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Old 2006-02-16, 19:37
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Why do drug dealers live with their mothers?

I got this from another forum, where someone paraphrases a part of the book Freakonomics, by Levitt & Dubner. Makes for a interesting read:

"In one section they examine the financial makeup of a crack gang. Levitt had previously worked on a paper with a sociologist called Sudhir Venkatesh. Venkatesh had done a lot of research on a Chicago gang called the Black Disciples. In the course of this he had managed to get access to the financial records of the group over a 4 year period during the early 90s.

The resulting analysis makes for fascinating reading:

The group was organised much like a McDonalds franchise. There was a 20 man board of directors who received 20% of the income from any chapter they permitted to operate.

Each franchise was headed up by the neighbourhood boss. He had three staff members (An enforcer, a treasurer and a runner - think procurement specialist). below these three were between 25 and 75 'street soldiers' who were the actual guys on the corners selling. Below these guys were up to 200 rank and file who paid dues to be attached to the gang and for a potential future chance to become a soldier.

The income for the gang was split between crack sales, protection rackets (including dealers in other drugs) and dues from rank and file members.

In the third year the numbers added up like this:

Drug Sales $24,800
Dues $5,100
Protection $2,100
TOTAL $32,000

The outgoings stack up like this:

Cost of drugs $5000
Franchise fee $5000
Mercenaries $1300
Weapons $300
Misc $2,400
TOTAL $14,000

The mercenaries fee was for when they brought in guys to shoot people and the misc. expenses are for things like funerals, welfare payments to members families and community events.

That leaves money for wages - $18k. These expenses break down thus:

Gang Leader $8,500
3 Officers $2,100
All soldiers $7,400
TOTAL $18,000

That means that the gang leader was earning about $66 an hour, an officer $7 and a soldier $3.30 - less than minimum wage. By contrast the guys at the top of the chain (the board of directors) earned about $500,000 a year. These guys were at the top of a pyramid of about 5,300 waged employees and about 20,000 unpaid members.

So the guy at the bottom of the chain - the street soldier was earning $3.30 an hour. Levitt calculated the following risks for a person who was a soldier over all 4 years:

Arrested 5.9 times
Wounded 2.4 times
Killed .25 times - that's a 1 in 4 chance of being killed. By comparison the most dangerous legal job in the US was as a timber cutter. This gave a 1 in 200 chance of being killed.

So the question Levitt asked - why do drug dealers live with their Moms was answered - because they can't afford not to."

So the moral of the story? You're better off getting a job at Burger King than selling drugs on the streets, kids!
 
Old 2006-02-16, 19:41
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Old 2006-02-16, 19:59
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"Why do drug dealers with with their mothers?"

Becuase blizzard_beast makes pointless threads.
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Old 2006-02-16, 20:04
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ive heard a ton of stuff about the book freakenomics. which makes me skeptical of its legitimacy
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Old 2006-02-16, 20:35
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That's interesting..pretty crazy shit..but I know for the most part that shit doesn't happen here..not enough people to partake in that.(Maritime Provinces standpoint)

Organized crime is quite fascinating.
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Old 2006-02-16, 20:41
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Bullshit. I seriously doubt anyone involved in something that illegal would just let the whole fucking world know how their business runs.
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Old 2006-02-16, 20:41
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ive heard a ton of stuff about the book freakenomics. which makes me skeptical of its legitimacy


What've you heard?

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Bullshit. I seriously doubt anyone involved in something that illegal would just let the whole fucking world know how their business runs.


Indeed, but the guy just managed to get access to the files. The gang might've been brought down or something. Eh, I dunno.
 
Old 2006-02-16, 20:47
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ive heard a ton of stuff about the book freakenomics. which makes me skeptical of its legitimacy


Yes, considering the kids who sell drugs in my area are 'well off,' so to speak. The guys who sell pot usually make at least $5-10 on each sale, and this is really just during school hours. Figure in around 5-10 sales per day, and you are looking at $50-100 per day, give or take some of that.

I'd have to work 7 hours on my wages to earn that much, and they manage it during school hours, and not doing any real work.

So I'm gonna say that the legitimacy of this has been disproved for the most part. Anyone selling crack in an urban area is probably making more than that unless they are being forced into selling.

I dunno, thats just my thoughts on the topic.
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Old 2006-02-16, 20:56
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Why do drug dealers live with their mothers?

Because you touch yourself at night
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Old 2006-02-16, 20:57
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To the weed dealers up here it is usually sold for $5-6(for the standard good shit) a gram from the bigger guys..then they turn around and sell it for $10cdn a gram..obviously dropping prices(2-$15,3-$25,4-$35,5-$40, ect)
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Old 2006-02-16, 20:59
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Yes, considering the kids who sell drugs in my area are 'well off,' so to speak. The guys who sell pot usually make at least $5-10 on each sale, and this is really just during school hours. Figure in around 5-10 sales per day, and you are looking at $50-100 per day, give or take some of that.

I'd have to work 7 hours on my wages to earn that much, and they manage it during school hours, and not doing any real work.

So I'm gonna say that the legitimacy of this has been disproved for the most part. Anyone selling crack in an urban area is probably making more than that unless they are being forced into selling.

I dunno, thats just my thoughts on the topic.


