If you have digital cable, check your listings. It was on last night at midnight and ti will be on today around noon on VH-1. That's Eastern time, for those in the US.

I caught the last fifteen or so minutes of it last night and it was really good. They have interviews with Vinnie, Phil, and Rita, (I think she's their sister or something). Anyway, I don't have much time to write a detailed description of the program, but it's really good, and if you have the means, you should definitely see it. You can thank me later.

Though chances are it will come out on DVD sooner or later.

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Rita was Dimebags girlfriend....

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In my personal opinion they focused way too much on Phil. But hey, he's the lead singer, so naturally that'll attract nonmusicians the most. It was alright -- I was just really surprised to see it on there. They were having a metal night or something, and actually had a good band on! So at least they're heading in the right direction. They've always been a bit more metal than MTV anyway. What'd'ya expect from mainstream television.

And though this has nothing to do with that particular program, I'm curious about something. When everybody else watches VH1 (well, I rarely do, but hell, stick with me) is the sound mix way out of whack? All my other channels are fine, but VH1 has its music/score mix too high (or its mic/voices side too low). The music always blasts over the people talking and I can barely make out what they say. It does it on commercials, too, I think. So I figured it was a problem with the actual company that airs them. But am I the only one?

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My bro TIVO'ed it last night. Will watch it tonight. Anyone seen the new Dimevision? It's pretty kickass!

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Yea dimevision is sweet. I saw the whole Behind the Music thing last night too, it was pretty sweet, summed up a lot of shit i didnt know about.

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Experience the wonders of Youtube bitches.

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I missed it

Damn. I don't even have VH-1

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well theres all 3 parts
http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...e=search_videos

EDIT: damn, It's missing the end.

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That same user uploaded the rest of the videos....

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http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...s&search=Search

all 5 parts are there, i just watched them... and PHIL IS AN EGO FUCK!

Getcha Pull!

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Yeah Phil is a wanker. I read that interview in Metal Hammer, he spouted some right violent crap in Vinnie and Dimes direction about how Vinnie's a coward and I'll beat his sorry ass and how someone should severly beat up Dime etc.. and a week or so later Dime gets killed! Then he blubs about losing his bro and not being able to go to the funeral!! Uh Duh! Twat!

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Very interesting stuff...

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People sometimes say a lot of shit they don't mean. Don't forget that Phil is, (or at least was), a rockstar, and if there's one thing rockstars are famous for, (other than overdosing on drugs), it's the bullshit statements they make in interviews. In my opinion, that stuff should be taken, as they say, with a grain of salt. Plus, that interview was probably done quite a while before Dime's death, even if it was published a week before.

Phil and Dime were best friends for almost 20 fuckin years, and that's not something that gets forgotten overnight. I've certainly said worse shit than that about people that I actually don't like and never have liked, but I would never wish them death. And don't forget, Vinnie and Dime weren't exactly showering Phil with compliments, either. I've read some interviews where they brought out a lot of dirty laundry which should've never seen the light of day. They were understandably bitter over Pantera's breakup, but hey, life goes on, and a line must be drawn somewhere.

Phil had no obligation to stay in Pantera. If his heart and his mind were no longer in it, there was really no reason for him to stay. Sure, he could have done some half assed shit and tried to ride Pantera's wave of fame and popularity as far as he could, but he choose not to. Phil went from a multi platinum band with guaranteed headlining or co-headlining gigs to a small time indie band, and that's pretty admirable.

Now I'm not saying that the way he handled tihngs was exactly the best way to do it, if anything it was one of the worst ways imaginable, but what's done is done and it can't be taken back. I'm sure that if Phil could go back and change some things, he would do a lto of stuff differently, but due to the sad lack of a flux capacitor equipped Delorean, he can't.

And you know he's got to feel partially responsible for Dime's death, being how the breakup of Pantera was being cited as the main reason that asshole shot him. That's not an easy load to carry on your shoulders, I don't care who you are.

EDIT: What's Dimevision?

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Dimevision's a DVD that recently was released that celebrates Dime's life. Its like the other home videos they released.

