This is the antidote to the People Who Deserve Hate And Suffering thread.

Why?

Because every now and then, you come across people who need a special hug for being, well, special.

This gentleman, for example, deserves all kinds of props.

Reproductive rights and fatherhood have been very poorly explored as an issue in general. Regardless of what happens in his case, the above man is doing your penis a favour.

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Wooo amen brother!

It is really a crock of shit, how the system works. I'm glad someone is finally being listened to.

Did you hear about the woman who had her ovaries removed due to cancer, and wants to use embryos they saved from her ex husband to impregnate her?
They decided to have embryos saved so after the operation they would be able to have a baby, but they split up. I think 2 years passed and now she wants to use the embryos, its her last chance to have a baby.

And since they are divorced, the ex husband is obviously like fuck that. Theres a big fuss going on about it.

Its really the same kinda thing, its fucked up

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So... they fertilised the embryos and cryo'd them... then the ovaries come out... then they split up... then she wants to have his baby?

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Bingo. Obviously he objected to it, I mean someone you dont like is choosing to have your child, years after it ended... They went to court over it too, im pretty sure that the Guy won the case though. And rightfully so, thats so fucked up. She was saying "This is my only chance to have my own baby.", which is a valid point, but it is also his baby.

I would have been really pissed if they had let her go forward with it.

Heres an article http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...ernational/home

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If he had no financial responsibilities for the child and didn't mind that his child wasn't being raised by himself then I could see that he wouldn't mind the proceedure, but I think it would be hard for some men to know that there's a child with their genes that is not a part of their life. Once they were divorced, unless it was otherwise worked out, then she shouldn't have the right to use it. The divorce contract severs ties including that.

I think it's pretty ridiculous that a state over here can go against a mother's request that she doesn't want child support from a father and they demand it. It can really screw things up even when it's an amicable situation.

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male activists, hein...

i bet they don't shave their legs and armpits.

haha, probably not, no.

If I got a woman pregnent and say would I want an abortion..and she ends up having it and raising it..I'd be pretty damn pissed. I think the abortion rule should be decided with rock, paper, scissors..best two out of three.

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So... this is the oposite of the of the People You Hate thread?

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yeah im guessing so...we need the equilibrium (sp?)

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Possible adverse affects: relying on a claim that men should have rights equivalent to abortion in the interests of equal protection can easily lead to the argument, in this goddamn country at least, that perhaps it would be best if neither party had such rights. Anti-abortion folks are stunningly opportunistic (much like any other 'activist') and equally dense, so I wouldn't be surprised to see such an argument spring up, though there's not much reason to expect that this would work any better than their last shallow, stupid attempt to force abortion out when another issue was at hand (Schiavo).

On the other hand, it's pretty appropriate that a man should not be forced into paying for a mistake just because he can't abort his own pregnancy. Go 'male activists.'

Umm..things I love.....THE SLAUGHTER OF KITTENS!!

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My exact fucking thoughts.

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shit, i didnt even know there were mens rights avtivists

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Hopefully these guys will actually get somewhere with this, but I'm pretty skeptical that it'll turn out that way. Most people seem to think that "equal opportunity" means helping all of the minorities (yes I'm including women in that) out while shitting on white males.

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someone posted a link to a article that said (and gave clear examples) how modern schooling is completly pro-female. the learning environments, the lesson plans, even the pace are meant for girls to succeed and it showed that males learn very differently than females

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Feminisation of boys....
And it's true....half the boys here under 20 cry like bitches.

Whatever happend to GUYS?
Now days...they're all little trannys

Wow, Florida must suck. I hate it already. Move.

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I definitely saw it in effect once I got out into the real world. I'm from a small little hick town in PA, so we're stuck in the past, so it hasn't really taken effect here yet. Here if a guy acts feminine, he gets beat up, but even that's starting to change. When I moved to Boston for 4 months, I couldn't believe how most guys had such feminine qualities, and how it was accepted as the norm. I never really thought about this before, but now that it's been pointed out to me, I'm really starting to see it.

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there are worse problems with our schools than who its geared too. seriously

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Great, another blow to manhood...now were all whiny little pricks. People have children, it's not a bad thing. You have to know the consequences of your actions at all times. There are two possible unwanted outcomes of fucking the blonde chick at the end of the bar. A child and some slimy green shit coming out of your dick.

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Whiny is hardly the term to be used. They are using the court like gentleman, rather than bitch and scream and kill everyone.

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thats my favorite method.

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Fucking WOW.

This is ten kinds of awesome. These people deserve some kind of medal.

