OK, so I want to learn to speak finnish, but all the sites I've been to so far are pay to learn sites, and I can't afford to spend the money to buy the materials and cd's, etc. So my question is, are there any people here who could teach me some basic stuff and/or are there any free sites where I can learn finnish? Thanks

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Don't fucking learn Finnish. You're not gr1m or tr00 by doing so. It is an irrational, futile attempt for yourself. I give it a good 90% chance you will quit within a month.

it'd be interesting to learn a finno-ugric language... Anyway, I can't help you.

well im gonna learn estonian and latvian cuz i can

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pandemonium - what the fuck? you started a thread about learning swedish and norwegian only a few months ago. dont be a fucking prick. never discourage someone from learning about a language, even if he only spends a few months on it and moves on he still took the time to develop his mind and learn a little about a different culture. you arent grim and true by learning german either, and youre the one who wanted to learn norwegian which us undeinably the gr1mmest language in the metal community.

now to the topic at hand, here are the best free sites on the web


dictionary
http://www.edu.fi/oppimateriaalit/y...mea/sanasto.htm

an explanation of the language
http://virtual.finland.fi/netcomm/n...intNWSAID=25832


the best,hands down, site for learning a foreign language ive ever seen. i wish there was a danish equivalent

http://donnerwetter.kielikeskus.hel...parts-index.htm

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I'm not being a "fucking prick". His time would be spent better on another language. I'm only trying to dissuade him from Finnish because it's highly impractical to learn unless he's looking to become a resident of the land. It's also highly difficult.

Since when was I trying to be grim by learning German or Norwegian? Where the fuck did you get that from? German isn't even a "gr1m" language; I'm studying it in school, as a MINOR, and I have plans to live there (in Germany). I'll be living there in September for a year. I also have plans to stop in Norway before I go to Germany again, so that's why I want to know basic Norwegian. My reasons are rational. Also, I'm obsessed with language. I'm going to do Spanish next -not remotely a gr1m language.

No, it's not to be grim or brutal. It's one of the few languages I would like to learn. I had to learn spanish in school and it just wasn't anything special. I have a soft spot for nothern european languages. I have no goal on becoming 100% fluent. I just want to be able to learn some basic grammar usage and words and stuff.

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Pandemonium, spanish shouldn't be too hard for you to learn, although compared to French there are many more exceptions to rules, and spanish for some reason isn't as soothing or beautiful as other european languages.

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I want to learn Spanish mostly because it's extremely cheap to live in South America, in case I ever get in a tight spot, or just want a change.

I didn't mean to be an asshole. I'm just suggesting you look towards another language instead of the Fracas Finnish.

Yea, if you want to learn spanish, this is a great site and gives you all the basics and grammar as well as tons of useful vocabulary.

www.studyspanish.com

Cheers

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Thanks. I actually took Spanish for two years in high school but got absolutely nothing out of it.

when I first heard finnish it sounded just like I thought it would, not that thats a bad thing.

your best bet, hit up the two finns we have here
theoldman
and the other one...
latva something or other, he has a goblin or troll thing for his avatar

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There's also the Kai guy who has recently appeared, I don't know if that's who you mean, Demon.

Look in my Sonata Arctica thread in bands. There is a video of the band speaking Finnish.

I'm taking it in high school right now but I get everything i actually can use from that site.

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kai latvala is actually a brit living abroad. quite an interesting fellow

the oldman is always quite polite and friendly in helping me with my stupid finnish questions

if any of you have studied latin at all and gotten to an eleveated level youll be delighted with finnish.finnish is basically latin with different vocabulary

and its really not that hard to learn if you are meticulous. all languages have their difficult aspects and their easy aspects

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All the northern European languages shouldn't be too hard to learn if you already know your English pretty well. If you're in touch with archaisms in English, it should be even easier. But Finnish... I think you're up for a challenge. Good luck though.

Not all. Not Icelandic.

icelandic is the most closest language to the old viking languages though, which is why its harder imo. it hasnt been influenced by other languages as much

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This finnish girl i met two nights ago was a complete bitch kinda put me off the place abit but i'm sure there are decent people there.

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ive met a danish girl who was a bitch too. theyre different in northern europe...very differnet culture. they tell you what they think of things honestly and aren't very polite as americans consider it. the plus side is that theyre loyal and trustworthy for the same reasons

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ey. just give me some e-mail address or whatsoever. I can teach you some of the basic things.

the email addy is cgizzi<RemoveThisItsAntiSpam>@twcny.rr.com

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Download Rosetta Stone off a file sharing program. Get the program and then download the language pack. Rosetta is the leading software for teaching new languages as i hear. Ive got the french package... not sure what to learn after that.

