to leave them in there while the spider is molting. their fangs aren't of use until they have hardened up, so the cricket really has a good shot at fucking up the spider. its rare..but its not unheard of. the spiders are really fragile while right after a molt and don't move much or do much of anything...a cricket could just come up and start nibbling away at the soft cuticle.

in regards to between now and two days...it could be that fast, it could take longer..its hard for me to say without having seen it for myself. (even then i could be wrong.) but i wouldn't hold your breath... i have a Brachypelma albopilosum that is a little bit smaller than your vagans, and this albo has had a very dark abdomen for over a week and i was hoping it would've molted last weekend or just anytime now..but she was still sitting there when i left to come back here when my lunch break was over.

if the spider is still eating, even if it is not as actively going after its prey..you might still have some time till a molt. once it stops eating all together, its definitely about to molt in the next few days or so.

basically i think there is so much going on inside of the spider right before a molt, that it isn't really concerned with food intake. also they shed their sucking stomach with their molts, so at a certain stage of premolt, they might not even be able to eat. i have to get back to reading these two books i have..should be able to learn a bit more of the details.
 
Old 2007-03-21, 22:49
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as many times before, i was completely wrong
the vagans is busy chewing the cricket and seems happy (i never noticed it was so small untill i got the much bigger seemani), it probably will molt within two weeks since the abdomen is pretty large. the seemani is very busy exploring its tank, haha
 
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I watched a show over Galapagos and there any many unique species of reptiles which are only located on the chain of islands. Including Marine Iguanas. The biggest ad more dominant males can actually swim many feet to the bottom of the ocean and use their powerful claws to hold a grasp to the rocks and eat the sea weeds and mosses located at the bottom. Correct me if im wrong, but the time they can stay under water is 15 minutes and the time they can stay in the water is 30 minutes. They is pretty fascinating to me. I also learned about the Galapagos tortoise, lava lizard and a few more. If you haven't seen it yet, try and look for that show it was awesome.
 
Old 2007-03-22, 02:44
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as many times before, i was completely wrong
the vagans is busy chewing the cricket and seems happy (i never noticed it was so small untill i got the much bigger seemani), it probably will molt within two weeks since the abdomen is pretty large. the seemani is very busy exploring its tank, haha


hah its ok..i am wrong many times about upcoming molts. i thought my seemani was in premolt a couple times because she wasn't eating and was lethargic...nope..just random tarantula behavior. you mention it should molt within a certain time period due to its large abdomen, but i must tell you that the size of the abdomen can't indicate a molt. the only things a large abdomen can tell you is that either its been very well fed, or its a gravid (pregnant) female. symptoms of molting are lack of activity, not eating, a general darkening of the spider..particularly noticeable in the bald spots on the abdomens of new world spiders, laying down webbing on the ground (a "molt mat" as hobbyists call it), or webbing off the entrance to their burrow/hide. there could be others, but thats all i know of or can think of right now at least.


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I watched a show over Galapagos and there any many unique species of reptiles which are only located on the chain of islands. Including Marine Iguanas. The biggest ad more dominant males can actually swim many feet to the bottom of the ocean and use their powerful claws to hold a grasp to the rocks and eat the sea weeds and mosses located at the bottom. Correct me if im wrong, but the time they can stay under water is 15 minutes and the time they can stay in the water is 30 minutes. They is pretty fascinating to me. I also learned about the Galapagos tortoise, lava lizard and a few more. If you haven't seen it yet, try and look for that show it was awesome.


don't know much about any of it..but i do know there are quite a few species there that aren't present anywhere else. was the video you watched a nova production? or pbs or something?
 
Old 2007-03-22, 02:50
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don't know much about any of it..but i do know there are quite a few species there that aren't present anywhere else. was the video you watched a nova production? or pbs or something?


It came on National Geographic, does that help.
 
Old 2007-03-22, 04:36
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well it wasn't anything in particular..was just wondering so i'd know what to search for..so yes, it helps. i just know where i can find a number of nova videos on a torrent site.

well i was talking about my Brachypelma albopilosum in premolt earlier and sure enough..shes on her back.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_0631s.jpg

shitty thing is that i need to go to sleep soon...though its just now starting to twitch as i speak...looks like i might hate myself in the morning!
 
Old 2007-03-23, 03:38
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so i stayed up to watch and took a bunch of pictures. hated myself this morning, but it was worth it. heres a sequence of pics.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_0642s.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_0644s.jpg

front view
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_0651s.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_0654s.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_0669s.jpg

kinda close up.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_0674s.jpg

front view.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_0701s.jpg

almost almost there.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_0749s.jpg

almost there.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_0761s.jpg

all the way out.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_0785s.jpg

didn't waste any time cleaning its fangs
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_0802s.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_0804s.jpg

close up
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_0822s.jpg

close up
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c.../IMG_0822s2.jpg

flipped back to right side up
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_0842s.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_0866s.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_0873s.jpg

a few random photos
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_0594s.jpg
B. emilia

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_0602s.jpg
P. pederseni

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_0612s.jpg
P. murinus and pal.
 
Old 2007-03-23, 11:03
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awesome pics of the molt! How long did it take eventually?

Im out for the weekend, so i'm hoping for a little surprise when i get back home
 
Old 2007-03-23, 13:45
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i guess from start to finish, it was about an hour and a half.. not completely sure..i know i was shooting for going to bed at midnight (but might've been a little late on that) and i wound up going to sleep after 2 in the morning.
 
Old 2007-03-23, 14:33
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oh not so bad at all, thats about my regular time to go to sleep

I found out even we dutchies have a big spiecies of spider, Atypus affinis, or mine-spider. I never saw or even heard of it before though. It's jaws are ridiculously large
 
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i usually try to get into bed around midnight or else i don't feel as rested when i wake up before 9.

i'm not familiar with that spider..but i googled it to take a look and i guess the more common name is purse web spider because of the web tunnel/tube thing it makes.
http://www.naturguide.dk/images/spi...p_giftkroge.jpg
nice big fangs indeed!
 