Good point, obviously media can misrepresent, sex and salacious scandal sells more than twee. And despite what band these guys were in the interview would always drift to Pantera(just look at Sepultura/Soulfly and Megadeth interviews over the years!) There is a way of behaving within the public forum and Phil has glittering back catalogue of shooting his mouth off, I recall homophobia and racism being levelled at him some years back and what was that open letter about flat lining in ER because he'd jacked too much 'H' in to his arm???? Was we meant to feel sorry for him? I don't know! Why is it that his back surgery is the 'worst, most hard as bugger painful back surgery in the history of back surgery. ever!'??? He's so hard I got wet!
Regardless of the time span from doing the interview to it being published he still said some pretty venomuos stuff, violent words are still violent words regardless of when they are said. I'm not saying Dime and Co were innocent of the mud slinging, I recall how they said he's back on drugs and his voice isn't what it used to be etc

He could have been honest with the rest of the band and told them he no longer wanted to be in Pantera, was he edging his bets just incase one of his side projects didn't take off? It's only common curtiousy not to have kept them hanging on for two years! After all thery'd been in the same band for 15-16 years!

I guess it could be served as a cautionary tale, be careful what you say........


Now where can I get a flux capacitor for this Delorean I've just bought?

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mwuahaha, brilliant movie!

anyway, just seen the show and it goddamn interesting and intense, ive never seen the alrosa villa material before, shoking.

Just a cool bio visualized

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Watched it last night. It was pretty good. Makes me want to go play very, very loud music.

I laughed pretty hard when Phil laid out this cheese ball: "Don't underestimate the kid. You're fucking crazy if you do..and I am the kid".

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Haha yeah I got that feeling too.

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Am I the only one that had difficulty watching this? Still hits pretty hard, ya know...

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No man, it hit me hard as hell. I'm not gonna lie.

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^ Your Alias better be about killing Phil Anselmo

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I also don't understand why people seem to hate Phil so much. You people trying to tell me that you never have been arrogant, and have never said some really mean shit that you didn't mean when you were mad at someone?

Maybe I'm alone in this, and it seems that way, but I feel bad for the guy. Bad blood or not, sometimes even for a moment things should be put aside. It'd be pretty damn hard for me to tell someone not to go to someone else's funeral. I highly doubt Phil was the only person who said/did something wrong through the whole situation.

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Agreed, and it was hard for me to watch too, mainly when Jerry Abbott started crying.... How sad man... Pantera is definitely my favorite band, gotta love Dime...

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i respect phil, everybody's putting him down just out of revenge or whatever.

when im gonna see him (and rex) with down next week, i swear to got i'm gonna be in fucking heaven

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Ya, it was hard at times, but when you see Dime chugging down a beer, or laughing at shit in the clips your like, "We were lucky to have him around, even if it was cut short." I saw him in June 2004, Damage Plan opening for Slayer, he was FANTASTIC. I would give ANYTHING to see that show again.

And about Phil: hes a prick. Good vocalist. Good songwriter. Shit person. Hes Pantera's Dave Mustaine. And he can go to hell. You can't ignore someone for over a year, then expect to be their best friend just like that. They had some bad issues, and now they'll never be done with. And thats something harsh to live with...

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Since everyone's talking about it: Phil is an asshole of the particular type who lives in the moment. Meaning that he talks a lot of shit and probably means very little of it the next day. Which is why he tends to feel misrepresented when he reads his own interviews and so on. But it's also why he can't be held entirely responsible for the shit he talks. He didn't want Dime to get severely beaten even when he said it, and had it happened he'd be broken up about it. And since something much worse happened, he's never going to be able to come off well again.

But ultimately he didn't kill Dime, and he only talked a lot of shit after Dime and Vinny came out and talked shit about everything he did outside of Pantera (as though Damageplan was better than Down). He was an asshole and said all sorts of shit he shouldn't have, but almost everybody I know acts the same way. Everybody says shit they don't really want to see happen, and it's a shame to be held responsible for words as though they were actions.

All that said, I haven't seen this yet.

agreed

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Shut up.

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I'm guessing you don't agree? Or are you just replying to my post to make me mad?

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Stop posting shit about what I say if you don't have anything to say.

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Like I just said, calm down. I disagree, cause he was going through some tough shit and you're just saying he's a prick and should go to hell.

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i kinda agree with zertron to be honest

and i disagree (i mean dont share the same opinion) with pst when he sais damageplan is better than down

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Kinda weird to think they recorded The Great Southern Trendkill in seperate places.

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yeah indeed, i was surprised when i heard that, i mean it sounds so tight and soulfull. well maybe the isolation just helped phil sound aggressive

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Well, whatever the fuck it was, it helped. It's my favorite Pantera album.
Kinda cool how Seth was on that album too.

