That's right. An abortion thread. Let's see how messy this gets. Seeing as you're all mostly too young and mostly too male to have to worry about this affecting you directly, I thought stirring up some lunkheaded opinions might be fun.

Anyway, I like to keep my finger on current events and something's been sticking out like a dog's balls in the recent past.

This year, coinciding with the inevitable confirmation of Alito in January (US Supreme Court judge) with controversy over his views on abortion (he wrote a position paper in 1985 which appears to have a fairly clear opinion on it), different states of the US have been throwing aroung anti-abortion legislation like hot potatos.

January 11 - Wisconsin
February 26 - South Dakota
March 9 - Tennessee
March 12 - Mississippi

It's not all "BAN ABORTION ITZ GHEY!11", but a broad range of issues all centered around the pro-life movement. There's more of them, but I can't find the links. They're all very recent, and all proposed legislative barriers restrictions, or limitations to abortion. It's a well-coordinated effort, no doubt supported by motherfuckers like this.

Is there talk of this in America, or is this news to everyone?

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If all this legislation goes through, I'm packing my bags for America and opening a coathanger factory. I'm a make me some big bucks.

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abortion is this generations slavery, that is, its THE issue to argue about. its what always comes up


we get a safe and legal and clean way to not only eliminate unwanted children but volunteer to help slow the huge amounts of reproduciton thats overpopulating earth and we pass it up. thats obscene. i also dont buy that its a human being when its 2 inches long and incapable of anything other than sitting (floating) around

as bill hicks said, "you're not a human being untill you're in my phone book" which is taking it a bit far however..

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I've had 2 people very close to me, male and female, go through the trauma of abortions. It was extremely sad. I do think in the cases of certain life threatening reasons, incest, or rape it should be a valid option. Within the first trimester I'd hestitantly agree if someone opted for it, but I'd make sure they understood the other options. After the first trimester, unless it's life threatening, forget it. There's only one way to not get pregnant. That should get stressed more than protection.

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LEGALIZE_IT.

Dumb people make mistakes.
Smart people make mistakes.

I consider myself very moral...and could easily if needed have an abortion with zero guilt.
Socoipath?
Perhaps...but likely not.

As far as an issue of will this stay legal or be overturned.....hard to say.
America is suffering from a HUGE problem these days....it's called stubborn pride.
I bet there are MANY republicans that have no real solid view on Abortion but if their leader opt for it they will back them as to stay loyal to their party.

Party loyalist are ruining this society.

Example....

Town of 35,000 split almost in half to Dem/Repub
The man running for mayor has sex offences in his past history MANY years ago.
You'd think that would be enough to sway the vote to his opposition.....NOPE.
People will still vote for a convicted Pedo if he is the ONLY person running on thier partys ticket.

So abortion....immigration....prescription prices......war.....NONE of these issues matter to the individual average American.

All that matters is what your leader cares about......fucking Blind Sheep has never taken on such a true meaning.

Word, I've had two close friends, both of their girlfriends have had abortions...there lives would be a lot more fucked if they had the baby that's for sure.


GO ABORTIONZZ!!

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As Bill Hicks once said:
"A fetus isn't human, it's a little congregate of cells."

I'll just say I'm against abortion-for killing newborn babies!

In all reality, I could give a shit what people do to what's growing inside them.

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exactly the fetus has not experienced life before it is born so i dont see how people can feel bad about it

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i agree.

i agree with abortion as well. think about the people who dump live babies in trash cans. most likely, they would have rather had an abortion than dump the baby, but if they cant have an aboriton at that point and area/state, they dump it. raising a child can ruin someones life, depending on what age or type of person the parent is.

There are too many legitimate reasons not to have a kid. There's too much Draconian morality associated with sex, too much 'You should've thought of that before you let him stick it in you.' No, you shouldn't have. Responsibility is not automatically earned by people who were too dumb to avoid causing a pregnancy and it's idiotic to pretend that being prepared to fuck and prepared to parent are even remotely the same thing. Other logical arguments in this direction that will be totally ignored by people who have disagreed with me before hearing me speak.

I remember there was a time when this was debated a lot when I was in high school, then it stopped for a while, and now it's started again. Ultimately I think the results of overpopulation are a lot scarier than not forcing teenage kids to be parents, but it's really not up to men to have the final say in this issue and it's a slight to it that it's invariably decided by old white male alcoholics.