Old 2007-03-23, 16:59
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I have been thinking about purchasing a rose-haired tarantula from Fish & Friends. (a local petshop) Do you have any helpful tips that I could use? Thanks.
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Old 2007-03-23, 17:47
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"chilean rose hair" tarantulas (Grammostola rosea) are possibly the easiest ones to care for. i'm assuming its an adult if you are buying it at a pet store..i would just get something like a 5 gallon tank, or even a similar sized tupperware container/plastic shoe box thing. just make sure it has a secure lid, you'd be surprised at what they can squeeze through. poke some air holes in there unless its a glass tank, just get a screened lid or something. put in bone dry substrate..coconut fiber, peat moss, potting soil (organic and without any pesticides or other chemicals) are the common ones. i have one on sand because thats how it was when i got her (tank and all). so far i haven't had any problems with the sand, but people in the hobby shy away from it for spiders.

put in a hide of some sort..could even be a piece of pvc pipe..the spider doesn't have the capacity to give a shit what it is..as long as its dark and big enough for them to fit inside. avoid things like paper towel rolls though..if they do get moisture on them, they could start to mold up.

you don't need a heat lamp or heat pad..the lamp is definitely not needed because they hate light..but as long as your house is at usual temps, they should be fine without any additional heat. other than that, put a little water dish in there..you could even use something like a cap from a big gatorade bottle or something. just make sure its not a cap to something potentially dangerous to the spider.

feed her about once a week. they can go months without eating, so don't worry if she won't take food for a while. if her abdomen starts to shrink, or looks shriveled up, then its time to worry. clean up whatever food remains you can find as they could lead to mites...particularly in conjunction with moisture. thats pretty much it.

if the spider is on its back, its not dead..its just going to molt (shed its skin), if the spider has its legs curled up underneath its body..then its either dead, or just about dead.

one thing about that species though is that they are fairly stationary. not that spiders in general are extremely active..but i have 2 adult females and one moves a little bit every so often and the other spends 95% of her time hiding is this rock cave i made for her. there are other species with the same care needs that are a little better looking, larger/smaller, and likely a bit more active..though a happy tarantula is one thats not constantly moving around. if its moving around all the time...its not happy where it is and is trying to find a secure place to call home. G. rosea is still an awesome species though..and they look really nice after a molt and are generally docile. if you have any other questions as you go, post them and i'll do my best to answer them. i should stop now before i write a book.
 
Old 2007-03-25, 05:44
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Thanks man, great advice. I just got done taking care of an oscar for 9 years and they are a lot of work. So I'm looking for an easier pet to take care of.
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Old 2007-03-25, 12:41
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thanks to my four day weekend i was able to watch one of my tarantulas molt. i've been waiting for this one to start showing off its adult coloration..i think i might have to wait for one more molt before that happens. luckily this one seems to be growing at a decent rate. anyway, the spider is Xenesthis sp. "white" http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/sho...3&postcount=159 thats a picture of an adult.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1003s.jpg
laying on its back when i came home.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1015s.jpg
starting to emerge.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1018s.jpg
close up

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1023s.jpg
new fangs almost showing. you can see a couple of its eyes thanks to the flash.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1036s.jpg
fangs and first segments of the legs out.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1058s.jpg
put a flashlight behind the spider to make the new legs inside of the old legs visible.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1061s.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1068s.jpg
just the rest of the legs to go and a different angle.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1074s.jpg
one leg looked like it was caught..but got out after a couple minutes.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1080s.jpg
tarsal claws on same leg got caught on part of the molt, so i gently removed the molt so it could move its leg freely. they lay on their backs for a bit and stretch their legs out and do other things before their exoskeleton hardens.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1089s.jpg
one of those other things is rubbing each fang with the "pads" on their feet. the "pads" are called scopula and are a bunch of hairs. i think they are hollow and have a slight bit of moisture that aids in them sticking to things. each hair adds to the surface tension of each "pad" i've also read an article about some web secreting organs on the feet as well. not sure if that is something just found on one species or what..

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1101s.jpg
laid on its back like this for a little bit..

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1139s.jpg
close up

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1173s.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1181s.jpg
finally upright.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...MG_1178crop.jpg
leg spines.

one of my corn snakes was watching the whole thing with me..
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...s/IMG_1110s.jpg

and then he got a drink..but took a round about way of getting to the water bowl. looks like he wanted to sneak up on it or something hha.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...s/IMG_1134s.jpg

took my male Brachypelma vagans outside the other day to take some pictures using the sun for light.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_0955s.jpg

he didn't like the breeze and retreated to his burrow.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_0970s.jpg

also took some pics of random spiders in my yard. i don't really know any ids..but the last one is an Argriope.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...n/IMG_0982s.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...n/IMG_0992s.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...MG_0995crop.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...n/IMG_0998s.jpg
 
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cool pic man, especially the one with the flashlight.


my vagans still isnt molting and isnt eating, there's a cricket in its tank for almost a week now. The seemani finaly took her burrow after nights of wandering around. She even escaped once! I came back after the weekend and found her tank empy, scared the shit out of me, then after some searching i found her sitting up against the wall, hahaha.
 
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the vagans finally ate yesterday, and guess what? it molted the same evening! Spiders are damn mysterious from time to time .

Anyway, it molted in her burrow so i never saw a bit of it and the molt came out pretty wrapped up, but it's cool it finally happened
 
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Good series of pictures there. Even the spiders you get in your yard are pretty interesting looking. Don't get many at all round here. I'm pretty sure there's a spider living in my bathroom, but I haven't seen it for about a month now and this week I had two small spiders run out of a box at work. Exciting stuff!!
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yea, they are some shifty bastards. vagans are generally bottomless pits, but a tell tale sign of a molt is when they stop eating. thats weird it ate right before a molt...but you never know what they are going to do sometimes. did it eat the whole thing? sometimes they'll pounce and kill them but just leave them. i think they do that just to make sure it doesn't fuck with them while they are molting. not really sure though. were you able to spread the molt out to try and figure out what sex it is? its tough and sometimes annoying..just mist it with some water (some use other solutions..i forget what exactly) and be gentle because their molt/shed skin/exuvium will break easily..the softer abdomen will tear pretty easily as well.

right before i left for the weekend, i was doing some last minute watering and noticed my adult female Psalmopoeus irminia had molted. i didn't even realize she was in premolt. i haven't been able to get any pictures of her yet, but i'll be sure to whenever i catch her taking a stroll. i also have a mature male that is ready to go once shes hardened up and had plenty of food.

any post molt pics of the vagans ?

yea, florida has a wealth of spiders. the weather here is ideal for a lot of species. i saw a nice looking wolf spider up at my friends house this weekend. they live up in the northern half of the state and to the west..thats a pretty big area as far as spiders, scorpions, and snakes go. anyway...i checked out the spider for a minute..went to get my camera....when i came back with it, the spider decided to freak out and ran off behind their mirror.
 