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cool, but nerdish. what if i'm sleepy, will it type "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"???

haha wow thats awesome...i could just picture it in 10 years, factory production, and then someone will make a virus and be able to control people

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holy shit. amazing. and experimenting with it for driving too! i wonder if that would turn out safe or not. i like the fact that they said the commands would be instant. imagine how much we could get typed up just by thinking it. this topic definately needs an update here when the next advance occurs.

See, that just points out the limitations. People don't think enough before writing as it is. If even the act of writing is separated this could lead quickly to our being directly engaged with other peoples' minds. And other people, as shown by the internet as it is, are often fucking retarded, emotionally idiotic cunts.

The keyboard has already ruined writing. When english teachers have to remind their students that "ur" and "lol" are not words, you know humans have fucked up somewhere. Or when people type something and hit spellcheck and just go with whatever the computer tells them, without thinking about why it should be changed...

Making things easier is not the answer.

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Yes. Though I think 'ur' came from text, excuse me, txt messaging. I don't think the keyboard has ruined it, but it's definitely too easy with these shitty goddamn word processors. Microsoft Word has gone from being mildly irritating to about as pleasant to use as am industrial strength scrotal eviscerator. I wonder if it's to blame for all the homonym confusion and straight-up shitty grammar I see these days.

nah. Word also allows you to make 50 page reports on nuclear energy and it's advantages to society or an history essay on the Nazi Germany, communism in Europe and why Japan joined WW2, both with perfect grammar and spelling (just examples of stuff i had to do).

replacing "gun" with "Word":

"Word doesn't kill. people do."

Word does not give you perfect grammar. The programming for it is incredibly myopic, seemingly incapable of taking the entire sentence into account when it tries to enforce 'rules' that would make you work incoherent and far from grammatically correct. Same with spelling, if you're not careful enough to check what it either offers as a replacement or automatically replaces your word with. The dictionary is ridiculously small and doesn't include a lot of the technical terms I have to use on a weekly basis. And, after all of this, it doesn't catch a lot of common mistakes. This doesn't come close to a complete list of my problems with it, but over all of them is the fact that a machine should not do your thinking, even your grammatical thinking, for you.

Though, if you were working in Portugese, the programming might be different. For English, the shit sucks and is an unending frustration. I need to start using something else.

It isn't word itself that pisses me off, but anyone who lets technology do the thinking for them. Word just happens to be a prime example.

At the rate technology is going, there will come a day when we won't have to talk to anyone in person. Mailmen will be obsolete. Telephones will be no more. I mean come on, they have machines that can breathe for you! How much more automation do we need in society?

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i wasn't talking in the sense of "Word giving us correct grammar" but the user himself giving Word the proper grammar.

even in Portuguese, Word is atrocious. but if you know the language, there's no need to use Word's own correcting and spell-checking capabilities. if you know what you're writing, then Word's warnings can be ignored.

thus, making Word a (good) tool for essays and such similar works.


edit: this post was in reply to PST.

Therein lies the problem.

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Word pisses me off because it does the reverse of its supposed purpose. It's not only a bad idea, it's a bad idea that does damage to people's understanding of grammar and spelling if they believe this is actually 'correct,' and is an obstruction to the writing I need to do. Basically it dumbs down in two ways, by make shit too easy and by getting it all wrong.

The machines that breathe for you are a good thing. They're not there for people who're just too damn lazy to breathe. The problem is not the level of automation so much as the uses to which it is put. Anyway, if we want to keep complaining about this we might want to move the discussion to the hate thread.

That doesn't make Word any better than a notepad, which doesn't even underline my words with wavy green and red lines. But the problem is that most people aren't forced to learn the language because they've grown up with Word and believe it to be correct.

AH! AHA!

This is the first time in a long, long time where I find myself in mostly-agreement with an academic conservative. Moreso than the message, saying this kind of thing is a good way to get into lots of fucking trouble. Mansfield's contemporaries are American intellectuals - that is to say, some of the most sissified beige people who ever drew on a cardigan.

In conclusion, men are awesome.

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Hardly a 'little' hero.

More like 'a great big fucking unstoppable monster'.

Yay monsters.

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True, but when you've got a position such as the one the article suggests Mansfield has, and, more importantly, when you have tenure, having the balls to say something controversial is just a matter of having balls at all. Most don't, and academia eats shit as a result.

However, the 'maddeningly imprecise' definition he uses of 'manliness' strikes me as being a little too reminiscent of Otto Weininger, and nobody wins points with me when he claims that the Nietzschean Superman isn't tempered with a bit of mercy. Achilles spends most of The Iliad whining like a spoiled child because of a minor slight, but is apparently the 'manly hero par excellence'? Fuck that.

I think shit like this needs to be said, especially within the Academic community in this country, but you'd do best to get things right rather than just be contrary. It seems to be endemic among academics that being forcefully contrary is more important than being right, and it's always troubling to see it happening on some subject about which I have some kind of strong opinion.