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yeah indeed, the titeltrack is fucking sick

check the cover me and my friend did recently:
http://www.menno.satanist.nl/ThePhi...rnTrendkill.mp3

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Well, I watched the program. I'm not really surprised that they talked so much about Phil, since it was mostly in the context of the very public controversies he caused and how he contributed to the disintegration of the band, as well as his friendship with the Abbott's. I can't help but feel sorry for him, but I also can't help but see that he dug his own hole. He's in the unfortunate position of somebody who talked some shit that would normally be bad but forgivable, but the world changed and lit the words in a different way, and he'll never be able to live them down. So, in a way, he's right to say that it's everybody else's fault as much as his own - it isn't, but it's equal parts his own fault and the fault of the world ('world' here meaning the situation, not some worldwide conspiracy). He's both in the wrong and fucked over by his situation, and it's a damn shame.

Anyway, some good shit. Always a little surprising, for some reason, to see people who aren't really in the metal scene to think of Pantera as the most extreme and heavy shit out there, but everybody's got their blinders. I wish the focus had been more on the band and less on their break up, since the good years and music are what should be remembered, but that's also to be expected. Everybody likes controversy.

I didn't say that Damageplan were better than Down. I said Vinny and Dime started talking shit about Phil's sideprojects as though Damageplan were better than Down. Meaning that I disagree with that attitude.

Nice job! That was awesome!

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Nice cover man. Your tone didnt really fit though...

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what do you mean? out of tune? guitar sound? vocals?

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Nobody listens to Pantera anymore.

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It is pretty ignorant I think to solely place the blame on Phil. PST and Walpurgis said it rather well. I've done it before too, said something about a close friend or
just talked shit to sound cool or because I was pissed. God forbid what I said though ever came true, I would be crushed.

Don't get me wrong though, I am not entirely defending Phil. I'm sure he did things to both drive the Abbot brothers away as well as the Abbot brothers did to him.

I mean for fucks sake, you spend 15 or so years around someone and you are always on the road, you get tired of the person....

If you had started a new project and were excited about it, you would want to run with it too....

The lack of communication though, maybe Phil was nervous what the guys would think...I don't know. Thats just foolish IMO. He should have told them his intentions.

Maybe as an example, you remember the lyrics to Yesterday Don't Mean Shit. That should sum up Phil's situation to an extent.






Shutup

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No, it was a good tone, just not for that song. Sounded kinda... rocky, more than metal to me.

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hehe thats funny, since i used the cool edit ozone thrash preset called dimebag.

but anyway, this is way off topic.

zionist, you're a tard

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he did backing vocals on a couple of songs as a return for phil singing on AxCx's 40 more reasons to hate us

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Yeah, it sounded great too. I went to sleep to The Great Southern Trendkill last night too. God, I love that album.

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this just in, phil's a pussy. i had the same operation he had. not only did they take bone from my hip, they took a full rib (the largest one possible) and bone from the "Bone bank" (dead people) to fuse 7 vertebrae

fuck phil , that pansy. "YOU DONT MESS WITH THE KID". really tough...

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He's a pussy because he needed the surgery and went years without it in order to fulfill his obligations? Or because he still attempted to do the very things that had caused his spinal problems without having the ones he already had surgically corrected?

Stupid? Yes. Oh, hell yes. You'd have to be an idiot to tough through that in order to keep making music as you want to when you could have it corrected, even if that correction means you'd have to take a little time off from making music. You should know that better than anybody else.

Pussy? Not really. It's a lot harder, probably more painful, and definitely more damaging in the long run to refuse a surgery and continue to do the very things that necessitated it than to have that operation performed. I wonder what defective logic has led you to think that choosing the more difficult and painful road is the definition of a pussy.

But he is a fucking idiot for the choices he made. Especially considering the four year break between The Great Southern Trendkill and Reinventing the Steel.

he sold his operation like, paraphrasing-it was the hardest spine operation ever. not only is that incorrect, he shouldnt try to get sympathy or credit for it, ESPECIALLY because he avoided it like a pussy in the first place

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Right, but he still isn't a pussy. He did say something along the lines of "the most intense back surgery in history". He's a good example of someone suffering from testosterone posioning but definatly not a pussy. A "pussy" would have refused the surgery because he was scared and haulted preforming because of the pain. I think you just like calling him a pussy so that your screaming fantasies of pumping his four-days-since-shaved anus while whimpering from the stubble skinning your dick isn't homosexual. I use to not like him too, but I got over that. Regardless of his stupidity, arrogance, etc - he makes good music.