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the molt was pretty much fucked up and useless. its a shame cause now i have to wait again

it turned out quite a bit larger, but it starts to look like a male though, the abdoman is pretty small in comparison to the two other females i have. when are they up for mating, after their last molt? how many times do they molt before they become adults?
 
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the molt was pretty much fucked up and useless. its a shame cause now i have to wait again

it turned out quite a bit larger, but it starts to look like a male though, the abdoman is pretty small in comparison to the two other females i have. when are they up for mating, after their last molt? how many times do they molt before they become adults?



that sucks..i hate when they get all torn up. their abdomens are always smaller after a molt. just let it harden up again (fangs should be black) and it will be eating left and right again. i think i posted this before, but this is a great read on how to sex them without looking at the inside of a molt. http://www.birdspiders.com/faq_sex.html

another thing (thought not 100% accurate) is that the males start to appear a bit more leggy than the females. the females look more bulky with a larger body. the males..at least mature ones, will have a smaller body with longer legs. you'll be able to tell when a male vagans is mature though. like most species of spiders, they will have hooks on their front set of legs. on the third segment of the leg if you count from the foot. also, you'll notice a change in the appearance with their palps. at the ends of each will appear to be a small round segment and on the "retrolateral" (the back side, i think thats the right term..) there will be a bulb on each palp. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...090789Small.jpg theres a pic of a mature male i found on this spider forum i post at.

as long as your female is as large or slightly larger than him, she should be ready to go. an important thing to consider (if you want to have the mating work out in the end) is when the last time the female molted. if it was not too long ago then it shouldn't be a problem. if she is likely going to molt soon, she will shed her spermathecae (those things you are looking for in a shed skin to verify that its a female) and the sperm will be lost before she got to use it.

even if that does happen, its very exciting to see them interact and will a highlight of your time in the hobby so far. just have a piece of cardboard or a cup ready to seperate them if it looks like shes trying to make a meal out of him...but don't feel bad if you don't react fast enough. she can get him really quickly and theres just not much we can do about it. oh, and watch your hands if you are sticking them in there to get between them. feed them both a bit more than normal before pairing them.
 
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someone made and posted this video on a couple other forums i frequent, figured people that actually look at this thread might like it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ih-1PzgUSHc

maybe i'm a spider nerd, but the timing and the music cracks me up.

i've never kept any trapdoor spiders before. i hear people complaining enough about some of their tarantulas being pet holes (ie Haplopelma, Citharischius, and others) ..and this must be even worse. though its pretty cool they flip up the lid and fly out like that to grab prey and close the door all in a second or less. if you look really really closely, you can see the spider close the lid after it grabs the cricket.
 
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so graf; i thought i'd feed my regalis a nice little mouse so i went and bought one (approx 3 centimeters). It's not a pinky but a real mouse.

I put it in the tank yesterdayevening and there was this little showdown but mouse was faster. Just got back from work and the spider seems frightened, it hasnt been out all day and the mouse is redecorating the tank (digging holes etc). I hope the spider goes out and slays it tonight because SHES A GODDAMN ADULT FEMALE WITH THE POWER TO KILL OLD AND SICK PEOPLE!!!

So whats your view on this, if it wont get eaten tonight im removing it because it shits all over the place
 
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You should've recorded a video. That would've been fun to watch.
 
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feeding verts to inverts is a heated debate at times. i know in the uk, it is illegal. on the other hand, she shouldn't have much trouble taking it down. leave the mouse in for about a day and if she hasn't gotten it..perhaps she is afraid of it, or isn't hungry. i've tried to feed a pinky to some of my adults after one of my snakes refused to eat. one of them was very interested in the mouse, but didn't eat it. she stood right over it so she wouldn't even have to move to get the mouse..just bite and its right there. she didn't bite it though and eventually left it alone. i tried another spider (this one was a bit picky about what it ate before (she wouldn't eat roaches) and wanted nothing to do with it..a third spider attacked the mouse and just left it bleeding. i wound up just putting the mouse out of its misery and tossed it in the trash.

i haven't tried feeding them a mouse since..but i'm sure some of the ones i have now would probably eat it.

maybe your spider just doesn't like mice. some are picky eaters..but if she was without food for a while, she might eat the mouse. i just wouldn't starve her so she does.

edit...also remember...a mouse can kill a spider! 3 cm isn't very big..but there is always a chance that something bad can happen. its rare, but shit happens...and that is enough to make plenty of people not want to even chance it.
 
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nice! i have no experience with reptile breeding or caring for eggs. i've dealt with a little of both with spiders though, so i can imagine you must've been pretty happy to discover those eggs.
 
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well chris can field this one better than i can..but as far as i understand. they wrap their tails around eachother and line up their cloacas (slits on their ventral side towards the end of their tail) the male has these two "lobes" i guess you could call them. (hemipenes is their real name) and they go into the female and deposit the sperm.

that is one way to sex a snake too..you can apply pressure on either side of the cloaca and if the two hemipenes pop out, its a male. it seems this isn't everyones favorite technique though since you can harm the snake if you don't know what you are doing. so far all of my snakes are unsexed since i don't feel like doing that..and i really don't feel like probing them. i wouldn't even know what to look/feel for if i did.
 
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it never worked out between the spider and the mouse. After 2 days the mouse was looking really tired and dull so my housemate bought a cage and now it'll spend the rest of its days as a pet
 
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...831522280822839

i didn't make the video though. feeding a mouse that big to a spider of that size is a bad idea. yea..the spider won..but you never know. if the mouse was able to get a good bite on the spiders abdomen..its very likely the spider would bleed to death. they can stop a small wound..but they're blood (hemolymph) doesn't clot as well as out blood.

theres other videos here and there as well..but that was the first one i could think of.
 
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well chris can field this one better than i can..but as far as i understand. they wrap their tails around eachother and line up their cloacas (slits on their ventral side towards the end of their tail) the male has these two "lobes" i guess you could call them. (hemipenes is their real name) and they go into the female and deposit the sperm.

that is one way to sex a snake too..you can apply pressure on either side of the cloaca and if the two hemipenes pop out, its a male. it seems this isn't everyones favorite technique though since you can harm the snake if you don't know what you are doing. so far all of my snakes are unsexed since i don't feel like doing that..and i really don't feel like probing them. i wouldn't even know what to look/feel for if i did.


