i was reading about this so, here's a question:

what's your take on the increasing double-standart in today's society towards men-women equality and rights?

are you talking in pay rates?
anyway, my opinion on that is that 2 people of the opposite sex doing the same job should be payed the same.
If that applies to what you're talking about

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pay rates, laws, society, everything.

one example, a case of rape in court. in order to "protect" women, the folowing happens:

- legal representation and support available free to all women, not men
- presumption of guilt, even without evidence (which contradicts the "innocent till proven guilty" motto)
- is normally judged by the "unreasonable" woman standard (she can change her mind on the morning after what was a consensual act the night before)
- loss of reputation and of livelihood
- does not provide punitive awards for false allegations (i.e. if it's proven the woman lied, nothing happens)

this is all in the name of "equal rights". doesn't sound very equal to me.

there are millions of other examples:

- women always expect man to pay meals in a restaurant, regardless of how expensive they are or the current financial situation of the man in question.
if you can't pay the meal, the woman often refuses future dates with you.
if you refuse paying the meal, you are often considered rude.
if you ask her to pay the meal, you're often considered machist.

my sister is doing an essay on this and, after reading it, it hit me like a truck the amount of contradictions "female rights" have or how laws and rights women want equal to man are carefully chosen to avoid damaging their image/reputation.

there are some female members on this board and i really want to see their opinions on this matter.

I just failed a fucking wal mart job application test.

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If women want to have the same rights as men, they shouldn't have special rights. The same goes for any minority. It's not sexist or racist, it's true.

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Ya'll are cruel! End women's suffrage!

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They get special treatment in rape cases for a few reasons. The biggest one is that some ridiculous number of women have been raped and treating it like any other crime tends to lead to the release of the rapist. It doesn't mean it's fair, but it's there for a reason.

In other cases, the way things tend is that people who have been discriminated against are given extra rights when they first get rights at all. This is because they need to be equaled out. When they're equaled out, they get treated the same, but it may take a while for them to be equaled out. Point is: most whining on this subject doesn't understand the strategy.

However, only the people against whom discrimination occurred, specifically, should be able to say anything, legally speaking, in retaliationship.

And, yeah, 'female rights' aren't entirely genuine. But if you really want men and women to be equal in all ways, start fucking dudes. Until then, quit bitching.

DAMN....RIGHT....there is an arabic here, he always brought his knife, a Kirpan, the school tell him to let his knife at home because its forbidden....this fucking paki has pursuit at the court....you know the stupidest thing i ever seen...THE FUCKING PAKI WINS....and know he can go to school with his fucking knife....if i see him, i take his knife and i cut his balls!!

fucking multiculturalism, im not racist but damn shit, some of them pisse me off

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what has him being pakistani have to do with this? he sued on grounds of discrimination?

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that wasn't really the point, PST. it's not about being given first and extra rights. it's been ages since blacks were given those rights and, to a certain extent, black people still aren't treated the same as white folks in several locations in USA (and the rest of the world for that matter), but the opposite also happens.

but i was directly mentioning "men vs women", which is completely different from "white vs black" and, thing is, in this day and age, women claim they are not equal to men and are discriminated in their work place, in court, etc when, in fact, for the past 30 years, it's been the exact opposite.

women, today, are favoured in almost every situation, having the same rights as men PLUS all the freebies.

somehow, in the last decades, it's been estabilished that if you slap a woman, you're rude and evil but if a woman slaps you, she's a heroine and brave.

see the point? there's little sense to have women asking for the same rights as men when they already have them and more (non mandatory military service in some countries comes to mind. if women really want to be equal, shouldn't they be sent to the army as any other man? why aren't they fighting for that?).

Because I think Pakis are allowed by their religion to wear a small knife in their turban.

In the UK, women who falsely accuse a man of rape are seldom named whereas the poor bloke who's reputation is left in tatters is named from the outset. That's my main gripe.

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Hey Bob, is this the case you're talking about?

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006...0302.html?print

exactly!!!

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Equal rights in every aspect.

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TTA you make some pretty solid points, but to be honest it might be better to just go... accept the shit the way it is. Lately i've found that to be pretty hard to grasp or embrace. The reason why i even say this is because this kinda shit will just eat you to death and positive change usually doesn't result from it.

But ont he comment about blacks in america, there is alot more going on than you might think as far as blacks aer treated than the basic example you said. What i mean is there are alot of different factors involved that keep them where they are today. You come to america, you come to the south, (or the inner city ghettos and other places, then you tell me about rasicim. Not to mention you'll understand that way more often than not this country bends over backwards for their entire minority race. (not ENTIRELY a bad thing but still)

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Blacks and whites are far more integrated in the south than in the north, from what I have seen. There are more minorities here than most other places in the country (except for a major ass city like new york, but that is different). We aren't racist like most people think, because if the majority of us (meaning southerners) were racist, we would lose our minds. Nashvile in particular has THE highest concentration of Kurdish immigrants than anywhere in teh country. When they had the Iraqi elections a while back, Nashville was one of the only places in the country where they could vote on it.