You should have heard what Neo said about this.

Rude isn't even close.

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psh dont have sex unless your willing to deal with the responsibilities, if he didnt want to risk having kids, he should have remained abstinent. So he had his fun and now he wont take responsibility for that? ridiculous. He would rather kill someone than own up to his actions, hmmmm.

edit:

I forgot to mention that I applaud male activists getting out there.

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Yep

Not in a sexual way though.

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I bet that Mansfield guy likes to hang out at the YMCA when it's crowded.
And I bet his wife told him repeatedly that they should hire a housekeeper so she'd be freer to do what she needed to do otherwise. Then once he started he saw that he couldn't play golf as well with dishpan hands so they hired someone.

He sounds like a turd. Gary Cooper, pfft. Cary Grant was where it was at.

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She told him that she was incapable of getting pregnant. That makes a huge difference in his being forced to take responsibility for it. And, moreover, he's not asking to have the baby killed; he's just asking not to be forced into paying for it. Again, a huge difference. Did you even read the goddamn article or are you just spouting bullshit because it's the hour you do that?

Carey Grant and Gary Cooper aren't comparable.

true, i didnt consider how hard it might actually be to think out straight and coherent sentences as they are automatically typed before you.


actually, the way it is explained, she had her fun. if she purposely told the guy she couldnt get pregnant, the fault is enteirely hers. after being led to believe she couldnt, why would he feel any concern with pulling out unless she requested it for any other reason.

Maybe she thought she was. I had an aunt and uncle, legally married that adopted 2 boys over a period of a few years, and then she got pregnant twice and had 2 girls.
Maybe this guy should get a paternity test while he's at it though.

I know they're different, PST. Cary was a hottie.

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true, but in order to state that she couldnt get pregnant, she must have had some tests done. IF she did, the test was obviously wrong, but does that still make it his fault/responsibility? for some reason i would feel that the people with the unreliable test would be somewhat responsible, though that is a little rediculous. one reason im on the guy's side is because i have a friend whos baby's mom does NOT want him to have to pay child support, yet he is forced to.

What??

YES in a sexual way!

What are you, gay??

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My son's baby's mom was the same way, but the state of California said otherwise. And then they took driving priviledges away cuz he was behind in support due to not being able to find a job. He's responsible for medical, too. My son was going to accept the responsibility anyways, but it was out of their hands. And it's darned expensive even for the minimum in California.

Yeah, I do feel the guy got a bum rap. It might have been a justifible mistake or she might have been lying to him. Maybe, if she really thought she couldn't, she's not feeling any better than him. What's done is done.

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its a raw deal. if she honestly thought she couldnt, i hope for the sake of both of them, and similar cases, men get more of a say on this subject when they truly deserve it.

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I don't know where you're from, but here in PA, you have to file for child support to receive it. Also, if she really didn't want to him pay, she could give the money back to him every week.

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Hahahahahahaha!

The best writer on Wired (The Luddite) delivers a good squared-up kick in the vagina to the worst writer on Wired, the execrable Regina Lynn and her fucking annoying sex column.

That needed to be said. I am going to smile a lot now.

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"Or the local glory hole gets padlocked by the Health Department."

That's fucking beyond hilarious

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im no damn expert on child support payments, but i seriously doubt its that easy to work around it. after typing that i decided to look it up. this is from Wikipedia:

"In Massachusetts, for example [1], it is the responsibility of the custodial parent alone to pay the first $100 in all uninsured medical costs for each child, per year."

"Child support laws vary around the world. Some jurisdictions sort the arrangements out directly between the parents. Others involve the state collecting child support payments as though it were a tax"

i really dont want to read anymore of that page, but im just saying, i really dont think its that easy to avoid.

AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA

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Well no, you pretty much can't AVOID it, but let's say a couple gets a divorce, but they agree child support isn't necessary. If the wife doesn't file for it, the husband won't be required to pay. At least that's how I THINK it works. But most people won't turn down free money.

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damn. id probably go into hiding or something

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yeah man, i really dont know about this stuff. i asked my mom, she said if you have a job that deducts it from your paycheck automatically, then theres nothing you can do about it. but then that still doesnt explain why the other person couldnt just give it back. probably like you said, most people wont turn down free money. i guess even if she didnt want him to pay, you cant deny the expenses she has to pay for the child.

Hell yeah, kid! Stick it to those fucking hippies!