That's an accurate, if simplified, description. It certainly describes what little of the action I pay attention to, anyway. Males usually have to appease the females first- unlike mammals, where forced mating is extremely common, most other animals the feeling has to be mutual. The male generally nudges her gently with his snout, and in some species there is biting involved (some like it rough, I guess!). If she accepts him, the description more or less goes as you said.

Some species have male combat over female mates. Some have orgiastic breeding cycles known as 'mating balls' (anacondas, well documented). There's a lot of variation with snakes. The amazing amount of variations among snakes is really what makes them most interesting to me. You won't find another group of animals as diverse as snakes.

As for sexing, squeezing the base of the tail to pop the hemipenes out isn't something I would encourage, but generally, neither is probing, at least on small or young snakes. Probing of young snakes can damage their organs to the point where breeding isn't possible, and if that occurs, what's the point of sexing to begin with?
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random unidentified male spider

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...n/IMG_1368s.jpg

i think its a member of the family Lycosidae (wolf spiders) but i'm not 100% sure. i'd bet money on it being a member of that family though.
 
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i didn't make the video though. feeding a mouse that big to a spider of that size is a bad idea. yea..the spider won..but you never know. if the mouse was able to get a good bite on the spiders abdomen..its very likely the spider would bleed to death. they can stop a small wound..but they're blood (hemolymph) doesn't clot as well as out blood.

theres other videos here and there as well..but that was the first one i could think of.


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random pics i recently took.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1429s.jpg
Grammostola rosea mature male washing down a cricket with some tasty filtered water.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1440s.jpg
Psalmopoeus cambridgei (my favorite species) mature male also. hah he was just sitting there and i threw in the cricket...the cricket got a drink for a bit..but it wasn't long until it moved and the spider pounced. one of these weekends i'm planning on either just temporarily pairing him with my female..or cohabing them. i'm worried about the cohabitation because i was told from the person i bought the female from that she is a mean bitch. his time is limited though..

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1310s.jpg
Xenesthis sp. "white" just sitting around a week or so after a molt. another molt and the carapace (head like area) will be showing adult coloration which should look very nice.

random non tarantula spiders..not sure of any of the species

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...n/IMG_1368s.jpg
mature male i found on my ceiling. caught it, gave it some water, and released it outside.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...n/IMG_1505s.jpg
found this one out in the backyard while doing some grilling...i think its a huntsman baby/juvenile but i'm not sure.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...n/IMG_1570s.jpg
also outside that same night...no clue what it is though.
 
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get them to try out having a small amount of something new. i know from forums that there are a lot of people in canada that keep inverts. you guys can even have some things..well at least one, that we can't keep here in the us.

http://images.google.com/images?q=p...m=1&sa=N&tab=wi

some in the us have even been raided for having these things.
 
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I would love to have some Invertebrates, and/or reptiles at my work. But the companies "ethics" say other wise.

The store is known for "animals rights" like "we dont support puppy/kitten mills".

"No cold blooded animals", because MOST people dont know how to take care of them, and we dont want to endanger them by supplying them to uneducated people.

we have a SPCA rescue/adoption center for cats, were we keep 8-10 SPCA cats at all time in our store in a room set up for them to live, and were people can try to adopt cats through the SPCA.

So, the animals we have are:
Mice (no feeders, we need a permit for them), Rats, Hamsters, Dwarf Hamsters, Gerbils, Chinchillas, and we are trying to get hedgehogs but NS provincial Rules says we need a permit for that as well.

We have birds, but they are LAAAAME.

For fish: We have your regular gold fish, salt water fish (nothing special just clown fish and all the "flashy" fish), and tropical fish. We do get piranhas in, but very rarely, Cichlids (same as a piranhas or oscars) we get alot of, they are FUCKING AWESOME, and small sharks like bala sharks.

Alot of people come into my work and ask for lizards and all that. but we only carry the supplies. I get a few bearded dragon breeders in that get like 75 crickets from us (8 cents a pop, but after so many we cut them a deal). I tried seeing if them would sell me one but, they have a fair list of people waiting for babies.

PS sorry it took me a while to reply, i dont get a chance to really get online for a long period of time.
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ahh...well thats cool at least you guys are aware of the issues instead of just not carrying reptiles and such for no reason.

do "pet" mice cost more than a feeder would? my guess is yes.. but i can't say i've seen many for sale down here other than for feeders.

yea, birds are pretty damn annoying. i do like those african gray parrots though..smart little bastards! expensive as hell though if i recall correctly.

fish are cool..that is actually how i got into spiders. was going to set up my first salt water tank and before long, i decided it was too much work and money. so i had an empty aquarium and decided to find something else to put in it. not sure why i didn't think of reptiles before arachnids..but i got hooked on the idea of getting a tarantula. did a bunch of reading then broke down and bought one at a local pet store. then (like many other types of small, enclosed pets) i felt like an addict and my collection grew. eventually i got into scorpions and centipedes, then finally snakes.

actually have to decide which ones are the next to go though...downsizing the collection before i have to move since i won't be able to keep them. got rid of some of the ones i was more impartial to...now i have to choose from the ones i wanted to keep still.
 
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hmm, this thread should be on page two

anyway, to get back at you graf, my vagans is doing great. She just molted and is fairly larger. She eats like crazy, i bet i could feed her a cricket a day.

the seemani stopped eating, i mean the cricket could walk over her and she'd do nothing. I'm hoping on a molt, but the bald spot on her abdomen hasnt changed colour.

the regalis then, she's up for sale. She's a beauty but i wouldnt mind if someone came over and gave me a hundred bucks for it. And i HATE those large grasshoppers; they are nasty. Oh and she stopped eating as well! I thought she was an adult but she might have one molt left. two grasshoppers died in her tank, out of starvation.

and that about sums it up. now its your turn (pics please )
 
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cool...yea vagans are known gluttons. she'll probably eat a couple crickets a day haha. you don't want them to get too fat though.

don't worry too much about the others not eating. tarantulas are weird sometimes and will randomly decide to not eat from time to time. some species..notably G. rosea, will go for months without eating. the time to worry is when the abdomen is noticeably smaller or shriveled looking. just make sure they have access to some water.

my crew has been doing alright. have downsized some, but still have 14 tarantulas, 1 scorpion, and 3 snakes.

had a few molts recently.