Thats fairly cheap, $5-$10 for a dime. Around here a lot of the local dealers sell to my friend for about $15-$30 bucks a shot. It all depends on the location you live in and the supply demand bullcrap.
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Old 2006-02-16, 21:01
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Why do drug dealers live with their mothers?

Because you touch yourself at night


I do. It's quite enjoyable.
 
Old 2006-02-16, 21:01
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To the weed dealers up here it is usually sold for $5-6(for the standard good shit) a gram from the bigger guys..then they turn around and sell it for $10cdn a gram..obviously dropping prices(2-$15,3-$25,4-$35,5-$40, ect)


Alright, well, apparently its not just me seeing this. No one in their right mind would do something as dangerous/risky as selling drugs unless there was a big payoff.
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Old 2006-02-16, 21:02
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Thats fairly cheap, $5-$10 for a dime. Around here a lot of the local dealers sell to my friend for about $15-$30 bucks a shot. It all depends on the location you live in and the supply demand bullcrap.



WOW, lol fuck that shit..those prices are more expensive than E!
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I do. It's quite enjoyable.

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Goin to Psycroptic/Nile in May? I just saw it on psycroptics site. I still dont believe it is happening, so.... But if thats shit on, im there, in london... stalking you.
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Old 2006-02-16, 21:04
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Alright, well, apparently its not just me seeing this. No one in their right mind would do something as dangerous/risky as selling drugs unless there was a big payoff.




Weed there isn't that big of a payoff..unless maybe you get into the high volume selling and have dealers that buy from you..even still, most drug dealers do there own drugs..are still broke and usually live at home or in some shitty apartment that needs to be cleaned.
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Old 2006-02-16, 21:06
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Why do drug dealers live with their mothers?

Don't remembering seeing "hey, lets chat" in that subject. We have a thread for such things.

And pot isn't THAT expensive here... Usually goes for $10-15/gram depending on the quality, etc.
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Old 2006-02-16, 21:08
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Weed there isn't that big of a payoff..unless maybe you get into the high volume selling and have dealers that buy from you..even still, most drug dealers do there own drugs..are still broke and usually live at home or in some shitty apartment that needs to be cleaned.


Its a good pass time activity if you aren't stupid, and work a real job too.
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Old 2006-02-16, 21:12
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Don't remembering seeing "hey, lets chat" in that subject. We have a thread for such things.


Yeah, I guess so. Now that it's apparent no useful discussion can come of this thread, and it's becoming a mini RTT, it is pointless.

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Goin to Psycroptic/Nile in May? I just saw it on psycroptics site. I still dont believe it is happening, so.... But if thats shit on, im there, in london... stalking you.


Move your fag dance to someplace else. It'd be welcomed in your local gay bar.

Edit: One thing I forgot to mention is that the figures listed above are the average per month. So now the numbers sort of make sense.

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Old 2006-02-16, 23:58
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Point is...
Losers live with their mothers.
And some...not all but some drug dealers are losers....as are some bakers,cops,businessmen,rock stars, etc etc etc
 
Old 2006-02-17, 01:08
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This is not describing comfortable high school kids who deal pot in schools (incidentally, your figures assume they don't pay anything for the pot they sell and don't smoke any of it themselves), but rather street dealers who work on the bottom rungs of an organization. There's a huge difference between high school and college dealers and people who actually do this and only this, and it's not that street corner crack dealers make much more money.

This is a statistical approach to some numbers in police files. Regardless of the theories posed in that book (as I understand the main controversy is that he wants to apply statistical analyses to many more fields than most choose to believe can be explained in this way), UofC economists tend to know their statistics, so I doubt the numbers are wrong.

And yeah, a lot of people would do something as stupid and dangerous as sell drugs without any decent reward. I know drug dealers here in Chicago (and hey! The study is of drug dealers in Chicago!) who can't afford to live on their own, so it's not that surprising for me to find out that they don't make shit. It all operates under the expectation of everybody to move up the ranks, where they actually will make some money, or so they believe. It's a shitty capitalist pyramidal system and has been forever. This exact type of structure is described by Burroughs in Naked Lunch (I think in the 'Deposition Concerning Sickness') and really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Every single other capitalist system works in this way, and this one isn't regulated by unions or minimum wage laws, and has high overhead due to various risks. No shit the people at the bottom don't make money.
 
Old 2006-02-17, 03:44
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Old 2006-02-17, 03:54
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Bullshit. I seriously doubt anyone involved in something that illegal would just let the whole fucking world know how their business runs.

...uh, its not that they "let" people figure out how its run... its observed. its not some fuckin top secret operation completely hidden from sight... people study and see this shit daily. its not that they "let the world know", but there are people who observe such things in such ways that they obtain the information. fuck it, doesnt matter, what you said what you said just sort of got to me cause its so off base.

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Old 2006-02-17, 20:03
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If this is the kind of shit that's in that book, I'm going to stay away. Everybody already knows this crap, it's common sense.
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Old 2006-02-17, 20:47
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I've sold heroin a few times, made a good profit. Never actually done the drug myself though.


Herion has a good profit. Dealers get the bags for around $2.50 - $4 per bag and sell them for $20 a bag. A dedicated dealer can sell a brick (50 bags) in a day no problem. you guys do the math.
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