And as for the whole equality of women thing, I know they aren't treated the same as men and that is ok with me. All of you guys complaining about it need to re-examine your testicles. Why would you ever want to slap a woman anyway? Even if they said some shit about you or slapped you, you just don't hit girls unless your penis is the size of an ant or if you are SkelatorOfSteel( :rolleyes Women are physically weaker than men, more emotionally senstive, and usually more nurturing than men could ever be (the whole mothering thing, I'm sure LB XXX would love to tell us about that ) As for the whole "rape and rape accusation thing" thats just kinda natural. Women can never really get accused of rape cause they don't have the raping spear that men do. It is just a situation that is really only capable of being done by a human with an erect penis.

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In addition to what you just said, usually when a man gets "raped" by a woman its less rape and more about sadistic abuse. Why we as a species still can't understand that there are differences between me and women and leave at that, proves that not all intellectual thinking and progression of man is for our benefit.

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Hahaha, TTA's full of shit, if partially right.

Women in the workplace still get paid less than men and get sexually harassed (and I mean legitimately so, not some of the bullshit that passes for it). There are rules that are supposed to compensate for this, and in some cases they overcompensate, but it's not as though the situation had changed as fundamentally as you'd like to believe.

Women get the benefit of the doubt in rape cases unfairly, but that has a lot to do with the nature of the crime. It's an imperfect system, but it's still pointing towards an admirable end, one which has not been reached.

Which is why the black/white thing is relevent: there are a lot of bullshit laws there (a white-on-black crime is automatically considered a hate crime regardless of the circumstances, whereas a racially-motivated black-on-white crime isn't; affirmative action disqualifies people for jobs based on their race; etc) that end up doing a lot of damage, but the aim is still good and necessary. Growing pains and imperfect systems. Grow up yourself and deal with them.

Last note: If a small, weak man stands up to a big, strong man, it's always viewed as more admirable than when a big, strong man bullies a small, weak man. I don't believe that women should never, ever, under any circumstances get hit - that's just some propaganda we've all swallowed - but there aren't a lot of circumstances that justify it, or any other abuse of the weak by the strong.

They're fucking Sikhs, you retarded pigfucking A4-white pieces of cum-covered shit!

And if they fucking hate you, it's probably because you think they're all random wogs who do this shit for fun. Arabic isn't Paki isn't Sikh, and if you fucking gave a fuck who was we might not have to wade through this tipsy teenage racism dressed up as social discourse on 'equal rights'.

You all forfeit the right to have opinions about things that involve women, niggers, Jews... in fact, anyone who isn't a white pimpled sack of e-blather.

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Oh, wow, I didn't read that. That was really dumb. Sikhs carry knives and wear turbans. They do as much damage with the latter as with the former. You'd have to be an ignorant Frog not to know that.

to PST: i'm grown up and i accept it, but that doesn't mean i can't question it.

we already mentioned the rape situation, which, just like any other crime, shuold be judged individually but sadly it's not.

another example is divorce and child custody. in 87% of divorces (according to the reaearch on the essay), the children end up with their mother, regardless of her financial/social situation. the main justification for this is that the father can't "bond" as easily with children.

you mentioned salaries. in the last 10 years, where the difference between man and women wages is not inexistant, it's minimal. the vast majority of franchises, just to name one example, pay equal salaries to both sexes.

then you mention sexual harassement (sp?). i'll pair this with domestic violence. as off 2000, there's been a steady increasement on women beating men at home/men getting harassed at work. no one talks about this because, sadly, men do not have the courage, fearing being put down, to seek the authorities and press charges. this happens because, again, everyone assumes the woman/women is/are right from the get go.

i have no problem with equal rights, they should be available for anyone, regardless of race, religion or sex.

this isn't the 50's anymore and men are not the close-minded individuals we once were. shame some women cannot understand this.

I didn't know that because I haven't studied their religion. Am I an ingorant Frog with a capitol F, PST 88?

Man I need some pot.

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What, that shit doesn't happen! Men being bullied by their bitches? I can think of 3 things you can do to stop a stronger female from hurting you: 1) Call 50. 2) Break up and run away and 3) Kill her. Theres more you can do you can use Ju Jitsu whatever you're gonna do just be creative about it.

Whats going on again? its fucking 5 in the morning

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On second thoughts, no. Just... no.

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