Avicularia versicolor ..still unsexed..the old exoskeleton was a little torn so i wasn't able to get any good pictures to zoom in on. i'd say its about 1.75" to 2" in legspan now
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1696s.jpg

Psalmopoeus cambridgei female. she's possibly my largest spider..the shed skin was about 5" in legspan. unfortunately she is a real pet hole and i don't see her much. i haven't been able to take any pictures of her yet. but here is a picture of her shed skin.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1687s.jpg
her spermathecae (this is what you look for to see if it's a female.)
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...MG_1677crop.jpg

took some pictures of this girl..Psalmopoeus irminia. she molted not too long ago...these were the first pics i've taken of her since.

creeping out of her hole
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1708s.jpg

all the way out
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1721s.jpg

close up
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1725s.jpg

"extreme close up! wwwwaaaaahhh!"
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1722s.jpg

close up of on her legs
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1727s.jpg

she was really chill while i stuck my lens in her face...i was just waiting for her to try and bolt or attack the camera haha. one of these days i might even try to nudge her out onto my hand..though i'd feel more comfortable doing that out in the open so i would be able to catch her if she got loose.

heres a video someone posted on this arachnid forum of trying to handle his P. cambridgei
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well i prefer snakes than spider.

What do you give for feed your spiders?

And i wonder what happen when you take a little spider in your room, and put her in the terrarium of your biggest spider....do they play together!!?
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....i cant see it..i just cant

I want a snakes, but i dont want to feed him with mice...i love animals exept those fucking spiders...yes there are some beautiful, but i hate them lollll
when i saw a spider in my room i dont kill it but....i hate them

hey xgrafcorex...do you know a snake i can have without feed him with a ouse
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bob - i mostly feed my spiders crickets. i gut load them with cricket food so that all the nutrients they eat get absorbed by my spiders. sometimes to mix up their diet, i give them roaches or mealworms. i've even offeered them some pinkie mice that my snakes refused.

as for putting a smaller spider in with a larger spider...if the small one is too small..the larger one will ignore it as a non threat. if it is large enough...the tarantula will eat it for food. even females ready to mate will eat male suitors if she is pissy and wants food. they are cannibalistic and anti social creatures.

snakes..i'm not sure...they will eat lizards and mice mostly...unless they are really hungry, they will probably ignore most other critters...though i guess anything within that same size range could possibly become food if they are hungry enough. i just don't recommend starving your snakes. they love mice...and if you aren't comfortable with that...either snakes aren't for you...or you can just buy frozen already dead mice/rats. just toss the frozen ones into a zip loc bag to thaw them out. then put them in with the snake.

i really can't say i know of a snake that will live and grow off of a diet lacking rodents or other similar sized critters. chris rezendes might be able to help you out more in that area though..he knows more about reptiles than i do.
 
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Oh thanks for the tips!

But i heard that sometimes, the snake won't eat a frozen mice. I mean, we can't just give frozen mice...that's what i heard.

Damn, i really loves snake i fucking want one, the only thing stop me, it's to feed him with mice...im not a wuss but...i love mice too! lolll

but do you think i can feed him only with frozen mice?
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i haven't ever used frozen mice, but many people ONLY use them. the snake will eat them eventually. some snakes are more picky than others though. just make sure to thaw the frozen food. put it it an sealed plastic bag so that it doesn't get all soggy. let it sit in some room temperature water and when it is thawed out..just place it in the snakes cage. be careful though..snakes can smell their food coming and will be able to smell on your hands even if you aren't holding it. lots of people get bit because their hands are in there and smell like food. put the food in, and wash your hands. i've had a snake lunge at my arm because i was putting food in there once and the snake was pretty close to me...it just could smell food and lunged towards warmth...ie my arm with blood flowing. they have decent sight..but they also smell and feel with their tongues and try and figure out where their prey is.

one thing you should think about too is if you feed your snake in its cage.

after a while, the snake could come to associate the opening of it's lid to feeding time and become slightly aggressive. another problem with feeding in the cage is that if you have any kind of subtrate(i use aspen shavings) the snake can accidentally swallow the subtrate and have it become impacted. aka the snake can't digest it and it starts a buildup in it's digestive tract which can eventually block the flow of food and kill the snake. i usually remove my snakes all together to a feeding tank, or if i'm in a hurry, i put the mice in a decent sized plastic cup so the snake has to climb in to get the food.
 
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ok, so i should accustomed him with frozen mice since he is baby, and dont feed him in the cage (this is what i understand).

nice, i appreciate your tips! thank you
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that mouse was quite the tight rope walker at first. honestly though, that one was a bit large...i don't think i'd have chanced feeding it to my spider.


no problem bob. if you get a snake, i'm sure chris or i would be able to answer whatever you needed to know.
 
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took advantage of catching a couple snakes sitting around while it was dark and quiet in my room. the corn snake (gray one) didn't care and is still chilling where it was..but the king snake is a bit more skittish and took off after a few pictures.

king snake..there is some crap i didn't notice on the glass...looks like some text that rubbed off onto the glass..perhaps from the packaging or when it was shipped there was some newspaper pressed against it or something.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...s/IMG_1805s.jpg

corn snake
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...s/IMG_1813s.jpg
closer
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...s/IMG_1816s.jpg
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Your corn snake is very beautiful!!

I want this kind of snake or a Python...a little one!!!
Snakes looks fucking gentle and peaceful
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get a ball python then. http://images.google.com/images?q=b...images&ct=title

they get about as long as a corn snake as an adult...just a bit thicker. corn snakes are still cool though, and great beginner snakes.

each snake has its own personality though. ball pythons and corn snakes are more often than not pretty calm..but even one of my corn snakes has a big attitude. it shakes its tail (to mimic a rattlesnake i guess) and has bit me several times. it doesn't hurt when they are small, but i've never been bitten by an adult. if you handle them frequently, they will usually calm down and get used to you. just don't handle their food then stick your hand in there. they will smell food and try to eat your hand haha.
 
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No i mean, not large like big snakes!, tiny but long!

Yeah, I heard that hamster hurts more than snakes when they bite.