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ok, ok, what the fuck are you trying to say

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am i wrong? obviously thats a generlizatoin but

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The one Danish kid I know is sneaky and disloyal. Plus he looks like a weasel.



Learn Russian. Russia's dirt cheap. Russians are gr1mmer than Norwegians. The Russian language is gr1mmer than Norwegian.

Take that humancorpse.

Yeah, but Russians HATE foreigners. I was actually considering Russian and I still am.

Learn greek one of the best languages!

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uhm...... babushka!

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Finnish, Hungarian, Norwegian, Russian, Romanian, Serbian, Estonian and Vod are all Uralic languages. The name comes from the origin within the ural mountains. The largest groups are Finnish, Hungarian and Estonian. Finnish has the same number of grammatical cases as Latin, hence the similiarities between the two. The "evil" sound of the Uralic languages comes from Palatization, a secondary pronunciation, where the tongue is tense and adds consonants to the pronunciation.

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you from greece?

human-hahah

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I thought Finnish had 22 cases and Latin had 5.

Dude... I dunno what your source is, but Norwegian, Russian, Romanian and Serbian are all undeniably Indo-European languages and have nothing more to do with the Finno-Ugric group (to be more specific than sheer Uralic) than perhaps certain loan words (more on the giving end than the receiving end from what I gather).

Nope, Russian is a Slavonic language. By the 10th century, there were three Slavonic language groups: Western, Southern and Eastern. Eastern slavonic gave birth to today's languages of Ukranian, Belorussian and Russian, however all three language groups retained many common features such as vocabulary and grammar, so they were able to be united by a common alphabet (cyrillic) a bit later on.

Polish derives from the Western Slavonic group, and is an exception (doesn't use cyrillic) along with Czech, Slovakian, and the Baltic languages of Latvian and Lithuanian, a sub-group of it's own under the "Slavic tree".

Yes, but Slavic and Baltic groups are indo-euroepean.

latin has 7 cases with about 40 usages. nominative, genitive, dative, accusative, ablative, vocative and locative. the cases (endings on a noun) are chosen according to what the USAGE will be. each case has several usages. genitive has partitive (regarding number) possession (his toga) etc. this is where the difference between finnish and latin comes in. the finns do not have usages, they just have cases. such as inessive, etc. its kind of like they chopped down a branch off the language tree and now have many more stubs.

i speak with 98% assurance regarding latin. im in college latin now. the finnish is only what i've taught myself

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Finno-Urgic is a subfamily of the Uralic languages. The other is Samoyedic. Samoyedic is your "indo-European". When I say Russian, I mean the language Vod. Votic originally comprised several dialects: Western, Eastern, Kukkusi and Latvian. It became extinct under Soviet rule.

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I'm well aware that Samoyedic is the other branch of Uralic, but Indo-European is of a class that matches Uralic, it is not a sub-branch of anything (rationally speaking). I said Finno-Ugric, because it's more specific than Uralic, even though it works just as well. I just felt like getting the Samoyedic bit out of the picture.

In your list of Uralic languages, you had Russian standing alone and Vod standing alone. You also listed Serbian, Norwegian and Romanian, which are independant from the Uralic family completely.

Anyhow, if you are interesting in refering to the Uralic family in a discussion, I suggest you read up the basics of the Indo-European family.

I feel kind of strange explaining the disposition of all these languages, while not being able to speak anything from the Uralic branch, while some of you are able to. Maybe I should try Finnish too, this 22 cases thing sounds interesting.

Whoops, I forgot to quote Kai, that wasn't directed at you.

Np... But it should be noted that the slavonic tree belongs to the indo-european megatree, just to make things clear in case Kai considers both of our posts, which in this case, aren't in conflict with eachother.

22 cases isn't interesting, its frustrating. the ends of words become quite, quite, quite long. "in my house, too" can be said with one word. i forget how to do it, but its pretty funny. also, the suomi word for "twenty first" is obscenely long

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Yeah other languages are silly but looking at it from their point of views our languages are probaly dumb to them.

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The longest finnish word has about 100 letters
I can't remember how to write it. Some professor made that.

Anyway, I'm not a good teacher, but you can PM me if you wan't to ask something.

Edit: The longest finnish word:

"kumarreksituteskenteleentuvaisehkollaismaisekkuudellisenneskenteluttelemattomammuuksissans akkaankopahan"


103 letters.

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Im from cyprus... We speak greek and we feel united with greece.. and we hate turks

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what does it mean?

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I don't know how to say it in english.

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There's only one word as a base, 'kumartaa,' which means, 'to bow.' All those other bits are just little additions and postpositions that are not independent words in Finnish.

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I thought it means "olla kumartavinaan"

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Who doesn't?

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hehehe yeap!

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