Teh F3tus

Its not like you are killing your 5 year old son.

I mean obviously, i can totally understand that it is still killing something which is to become your child, but if you have reason to do it. For example, you are 16 and the baby is going to have two poor loser parents struggling to bring it up until it a teenager, well i think its better to go through the loss of the fetus than giving some poor kid a shit life because you are selfish.

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Not only am I pro abortion. But I think that in some cases it should be mandatory.

Hooray for birthcontrol.

Besides, when t3h fetus is aborted you get t3h stem cells to cure t3h cancer, then we can have an ever aging population so everyone can win.

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YESSSSSSSSs

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Thats funny. Maybe you would like to go through with that situation and then comment. Zero guilt...ya ok.

Abortion should be left up to the desicion of both parties responsible for making it. I hate the thought that it is a Womens only choice, either both agree, or your stuck with it.

Vote regressive.

I'm pro-choice, and as stated earlier in this thread, it shouldn't be just a woman's right.

Also, from a finacial stand point, not making abortion an option would really increase poverty.

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okay here is my opinion on Abortion.

a Fetus is a fetus, NOT a humna being, it is a Parasite, it requires the mother for CONTINUED life, therefore since it cannot support itself it does not have the right to life (under the UDHR) so using this, a woman can have an abortion at ANY time right up until the point where the baby can be born without it needing any assistance (like an incubator etc.)

as for the whole 2 people fuck and the chick gets pregnant scenerio.

I think that there should be a get out clause for guys, if they don't want the baby or to have anything to do with it, they should be able not to, if the chick insists on keeping the baby and NOT getting an Abortion then she should have to deal with the consequences of keeping the baby, that means SOLE financial responsibility or adoption.

its a bit shit when a guy has to pay shit loads of money out of his pay check every week when he doesn't get a say if the baby is kept or aborted.

But then I do agree that abortion is a womans choice and right being her body and all.

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Good call, I'd rather be dead than live a shitty life that I had no control over just because my parents weren't able to abort my sorry ass.

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haha, JACKED.

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so far its only the old woman who doesnt like the idea


i guess there arent that many religious zealots on here

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Why do they keep thinking abortion is murder? A fetus is just a little clump of cells, not even a central nervous system. So what is being murdered then? The POTENTIAL of a human?

If in that case, is being celibate also considered murder?

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Basically they're saying the whole world should be catholics in that case.

I mean if murder is to deny the potential of a human being born, then any sort of contraception is murder aswell.

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I remember when I was 16 I made a friend's mom break down because of my views on abortion. Obviously back then I was a bit of a moron who had now idea how the subject effects other people and the situations they have been in, (considering the range of reasons for an abortion). Unfortunatly, a few years later, I would be going through my own potential abortion dilema.

Now when this situation arose my views had not changed, I was still kind of against it and she knew it. We weren't the type of couple who would argue, infact I don't think we ever did, but this episode in our relationship tore us right apart - eventually I realised, "Holy shit, I'm still a student, she is too - there's no way we can go through with this", and I certainly didn't want my child being brought up by a total stanger, so I evetually gave in and my opinions changed. Though, even more misfortune was to come.

We got back together after about a month apart, everything went smoothly until she broke it to me that she never had an abortion, bombshell. We went through the pregnancy together and realised that we had to put the kid up for adoption, but we got the choice to decide what kind of parents we wanted, (i.e. would we prefer religious parents, young parents, parents who already have children etc.etc.etc.), which again changed my opinions.

The right to a choice is something that a democratized world, or more importantly Government(s), seems to think is a choice that only they can make for us, the masses. They chose to give us the right for arms, (weapons for you slow kids), yet they tell us that the right to choose whether we can destroy something that isn't even a human yet isn't for us to make. People who have the situation placed in their lives may not be responsible enough to bring the child up, but they now have the responsibility to choose whether to destroy it, or adopt and hope for a better life for it. Though, I agree with what someone said before about it being mandatory in some cases...

There's my input. Though, there are too many branches that this subject trawls off on to, don't have time, I'm off out to get laid tonight.