I know a guy who have a totally white snake with blue eyes...he is very beautiful! I heard that snake is very rare
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get them to try out having a small amount of something new. i know from forums that there are a lot of people in canada that keep inverts. you guys can even have some things..well at least one, that we can't keep here in the us.

http://images.google.com/images?q=p...m=1&sa=N&tab=wi

some in the us have even been raided for having these things.


Why are those illegal in the US?
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bob - oh..you said a snake like that (corn snake) "or a python, a small one" so i figured that a ball python would be a good choice.

corn snakes would probably be your best bet though. some are mean, but most of them will calm down if you handle them regularly. one of my two corn snakes has never tried to bite anyone. the other, always tries to bite...until you have it out of it's tank..then it generally calms down.

yea albino snakes are somewhat sought after. some look pretty cool...i'd only want one it if it was pure white..if there is some pattern showing, i'd rather just have the pattern show in full color.

darko - i think the USDA APHIS division is worried that they will spread and have a negative impact on the ecosystems here. as far as i know, none of them are native to north america. i did find this on another forum. http://www.aphis.usda.gov/lpa/pubs/...hclassroom.html you can get a permit to have them but you need the permit to have or move them anywhere. not sure if you can have the permit just to have one for a pet...you might need to be using them for something (ie education, science)

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/plant_hea.../ppqform526.pdf here is a pdf of the permit you must complete. you may have to pay some fee as well, though i don't know..i've never looked into it, nor have i looked into buying any of them. i've never seen any of them for sale here in the states, but i have read about people getting their bugs seized and destroyed.

http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=80952 that is the thread i found the links in..a little more info in the thread from people discussing.
 
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Yeah, I think I will go on that (corn snake). And I will handle him since i get him so, he will be accustomed to my odour. If I got the money for! I know it's costly.

Here in Canada, I dont think there are any laws to illegalize a pet, except extreme pet like, alligators, monkey (not extreme though) and others like that. But I dont think any snakes is illegal here.

And maybe one day, I will try a Dragon barbus! I love reptile <3
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i don't know about prices in canada...but my first corn snake was 50 bucks, and the second one was only 25 bucks..and they were both from a pet store so you could probably find someone selling one for even less. there are probably laws about certain snakes..mainly venomous ones. here in florida (at least), you have to have so many hours of logged training with someone that has a venomous snake keeping license, then you have to pay a fee to apply for your license. after that you have to pay a fee each year..not sure what else.

up until recently, i never even really keeping any venomous snakes..but there are some that i found out about lately that make me want to get my permit.
http://www.kingsnake.com/atheris/ the genus Atheris has some awesome looking snakes!

http://www.kingsnake.com/atheris/photos/WOA-ZTcer4.jpg

http://www.kingsnake.com/atheris/photos/WOA-EEhis6.jpg

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SO...BEAUTIFUL !!! really...beautiful

Is he deadly?

50 bucks..damn man...here a tiny little skake is about 140 to 240 bucks, reptile here are very costly. Yeah i know for venomous reptile you need a permit here but except this fact, there is nothing. Anyway, who want a deadly snake, i mean, exclude herpetopagist, who will get a snake that you can't touch! loll

btw, Where he comes from? (the Atheris)
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not deadly really, though i think there has been one or two deaths from a bite from one species from the Atheris genus. there is no known anti venom

they are from africa. "bush viper" is their common name.

hah i'd like to have one..even without touching it. just to watch it..though i've read they are fairly inactive. just sit around, eat and shit. before finding out about that genus, i had never really considered getting a permit for venomous snakes...but once i figure out where i'm living for a good while..i'll be looking into getting the necessary training.
 
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I've had a soft spot for the Atheris complex for many years. So many beautiful, interesting, and bizarre species. Venom is relatively mild, but few fatal bites have been recorded for several species. One shouldn't be very interested in them as pet species, most are protected by law and shouldn't be kept because they are illegally harvested from the wild.

I also have of soft spot for the Causus group. Not sure why.

As far as ophidian diet, the vast majority of snakes eat either small mammals or reptiles primarily, usually both. It's important to note that most snakes are generalist feeders and eat a variety of different critters. If you've ever seen a list of species consumed by a Lampropeltis getula or Agkistrodon piscivorous, you'd be amazed.

Others specialize in a certain prey group- some eat only a certain type of slug, or only eat bird eggs, some only eat centipedes, some only eat spiders, and some only eat other snakes. Some (e.g. Stilosoma) even narrow it down to one species they specifically prey on. There's a whole lot of variation. That's what makes snakes so fascinating.
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yea, Atheris are awesome snakes. went to you tube, searched bush viper and came up with a few videos..mostly feeding videos. those things have some pretty decent striking ranges considering how small they are.

i have no intentions of getting a venomous snake anytime soon..and i mean by at least a number of years. a few reasons for that. one, i've only been keeping snakes for under 2 years now..and two, i'm moving at the end of july and not sure when the next time i'll be living somewhere that i could keep a snake...let alone a venomous one. could be close to a year before i'm in my own place. in the meantime, i plan on doing a lot of reading and hopefully even meet up with some experienced keepers and get a little hands on training.

in the end..i would definitely look for a CB specimen..i don't like the whole wild caught thing either. same thing happens with tarantulas..or any wild animals really. certain tarantulas are now one the CITES list thanks to overzealous collectors. luckily, the hobby seems to be growing and so is captive breeding. hopefully one day, these hobbies will be able to sustain themselves without the need of taking animals from their natural habitats.

as for the protected by law aspect...that only pertains to certain species of Atheris? i'm assuming so, since i've seen some for sale down here in florida on kingsnake.com, and also videos of some in captivity. (though that could've been the result of some special license i couldn't get without being part of some organization or something.)

a couple of those videos...the first one isn't too long, but the second one is almost 10 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGRee5Yx-Jk

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shit man, i dont want a snake that behaving like that! he is fucking mad!!!

I hope this guy didnt' have been bite, anyway, this snake does not have poison anymore to have bite so many times!
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yea, it's not a good idea to get a snake like that without lots of experience and training. i'm nowhere near ready for something like that. and they are definitely not the kind of snakes you want to take out and hold.

not sure what you mean about no venom left? because he tried to bite the guy so many times? i don't think the snake would inject any, or much venom without making contact with something. even sometimes when they do bite, they might not inject any venom. it isn't safe to assume they won't, but it happens sometimes.