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Again, avoiding it to do something that aggravates the condition because of a sense of obligation to the music is actually being less of a pussy than having the operation and avoiding behavior that hurts your back. I seem to recall a list of things you can't do because it would do damage to your back (including stuff like playing guitar for too long). It's smart not to do those things. It's dumb to do those things. But you can't criticize somebody who continued to do those things on the grounds that he's a pussy. In most cases, it's the definition of being tough to fight through your pain and get the job done.

Now, I won't deny that Phil's been a dumbass, a macho dick, or overwhelmingly self-pitying and self-aggrandizing. Just that you take vicodin in order to stand against a wall at a concert even after having had such an operation, and probably shouldn't be calling somebody who jumped around on stage for around a decade before going under the knife a pussy for that reason. There are a lot of more appropriate words, and I think I've suggested some.

i dont want to go back and forth but i enjoyed darkos post more

i see your points, as fucking always with you, agree to disagree

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If you see my points - all of which are that you're being an idiot for calling Phil a pussy when he toughed it out with pain you chose not to - then retract your statement and call him a macho idiot. Or don't say you see my points. Do either and I'll agree to disagree. As it is I don't see why I should. Giving up in every argument when you don't have the energy to counter somebody else's opinion isn't actually agreeing to disagree; it's quitting. Like a pussy? Sure.

ouch.

Trans, just because you went through the same surgery doesn't mean that everyone goes through the same level of pain or distress that you do. Him putting off the surgery takes more balls, because he is standing there dealing with the pain rather than do what it takes to fix it. Pussy? No. Fucking moron? +1.

I'm not trying to prolong this debate, but the fact that you are trying to compare the results of your surgery and his as your basis for calling him a "pussy" are asinine.

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the surgery has increased my pain level, not decreased it. i would be very suprised if he was the opposite.

by the way,pst, playing guitar doesnt risk injuring my back. it just hurts. i do it for as long as possible, until pain makes me stop. you really couldnt imagine having to stop playing guitar because of something like that, unless you have arthritis in your finger tips and then your painfully wordy posts have to get cut off.

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awesome that you have a dead man's rib

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its my rib

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I have no outer layer of flesh on the fingertips of my right hand right now. I'm using those same fingertips to type. I've also headbanged at a concert on days I've incurred concussions, played basketball with a broken collarbone, ran up and down staircases the day after being hit by a car and aggravating my bum knee, boxed with broken fingers, bench-pressed over 200 for the first time when my hands were covered with heat blisters because I'd set that as the day for me to do it, etc. I actually do know what it's like to push something to the point at which it feels like you can't do it anymore. And I know what it's like to stop at that point. And I know what it's like not to stop at that point.

The way Phil spoke about his surgery it sounds as though his back's hurt him less since having it.

i was nearly crying watching this

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Watching what?

I'm guessing the VH-1 Pantera special. It was tear jurking for me too. Pantera and Dime are still one gauge by which I measure my abilities today. It is always inpiring to hear them, but to see them live back in the day was a real treat. I was sad watching the special because I remembered I have to accept that I will never get to see Pantera live again and I will never get to hear a new song or guitar riff from dime. I was also sad for Dimes friends and family being forced to deal with his dramatic death.

I also felt sad for Phil, as much as I can stand him. Maybe he is an addicted selfish two faced liar, maybe not. I don't know the dude myself but he is human and deep down, needed simple closer with Dime, perhaps more so then many of the people that got to attend Dime's funeral. Things with phil should have been put aside for a day, no matter what was said in the past. That was his last chance to say goodbye and any sorrys to Dime. That is a very important thing for the living to do. Now he is going to be haunted by not being there for the rest of his life and it is going to effect everyone around him both directly and indirectly.

I wish Dime were not killed, but I'm glad he got to die fast and in the moment of what, I hope, he love doing the most.

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i pickep up the guitar at 9 not playing seriously and only on acoustic. i decided to learn electric guitar with 15 seriously because of dimgebags guitar style. i really wondered if it made sense to go on after dimes death. simply because he was my personal limit. he was doin all this just to get shot by some mindless navy scum. i didnt see the point in all that anymore. fortunatly i see it diffrently now otherwise i would have quit the guitar for sure. seeing the circumstances of his death still touches me although it may be absolutly stupid. i never knew that guy i never met him i wasnt even at one pantera show. although especially part 5 was tough. it sounds ridiculous i know .. i dont even know how to explain it. its weird.