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wear a dome

you sir, are completely fucking useless

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no use other than being the target of trannies ridicule

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This thread can be dumbed down to this.

"ABORTITZZ TEH F3TUS"

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I'm completely for it, but my mom's strictly against it, so I can't exactly raise the issue with her.

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that too

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I just noticed the newest noob is prenatal abortion. LIKE THERE'S ANOTHER FUCKING KIND???????? People like that are the ones that should have strangled on an umbilical cord. Not really. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, but what a dummy.

Since I was adopted at birth for unknown reasons biologically, I'm glad I wasn't an abortion. (Heck, I could be Superman's sister!! Ooo!) My folks were foster parents to a little black baby girl before they got me.

A friend of mine had a baby at a too young age and she opted to have her baby adopted. But she knows where the child is. She gets photos of her occasionally for birthdays and such. When she gets to be a certain age of maturity in her teen years she'll find out that she had been raised by someone else and all the factors involved. I kind of don't agree with not saying it from the beginning, but that's because of my own personal issues with it.

I met a guy in ccw class that was found in a dumpster in NYC and adopted by a couple who were attorneys. He's a wonderful person, but his roots have hung over his head his whole life.

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haha, wacking off and flushing your cum down is murder cause youre killing all those little potential humans. ive murdered 500,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 potential humans!

How do have any time for metaltabs or music if you're doing that? Those aren't humans yet. They're just bait.

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hence the "potential" part . i wouldnt count on that number being accurate

you would have no clue if you were aborted

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That's true. But if it was due to something other than a normal birth that allowed me to be born I'm glad that I was allowed to live. Whoever delivered me didn't terminate the birth for whatever reason. Mom said I came straight from the hospital at 3 days old, but that's all we know.

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adoptions fine as the last ditch resort but if you can abort it, do it

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haha, my girlfriend swallowed potential humans yesterday.

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hahaha nice. So did my sock

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hey, let's not forget post natal abortion!



Yeah, but what if your daddy wore a jimmy hat?

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Personally, I think this is just another domestic issue that won't dramatically change America as much as the big issue we are having with Iraq and the middle east. It's just another one of those things, like gay marriage or legalizing marijuana, that politicians and extremists have gathered together to bitch about, whether they should be allowed or not. All it does is add more conflict and stress on the lives of Americans. All the energy wasted on these issues should be spent on stuff like trying to end all conflict in the middle east. Hard job? Yes. That's why the government should pay attention to it instead of women's uterus's or their fucking bibles.

I'm not saying the issue of abortion isn't important. I think that people make too much of a big fucking deal. Either they are a moral bible-hugging Christian Radical whose argument is always "The sanctity of life" or that God forbids it, or they are some beft winged extremists who are just as bad but from a different direction.

But enough of that. Despite my beliefs on how much of an issue this isn't, I think a woman should be allowed to decide what to do with her child. Her reasons are her own, and it's no one else's business. I think this "Sanctity of life" is bullshit and is one of the biggest contradictions in the world. Life is not sacred. If life were sacred, would we be thinking of new and effective ways to kill each other? Thinking of new and effective ways to kill ourselves? Killing animals? Even bacteria, germs, viruses, tumors, and all of the above are our targets for extermination. There doesn't seem to be anything sacred there.
Even if there were a sanctity of life that God created, not everyone believes in God, and even some who do believe in him have mixed beliefs about him. So the arguement that "God Forbids it" can't hold too much ground.

how late in a term can you perform abortion?

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www.yahoo.com -----> your answer

...And there goes another potential intelligent discussion. This seems to occur a lot here.

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Really?

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the bush administration has been after planned parenthood ever since day one, trying to cut thier funding,changing the way they recieve funds, making abortion a states rights issue etc.

this shit can go down in places like south dakota, wisconsin, mississippi,ultra conservative states, but wont stand a chance on either coasts as of today. i doubt there will be a full ban on abortion nationwide soon.

as far as the news here i havent heard shit, noone seems outraged, its just happening. mainly because noone thinks bans like this will occur where im at i suppose. nowadays anythings possible

Nah...

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Quit fucking around.

I'm pretty sure you can only legally perform an abortion until the end of the first trimester. In America. In China you can stick a needle in the soft spot on the baby's head when it's crowning. Of course, in China you can sometimes kill the baby years after birth.