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ooh like, drybites?

Between, can you show me some beautiful ones (snakes in all kind) or those you suggest me when i will get experience in snakes?

maaan i frigging love snakes, last time i took one, i was like a little kid in a toys r'us. He was so cute and he looked at me like: i love you too bro!
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exactly! dry bites...spiders can give you dry bites too...scorpions can give dry stings, probably all venomous animals can. various reasons...maybe they just injected a LOT of venom into its last meal or just wants to scare you into backing off but doesn't feel like wasting its venom...or even just random luck. it's tough to tell why.

chris rezendes can show you more snakes than i can..but the ones i know of that look good and aren't crazy hard to care for are:

king snakes...i'm posting all different color forms/morphs
http://zoology.unh.edu/faculty/litv...rimer/sking.jpg
http://www.boatips.com/images/king%20snake.jpg
http://www.socorro.k12.nm.us/sa/zoo...tinesnakes1.jpg
http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~zakizak...e/striped_s.jpg
http://www.undergroundreptiles.com/...0Cal%20King.JPG

corn snakes
http://www.corn-utopia.com/Corn%20U...-%20CAPTION.jpg
http://www.corn-utopia.com/Corn%20U...swer%20shot.jpg (those are all corn snakes..just babies)

chondros (tree pythons)
http://www.boas-pythons.pl/ava/Chondro.Sorong3.jpg
http://www.reptiledesign.com/images...ro_closeup3.jpg
http://www.bio.davidson.edu/people/...trs/chondro.jpg
http://www.stetson.edu/~pmay/herps/chondro%201.jpg
http://www.dhakaimportexport.com/pi...ndro_Python.jpg

amazon tree boas
http://www.freewebs.com/amazontreeboas/a19.jpg
http://www.freewebs.com/amazontreeb...ed%20banded.jpg
http://www.freewebs.com/amazontreeb...%20Homepage.jpg
http://www.freewebs.com/amazontreeboas/a14.jpg

garter snakes have some nice colors too some have the red bits here and there...i've seen some that have a blue color there.
http://64.246.185.20/images/garter_snake_c.jpg

vine snakes look really cool too
http://static.flickr.com/80/241235251_1267ed1b25_o.jpg
http://www.ski.org/Vision/Eyepage/I...vine_snakeB.jpg

there are a LOT of different snakes...plenty that i don't even know about.

many of the venomous ones look really cool too, but don't make the best captive animals for obvious reasons.
 
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woow man...they are soooo beautiful, the first boa is creep, the black one!

1,2 and 5th king snakes are beautiful

And chondros are the most beautiful of them!!

The first kingsnake looks like a Corail snake, they are venomous apparently

I want a green chondros
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yea, king snakes look really cool. the one i have is like that 5th one. the difference between the king snake that looks like the coral snake and an actual coral snake is the arrangement of the colors. "red on yellow, kill a fellow; red on black venom lack" or "If red touches yellow, you're a dead fellow; if red touches black, you're alright, Jack" and "Red and black is a friend of Jack". are some versions of the quote to tell the difference.

chondros rule! those are the snakes that first got me into the idea of having a snake. they aren't the best first snakes though...more of an intermediate snake. they need humidity and aren't the most friendly..but aren't nearly the most defensive either.
 
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as for the protected by law aspect...that only pertains to certain species of Atheris? i'm assuming so, since i've seen some for sale down here in florida on kingsnake.com, and also videos of some in captivity. (though that could've been the result of some special license i couldn't get without being part of some organization or something.)

a couple of those videos...the first one isn't too long, but the second one is almost 10 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGRee5Yx-Jk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucA4__7ExiQ


Yeah, I meant to edit that to be more specific before I posted. There are two species (A. chloroechis and A. ceratophora) that are more common than others, although captive breeding of those two species still hasn't really taken off yet, meaning most specimens are collected from the wild, which is bad. As far as legal protection, there is a lot more than just CITES regulation out there. Many countries (e.g. Australia) outright ban any deportation or importation of animals (and plants, I believe) from their country to avoid the depletion of their species or the introduction of invasive species. Despite this, we see various Morelia for sale much more commonly than we would see Atheris, not to mention Aspidites, Anteresia, etc.

As far as the snakes Xgraf mentioned, kingsnakes are great. They are mostly captive bred, good tempered, voracious feeders, attractive colors, and everything a snake keeper would look for in a pet. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, stay the fuck away from tree boas and pythons. They are not good snakes for someone still learning. They are usually mean, require special humidity and cage requirements, and are a tad messy as a result of their arboreal habits. They also have very long fangs for catching birds that hurt considerably more than most snake bites.
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ooh dont worry, i wont have those before gaining experience, for now, im just a snakes lover, and i think im not ready to have anyone, i should learn more before
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yea, australia is pretty strict about their wildlife. actually just recently...within a year ago...this guy in australia named steve nunn put in a lot of time and effort and is now legally able to export australian tarantulas. fortunately, steve is a very knowledgeable guy and cares for the animals. all of the spiders he exports have been captive bred in australia. otherwise i don't think they'd be too keen on letting him do that.

would be cool to see more efforts like that. i'm in no rush to buy a venomous snake at all..so hopefully if or when i decide to take actual steps towards getting one, there will be more captive bred Atheris.

do you think there are better beginner hots than Atheris? like a copperhead or something? i like the other venomous snakes that i know of..but none of them really strike me as something i'd really like to keep. i guess part of it is that they don't get very big. the rest of it is that they are fucking awesome looking snakes.


bob - yea, if i were you, i'd get a book on keeping snakes...decide what you'd like...i'd go with a corn or king, and then learn about them as well as general snake care. always best to know as much as you can about an animal before going and getting one. a lot of people make that mistake, then wind up doing something wrong which could be bad for the animal. its not hard though, so don't worry about that.

did some feeding today and took a few pictures while i was at it.

my female Grammostola aureostriata decided she wanted to take a walk when i opened up the lid of her home, so i figured it was a good time to let her crawl around on me. she still has a lot of growing to do. right now i'd say she's about 3 or 3.5" in legspan..when she is full grown, she should be more like 6 or possibly even 7 inches.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1819s.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1824s.jpg
it's always easy to pick them up when you let them crawl onto you..but it is much harder to get them to crawl back into their home.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1821s.jpg
close up
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1826s.jpg

little Chromatopelma cyaneopubescens...unsexed..but has a lot of growing to do. when it is full grown, it will have blue legs, a green carapace (segment with the eye cluster), and an completely orange abdomen.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...e/IMG_1842s.jpg

juvi female Brachypelma albopilosum
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oooh ewwww, i cant stand tarantula....i will stay with snakes
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hahah they aren't so bad. a lot of them are very gentle and really have a bad reputation.
 
