Today about 100,000 "immigrants" (mostly hispanic) assembled in Fort Myers, FL and had a huge march in protest of the legislation passed in December that made illegal immigration a felony. Seems marches are popping up all over the nation.

Personally, I think that illegal immigrants are a very important aspect of avoiding inflation of food prices and other commodities, but I can't help but think that 90% of these people have no idea what they're marching for and are just hopping on the band wagon.

Wutcha think?

I think that the absolute worst thing they can do for their cause is wave Mexican flags and shove an alternative nationalism in the faces of the average pindick American. Christ on a spike, talk about being your own worst enemy...

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well shit its about time illegal immigration is a felony

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i may not make sense here, but ill make some sort of attempt

yeah, but we're talking millions and millions of people that are gonna become felons overnight, that means mothers, fathers, families, and maybe their kids are american citizens and if theyre family disappears, theyre gonna be left in a foster home, where who knows that the foster parents are like, the foster dad may be a cousin-banging, lust-raging alcoholic and may end up raping one of the daughters....or sons. but the point, an illegal immigrant may be days away from getting their papers to finally be able to reside in the USA, not legal residence, but citizenship, and not only days away from becoming legal, a law passes which makes them illegal overnight then they get deported back to their country and pretty much destroy theire hopes in starting a brand spanking new life. not all the immigrants are theives and criminals, a lot of them are, i know from experience.

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Though I rarely come onto this section of the forum, I only have one thing to say:

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What I find funny is that they can't seem to spell America.

So what exactly defines them as Illegal? What do they have to do to become actual citizens?

I think if they are there, and they work and pay taxes like other people in Amerca it shouldnt be a problem.

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Well, they need have a green card to be legally allowed to work.(if you're a nurse, you'll be fine..my late uncle, aunt and kids have lived in Galvaston, Texas, then Brandon, FL for many years). I'm not an American, fill us in...I presume they have to qualify as citizens through tests and whatnot.

My gf's father lives in Corpus Christi(he is from El Salvador..actually fought as a rebel in their revolution)..he's begging for the best. They don't like commies.



America fucked themselves with boarder patrol and letting so many mexicans work at Wal Mart and Mcdonalds. And, being a desirable place to live, which is actually a true statement.

I like America, I've been there countless times, but we have better beer and more land..so I'd rather live where I live.

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thats insane, prison sentences for being illegals? incarceration?

the immigrant debate is similiar to the war on terrorism. americas policys of setting up cold war era dictatorship puppetocracies in latin america, like the middle east fail horribly and now we are seeing the consequences. basically our influence created weak bannana republics that exist thru remittances, that is, the money sent home from immigrant workers working in america, meanwhile countries like guatemala,nicaragua,mexico,peru etc. are fucked due all the shit loans from imf in the 80's up until today. its a good thing to see left wing elected presidents down there who's main focus is economic independence. granted chavez or castro shouldnt be seen as a leading example.

alot of the older people from latin america here actually lived thru death squads america funded, just about all of them come here to support families back home. i live in a predominately puerto rican,dominican nieghborhood and do not fear these people like most white people do. every influx of immigrants is gonna pose a problem with gang culture, like the irish and most notably the italian mafia. did this ruin our country, no, we dealt with it. granted the irish organized crime came to rule boston legitimately<the Kennedys>but hey, its all in the past. boston itself is has one of the lowest crime rates for a city that size

the siuation at the border is too extreme, nothings gonna stop the flow of people comming here, building something akin to the great wall of china isnt gonna work. immigrant work visas are total bullshit, if they pay taxes and live here they deserve nothing short of full citizenship. we used to take people by the boatload everyday from europe, now since the flow of people is usually non-white, now we got a problem. i believe the reason why america has a debate is due to racism, pure and simple

there will never be a satisfactory solution to this problem

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Period. But that goes for every political issue. There's not one debate that will ever end and have everybody happy. But I think we all know how this one's going to turn out. Their staying is absolutely inevitable. It's going to be a giant hook for the upcoming elections. And our political correctness would never allow us to do that to so many people. I'm not sure what my opinion is on it, but -- of course -- it doesn't matter. America has no balls. Unless we're blowing up Muslims, we simply have no balls. We're a bunch of crooked hippies. Politically, at least. And what's wrong with that?

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we'll probably build a giant wall, that wall will probably go 100 feet underground, razorwire,guard towers etc.

bush's plan will probably go thru, work visas "come all ye poor,oppressed masses and beat thy swords into plowshares for 2 years about then ye are not welcome, get ye the fuck out of our beloved america."

praise god and pass the ammunition

Well, time for me to play the typical ignorant American. If I've ever met an illegal immigrant, I haven't known about it. Whether they're here or somewhere else doesn't matter to me. Fuck em.