From his website:

"The following is a list of just a few of the procedures and drugs made possible by animal research:

Vaccines:
Anthrax
Chicken Pox
Cholera
Influenza
Hepatitis A and B
Measles
Mumps
Polio
Rabies
Rubella
Smallpox
Tetanus
Whooping Cough
Yellow Fever

Medications:
Insulin
Penicillin
Streptomycin
Anti-inflammatory drugs
Various painkillers
Chemotherapy

Devices
Pacemakers
Artificial Hearts/valves
Artificial Hips
Artificial Knees

Transplants:
Heart
Kidney
Liver"

Well, tree-hugging fucknubs, if you're really up for supporting your cause, cross the above off your support list. Let's see your commitment to this premise!

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sounds good to me, onward with animal testing!!!

Animal rights people take advantage of all that stuff because doing so makes it possible for them to live on and continue the good fight to prevent other things from being cured by animal testing. It's totally not hypocritical and makes perfect sense. I don't see why nobody else is on board with this.

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What a great idea.

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Regardless, he's still a knob.

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My thoughts exactly.

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Some women bloggers are very cranky about this whole men's right issue.

The part which seems notoriously absent from all the screeching is this:

The man is alleging he was repeatedly lied to.

It's not an issue of male autonomy over women's reproductive rights in general, regardless how the male activists or the harpies want to paint it, it's a very specific situation.

"He contends that the woman knew he didn't want to have a child with her and assured him repeatedly that - because of a physical condition - she could not get pregnant."

God knows what that says about the nature of their relationship.

Of course, it's not legally worth a pint of warm shit, but I can't help but think about the motives of the woman. Two very different scenarios could be equally true on the information given, which change the perspective entirely:

1) She honestly thought she could never, ever get pregnant and was competently advised as such. She understands fully that he didn't want a child, but it was a damn miracle she got pregnant at all and she was as shocked as he was, but in a very different way. That being said, there's absolutely no chance she's going to abort the fetus and take the Powerball-length odds of getting pregnant again. After that decision has been made, child support is law and there's very little she can do about it, even if she wanted to. Obviously she'd want to care for her child as best as possible. How could you possible judge the woman harshly in this situation?

2) She misrepresented partially or entirely, and has a condition where it's unlikely (rather than impossible) that she'll get pregnant or has no condition at all. Worst case scenario, she's a duplicitous mentally infirm bitch who quite literally tricked a baby out of this man. She knew he didn't want kids and she knew there was a risk of getting pregnant but told him there wasn't. In this case, the man has been thoroughly victimised by paternity.

The bottom line is, of course, that the man will be forced to take responsibility for his penis and what it does, regardless of the circumstances. Legally the intent of the woman is moot, and the court will almost certainly deliver a ruling couched in the child's best interests, rather than either of the parents.

And the bottom of the bottom line is, of course, that human stupidity is still legal, common and pernicious.

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I love how self righteous having a blog makes people.

FBS is right. The guy will lose in court, and have to pay money to some lying bitch.

I also love how everyone is a minority except white men.

Silly world we live in isn't it?

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It's not silly that 'everybody is a minority except for white men.' That's just a statistic and can't be one thing or the other (though it does set up the fun little paradox that everybody who is not a member of a minority is, by that fact, a member of a minority. Fun Bertrand Russel Style). What's silly is that everybody gets preferential treatment but white men, at least in the legally mandated, equal rights sense (in the old boy's club sense, white men tend to do well). But it's not like he'd get any more sympathy if he were black. Less, actually.

There's a case in Chicago of a doctor using oral sex to collect a man's semen and have herself artificially inseminated (I'm assuming, though I don't know as much as I apparently should know about it, that she didn't let him shoot in her mouth). She's sueing too. This will probably not work out in her favor, but none of that will help Mr. Reverse-Fucked in Michigan. What he should do is go to Canada and live off his American dollars for decades.

SUCK ON THAT, SOUTH DAKOTA NO-ABORTION FAGGOTS!

In other news, the name Cecelia Fire Thunder is almost as awesome as the woman herself.

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Awesome. That must be a kick in the crotch for Dakota anti-abortionists. (No pun intended)

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purely awesome

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Ouch...ouch.

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Oooohhh fuck.

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"The original plan was to steal a koala - that's what they were going to use to swap [for] the drugs,'' Mr Kemp said.

"[But] apparently [the koala] scratched the shit out of them.''

"The blokes have quite a lot of scratches and lacerations caused by the koala.''

The thieves then decided to take a crocodile instead.

"I don't know what makes someone go, 'Oh we tried to steal a koala and that didn't work so lets go and steal a croc.'"

"The people who did it must have been quite stupid. It's the last thing I wound have thought a member of the general public would try to steal for drugs.''

No kidding.

I love my country.

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haha, they should incorporate that story into a film.

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i love it too

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Okay, so they're not little...

They're still heroes.

Powerlifting, nosebleeds, Lamb of God, Slayer, Vader... some things were born to be together.

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Thats the most manly video ive ever seen.

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