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well, the way they looks, give them a really bad reputation.....cant they look more beautiful...eewww IMO NO!...but, i have seen some more beautiful: they were electric blue....they look nice, but i wont have any!
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I agree with you, they are beautiful, compare to those we have here...

The singer from Augury, have one electric blue, im not sure if it was like the ones you showed me (the pics was in white and black) He loves spiders! He was teaching our class and he showed us pictures of his spiders!!!
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oh man, that last one looks killer! you own one of those if im right?


the vagans has gone bezerk, she really is bottemless concerning crickets. The other two are having a hunger strike and also stay sheltered the entire time.
 
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yep, i have an adult or almost mature adult female like of that species. a favorite among hobbyists and for good reason.

any recent pics of the vagans? i sold my male a couple months ago thinking he had one molt left till he was mature, but the guy just told me it molted again and isn't mature yet. oh well..
 
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Wow, some of those look awesome. How much does a species like P. Nigricolor go for?
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wasn't sure off the top of my head, but i searched a couple of the bigger dealers and one didn't have that particular species, but the other Pamphos they had were 65 bucks for spiders between 1.5" and 2".

another site had nigricolor at $75 for 1.5" and $105 for 2.75". those two sites are pretty good as far as prices go too..i usually buy from the second one.

the site that i got the picture from doesn't have the price for that species listed because they are sold out ha. the other species from that genus are 65 and 70 bucks for about 1.5-2". not the cheapest tarantulas..but then again there are some that are quite a bit more expensive.

if you look around enough, you can sometimes find someone selling their own from their personal collection..and that is where you find the best deals.



someone posted this video and thought you guys might like it. pretty short..but its of someone messing with their Pterinochilus murinus (usambara baboon is the common name).
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they are fast as hell...just wish the camera angle would've been better when it bolts. i was waiting for it to run up the forceps and onto that persons hand ! watch at the 15 second mark..that is one quick strike!
 
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i dont like spiders but, i think if i have one, it will be a Poecilateria Metallica. I heard this spider isn't for begginner and the venom is toxic for us, not deadly but, toxic and makes you feel very bad. This spider (metallica) and others i had seen with very nice color like, pink metallic/black and other blue ones
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yea, the genus Poecilotheria (including metallica) is supposed to have more significant venom than other spiders...and they can be very fast if they decide they want to run. not the best beginner tarantula. it would help to get an easier to care for species...but if you got one that was really small and cared for it as it grew...assuming you use common sense, which i think you would, then you'd get used to it as it grew and would be able to care for it fine. there is a bit of hype to them that exceeds how bad they really are i think.

one main consideration that makes them bad for beginners though..especially if you buy them at a very young age/small size...they are pretty damn expensive here in NA. they are getting cheaper thanks to captive breeding, but they are still very expensive...so it wouldn't be a good first spider in case you didn't care for it correctly and it died.

the cheapest i've seen them (even at a small size) is just under 200 USD. Avicularia versicolor is a great t, not too hard for beginners and is very blue when young. this is mine
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http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c...s/IMG_6689s.jpg

i posted a pic of the adults in that previous post...they look a lot different, but still arguably one of the most attractive tarantulas out there.

the first tarantula i had was of the same genus, just a different species.
 
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I killed a Copper head snake in my parents driveway yesterday; and yes I know my snakes. At first I was all about letting it go but the little fucker wanted to bite my car door 798 times so I backed up and slowly drove forward until my front driver side wheel stopped on top of it. Once I heard it pop open I grinded the wheels.

The fucker is bird food now.

Take that snake lovers
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I killed a Copper head snake in my parents driveway yesterday; and yes I know my snakes. At first I was all about letting it go but the little fucker wanted to bite my car door 798 times so I backed up and slowly drove forward until my front driver side wheel stopped on top of it. Once I heard it pop open I grinded the wheels.

The fucker is bird food now.

Take that snake lovers



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ahh soul you suck! why was it trying to bite your car door? they normally don't bite cars..


bob - http://www.tarantulacanada.ca/ this guy really knows his stuff and is a good guy. well him and his wife/girlfriend (martin and amanda). i knew of another dealer in canada, but it seems their website isn't up anymore.
 
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400$ a poecilotheria...fuck off loll anyway, my girlfriend will kill me if i have one!!!!

I will stay with snakes, do you know a stockbreeder with a website...just to have a good idea of the prices (i dont trust pet shops)
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hah yea that is a lot, but that is a fairly uncommonly kept species and is very sought after. that is still a bit steep though. down here since people are having success with captive breeding, they are down to about 200 bucks..i think that is the cheapest i've seen that species available for.

honestly, i'm not too sure about snake dealers in canada, if you were to ask that guy, i'm sure he knows a dealer or at least knows someone that knows a dealer. also you can check out www.kingsnake.com and go to the classifies. or click businesses and go to canadian businesses.

http://www.prehistoricpets.com/ this is one in the classifieds. if you are looking for a corn or king, click colubrids.

http://www.x-tremeexotics.piczo.com/?cr=7&rfm=y this one seems to have a decent selection too. most of the other sites seem to just have boas and pythons.
 
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hum they have a nice selections! Im seeking for a pale green snakes, or like your kingsnake...no yellow...i hate yellow!
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Old 2007-06-11, 23:33
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theres no green corns or kings that i know of...i've heard of a tiny bit of green showing up on some corn snake before..but it was VERY faint..was some snow color morph that had extremely subtle colors..could've been not green but just appeared that way because of how light it was.

there are striped corn snakes too. judging by what i saw on sale at those websites, your selection might be kind of limited. i suggest buying a book on general snake care, and also one on the particular species you decide on. read up, then buy the snake.
 
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http://www.undergroundreptiles.com/...0Cal%20King.JPG

I want this one or a normal python like you see in pet shops.
Yes i will read a lot before get one, it's not like have a dog or a cat
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