Personally I feel that people spend way too much time caring about stupid shit. Maybe if I was around a lot of them or lost a job to one or something, it'd be important, but it's not. I am getting fucking tired of people in my own country not being able to speak our language though. Every one of those people should die.

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you seem to like them . come down to where i live for a bit, you would see plenty every day! im not even talking about Hispanics (who make up no less than 70% of the population in every town surrounding me). Im talking about straight up, easy to spot "mojos" or illegal aliens. i guess its hard to tell anymore which have "gained their citizenship". as for the law passed, i dont fucking care, there is no sympathy from me. wonder why??? Because im sick of fucking spanish!!! because i hate the fact that i HAD to take 2 years of spanish in highschool. because i even hear spanish when my mom is listening to the fucking country radio. because 2 of my ex-girlfriend's parents didnt know english! my math teacher talks spanish half the time. you think i should learn it? fuck that, how would you like to. i live next to Mexico, not fucking in it

The same thing is happening here in Texas.

Stopping illegal immigration isn't going to stop you from being surrounded by and learning Spanish. The only thing that would stop that would be the end of any immigration and the expelling of all immigrants, which in a country like America would be pretty fucking dumb.

Then again, so is incarcerating people for crossing borders illegally. We already get to shoot them with rock salt and toss them back to Mexico. You'd think that would be enough.

The only thing that will fix the foreign language problem is a Universal Language. But I'm curious. If we did do such a thing (which I think we all can agree it wouldn't happen) which language would we use? Or would we create a new one? I would feel like an idiot to say Enlgish, because that's my language and it would seem like I'm just lazy to learn another, but isn't English the most common in the world? I'd be willing to change my language, but I know the majority of people on Earth wouldn't. So it's really just a stupid idea that could never be set in motion. I personally am not that annoyed by people who speak other languages in America. Just as long as they can understand me and communicate.

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Therein lies the problem. Many of them are employed in areas such as agriculture and construction and are payed under the table, therefore they don't pay taxes. People are upset that their children go to school on taxpayers' money, they receive medical attention on taxpayers' money, etc.

About an international language: the language spoken by the most people in the world is Chinese.

Also, TimeDragon: you're not required to take Spanish as a foreign language. You could take French, German, Chinese, etc. You just need 2 years of any foreign language to graduate.

It's kind of ridiculous when illegal immigrants try to cite the first and fifth ammendments against the law...considering they're not citizens and they don't apply to them

English is the most common, but most attempts at a Universal Language entail inventing a new one, all of which are pretty bad. It usually means trying to make a language that perfectly corresponds to the world, which means breaking the world down into categories, which are assigned particular phonemes, and words are built in this manner.

So if we break it down so that 'an-' is for the category of organic things, and 'me-' is for the subcategory of things that grow out of the ground, and 'la-' is for the subcategory of edible things, and 'be-' is for the subcategory of fruits, then an apple might be called 'anmelabego' and an orange might be called 'anmelabebo.' If 'te-' is for animals, and 'ba-' for mammals, then a cow might be called 'antelabano.'

A lot of problems with this should be obvious, and most obvious should be the idiocy of the task of categorizing the world in this manner (i.e. why should a cow be considered something that is eaten rather than something that is made into couches and jackets?). Virtually every attempt to impose a structure of categories on the world like that makes a mockery of human effort. It's actually in an essay on one of the Universal Languages ('The Analytical Language of John Wilkins') that Borges wrote his famous description of a 'certain Chinese Encyclopedia' in which animals are divided as follows: a. ones belonging to the Emperor, b. embalmed ones, c. those that are trained, d. suckling pigs, e. mermaids, f. fabulous ones, g. stray dogs, h. those included in the present classification, i. those that tremble as if they were made, j. innumerable ones, k. those drawn with a very fine camlehair brush, l. others, m. those that have just broken a flower vase, n. those that from a very long way off look like flies.

But there are some other problems than the fact that there's no way to put such a language together without running up against absurdity. It's basically designed for facility of learning and for that reason has rigid rules, which most closely associates it with dead languages rather than living ones. And languages that grow and change often become associated with a particular group and speciate, i.e. become a new and distinct language. So Universal Languages tend to be stupid and pointless, in some futilely noble way.

But I'm kind of happy that there are people in America who speak Spanish and assume that I can't when they speak about me in front of me.

The children of illegal immigrants, if born in America, are American citizens. So that shouldn't be other peoples' concern.

Right wing conservatives love to create straw-man arguments against immigrants though. It's an easy target: Parents don't pay taxes, children don't deserve free civic privaleges. But after they get their way and tomato prices rise manifold, they'd search for a new way to blame the immigrants...or terrorists...or homosexual communists.

I fucking hate pinko fags. They're always fucking with my simple conveniences, I hear.

hahahahaha "pinko fags"

Thought you were Richard Nixon for a second.

I just don't understand how people can think they are right in marching in protest to laws they are breaking in a country they're not even a citizen of.