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There are lots of deranged people in the world that do wierd shit for many unrealistic reasons; Navy or not. Stop people if you even think they may hurt themself or someone else over crazy shit. I don't think anyone believed this dude about what he was saying about killing Dime before he did it. I'm sure there are some people out there that now feel bad because they could have prevented this if they had said something.

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maybe

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The same way no one really believed Phil wanted Dime 'severly beaten'

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indeed, there's no doubt in my mind that if dime was still alive, he and phil would get together one day and watch old pics and videos, have a couple of shots and rejoin pantera.

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there was no chance for a pantera reunion ever again. thats what vinnie said and i can understand this.

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Actually a lot of people seem to have believed Phil when he said that. I seriously doubt he wanted to see Dime beaten severely. It's not the first time he's run his mouth faster than his brain and certainly not the last.

I'm not sure how much of what Vinny and Rita say now is influenced by the incontrovertible fact that Dime was murdered. As long as everybody's alive, there's always a chance of a reunion, or at least reconciliation. Look at Pink Floyd. Look at Anthrax. Granted, none of the members of those bands has said anything near as dumb as what Phil said, but the point is that people have a way of growing out of their grudges. Except when they've been shot in the head.

yeah thats what phil said. vince obviously is mad at phil, but phil new for sure they were hitting the stage again in the future, he took priest as an example.

ofcourse this all was said after the death of dime

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im convinced that they never would have come 2gether again. nevermind

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Lol, I thought it was obvious enough.

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It does not surpise me that Vinnie is saying this, we know what could have happened though... Oh yeah for half of the people here, STOP SHIT TALKING PHIL

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Lol, I bet Phil talks about you I think he is a great proformer and musician but I can't stand listining to him talk.

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I'm not a Phil fan boy, but it also pissed me off when Rita said something to the effect of blowing Phil's head off if he went to the funeral.. Whatever, they all need to talk and resolve this because this is bullshit!

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I don't think Pantera could've ever really gotten back together. Why? I don't think Phil would've appologised for all the shit talking he's done. And I also doubt Dime and Vinnie would forgive him for ingnoring them for so long. They waited a long time and he did nothing (that's why Damage Plan was formed). I don't think I would forgive someone if they did that to me. He had his chance.

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To be perfectly honest, the way Roger Waters treated the rest of Pink Floyd was probably worse than anything Phil ever said, and we've seen a Pink Floyd reunion in the past year.

But what am I saying? A 16 year-old from a comfortable Western country has laid down the law about the possibilities of forgiveness! He wouldn't have forgiven somebody in the same situation, and nobody knows about forgiveness and how to be more mature than one's grudges like a teenager! So who am I to comment?

By the way, anybody who didn't read my post in context and thinks I'm actually not sure of what he was watching can felch a prison rape victim.

It's just my opinion dude... You are really sensative...



And I'm 15.

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You're right. Rita's comment was just as out of line as anything Phil ever said. This kinda talk is never going to get them anywhere and it only makes the fan base feel unsure about how to feel if anything.

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Yeah, and not to talk shit about Dime's girl, but I never even knew he had a girlfriend until he died! I hear she's cool though, i'll probably eventually meet her (she goes to local shows every once in a while)...

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You have a funny definition of sensitive.

I don't think it's that weird that we've barely heard of Rita. That's his private life and he's got no reason to share it, considering that he shared virtually everything else with us.

Yeah that's true, i'm not saying he didn't love her or whatever, i'm just saying with all the home videos you would expect to hear about her I guess...

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You seemed agitated after what I said.



This coment made it look like you were kind of angry.

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When I'm angry I won't be sarcastic about the flaws in your argument; I probably won't be on the internet at all. I've yet to be more than somewhat annoyed at somebody on an internet forum; I save genuine anger for the people who deserve it.

ok, all the doubts i had about phil are gone. He preformed fucking great last night with down, really i dont know what to say, he was flawless, as was the rest of the band ofcourse

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He is a great proformer and musician, no doubt about that, but I don't know if I would like to know him on a personal level. I just can't stand the way he talks. It makes me crazy.

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yeah the part in that interview about 'the kid' was retarded

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i laughed so hard as he called someone pussy in the front.

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