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They're foreign citizens in direct violation of US law. The only thing these assholes deserve is a swift kick in the nuts, and a free ride out of here.

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8th grade suicide resulting from the situation. I was told that the principal had threatend his graduation and something about jail time. I can't find a better source for the article.

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/04/153084.php

I can see him becoming a mascot for the protests and how wrong that will be.

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im quite aware of this, i stated it only to show one of the reasons why i dont feel sympathy for the people the law will affect. my examples were to justify the fact that i dont feel sympathy for them.

i was talking about my highschool. at my highschool Spanish was they ONLY language they taught, and you HAD to take it for at least 2 years.

2 years of Spanish is so mild and so easy, and so necessary in a hemisphere that's predominately Spanish-speaking and that probably won't remain USA-dominated throughout our lifetime, that complaining about that shit is like whining about having to breath oxygen. Trust me: you want to know Spanish if you live in South Texas. You should hear some of the shit I heard when I was there that no other white guy heard.

And you should never eat fast food.

"Pinko fags" reminded me of Archie Bunker. Great show that would probably be too politically incorrect to be aired now.

On Bob and Tom Show today one of the more intelligent comedians they had on said that Americans are afraid of the Mexicans turning America into Mexico.

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Nobody could get away with a lot of All in the Family now, but everybody could get away with some of it.

Mexicans are afraid of America turning into Mexico. What the fuck do you think they're running from?

You misread what I said.
And Carlos Mencia or Dave Chappelle might get away with some stuff, but it sure wouldn't be prime time. You're right though.

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I didn't misread anything. You read what I said in terms of what you said, which is dumb. I'll explain why tomorrow if I have to.

Carlos Mencia and Dave Chappele are not white guys from Queens with hippies from Chicago dating their blonde, blue-eyed daughters. Identical statements coming from different parties are different.

No, need to. I see what you mean, but I was speaking from what the "honkies" perspective was that the guy was referring to.

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See, I agree with this.
Illegal immigration is NOT right, for the obvious reason that they are breaking the law. That doesn't mean that every illegal in the country right now should up and be considered felons. As Tranny said on the first page, there is no good solution to this, because as always, its a double edged sword.

Yes, its not right to just say "fuck the borders" and let everyone in. But at the same time, its not right to kick those who have been part of the work force for years and years to be branded a felon.

And to whoever said "its ok as long as they are paying taxes" (i could've read it wrong, but from memory), they AREN'T paying taxes because they are illegal, and paying taxes to a country you aren't legally a citizen of is a big red flag for INS.

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when i read this thread im like "oh, screw you!" to the poster

then i read the reply and im like "youre wrong too!"

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i think we should make it easier for people of the southern hemisphere to become citizens and accept more people from there in general. granted this isnt gonna change everything overnight but i thinks its better than a wall and guard towers,razorwire. as far as illegals go in this country, i dont know, they know the risks involved and are willing to deal with the consequences of being deported. a good friend of mine nearly got sent back to moscow over some some stupid shit


"immigrant work visas are total bullshit, if they pay taxes and live here they deserve nothing short of full citizenship"

i believe im the one dissection is talking about. what i mean is UPON giving an illegal a work visa they will be paying taxes like the rest of us, which should automatically entitle citizenship not just a temporary stay.


a bigger issue is whether or not mexico and many countries down south can become economicaly and politically strong enough to retain thier people and not purely exist from remittances,imf and world bank loans. for that i have no answer

Ah, yes, now I understand your point.
More money for the government to spend on bullshit wars by allowing illegals to stay and pay taxes?
Really though, gotcha.

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If spanish is easy for you then congrats, it wasnt and isnt easy for me, and ive been around it for a long time. you say i want to know spanish if i live in south texas? i agree, but the thing is, i dont want to live in south texas. i just am not able to move away yet, money is a burden. being white myself, ive heard all the "shit".

With all due lack of respect, fuck the law and fuck everyone who aren't capable of being humble enough to avoid stupid conflicts.
When it comes to the conflict in the US, I do not know enough to say wether it's stupid to shove this work force out or if it is the stupidity of the immigrants that mainly causes born and bred US-citizens to want to get rid of them. But I do know, that if I stay over with a friend I help taking care of the dishes after dinner and keep my hat on if he or she want it that way.

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Isn't Dicksuckon a mexican?

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Spanish is easy as compared to other languages. The only one I've encountered that's easier is Italian, and I think it was easy primarily because I already knew Spanish. In any case, two years is not a long time, and it's a language you should know, living where you are. There are more Canadians just south of that border as well, and I don't think it has to do with illegal immigration.

Of course everyone's wrong. That's politics. You don't want to involve yourself in this shit.

There are 1 million canadians in California alone(including a 2nd cousin of mine)...we just blend in well compared to mexicans.

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