What are the differences between these two languages? Someday I want to learn both, but I must pick one to begin with. Do they have cases? Changing articles? Complicated verb systems? Whoever speaks either language, just leave some comments about it. Please.

Swedish and norwegian are similar to eachother.

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There's a bigger difference between Swedish/Norwegian and Finnish.
I think you should learn Swedish.

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Everyone is so informative.

I can`t really give you the exact differences, but swedish and norwegian both have some different words, but we can usually understand eachother. I would think norwegian would be the easiest to learn, but i can`t really say that for shure as I have not looked to deep into the swedish language. Ask transient or guitar demon. I have learned them both lots of norwegian, they might tell you how hard/ easy it was to learn norwegian for them.

Pande' --go to our other hangout and pm poetic tragedy. Tell him I told you to. I've known him about 4 years now. He's Swedish and a really nice guy. I'm sure he'd be happy to talk to you about it. He's a pretty good musician, too. I've talked to him on the phone and online, and his band played an sang for me once over the phone. I hope that helps.

I just talked to him and he said that's fine if you want to.

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Okay, mom. I will have those pictures up SOMETIME. I have over 100, it will be hard to determine which to post.

Okay. I know pictures are a hassle playing around with. I'm just teasing ya.
(wow, you called me 'mom' in a public place! shucks)

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any language will be hard, really depends how much time you want to put into learning it and how devoted you really are. personally I dont find norwegian too hard. compared to swedish I would guess there about the same. grammer wise theyre very similar if not the same alot of the words tends to be the same ect

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Is there a website for me to look at basic grammar rules? I am reaaally curious about the grammar more than anything.

this is a good site, but you kinda have to know some basic words first
http://www.stolaf.edu/depts/norwegi...ar/grammar.html

here are some differences and im going to post about danish too

read it all or dont complain


alphabet

Norwegian/Danish share the same alphabet and very similar words. the differnece lies in pronunciation

Jeg forstår ikke. in both langauges it is spelled the same way. it means i dont understand. however in danish its pronounced yai forstoh igge while in norwegian its pronounced yai forstoh ickeh. the difference in norsk and dansk is usually k and g. at besøg .... å besøk they both mean to visit. besøg is the danish

the difference between swedish and norwegian is an alphabet as well as pronunciation difference.

jag forstär inte = i dont understand. their main verb.... jag är uses different letters compared to the norwegian danish jeg er

other differences are that swedish tends to sound a bit harder. instead of "og" for and (N/D) they use Och

while the other two countries in the scandinavian title, iceland and finland, are considered nodic countries their languages are very different and cant be "group learned" like N/S/D can be.

icelandic is very VERY hard to learn and finnish is impractical to learn. they are both of different language gropus (finnish is finno-ugoric , related to estonian and hungarian) and icelandic is in its own class.


i know there are some people to correct my post here, but i think ive got it right except im not sure about the swedish forstär

anyone who wants to practice/learn the language with me feel free to contact me.

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Icelandic is a Germanic language, along with Norwegian and Swedish.

i didnt type up all that shit for you to nitpick me on a tiny part i left out

dont be an asshole


bøsser.

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I appreciate you typing it. I just didn't want people to think Icelandic was in a "class of its own". I could understand some of the words in Icelandic when I saw them written there, so while it is very difficult, it is still Germanic.

Bloedmann

i dont know know what you just called me, blood man? or are you too lazy to go alt 0 2 4 8

anyways, yes its a germanic language

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I am not too lazy, my laptop doesn't have that function. oe rather than ö is perfectly legit.

odd laptop

get the language toolbar thing if you have 2000 or xp it replaces a few buttons but its worth it especially if you cant al


and ø is usually replaced with oe in n/d

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Awesome, I just got the toolbar. Thanks for the tip.

Spaß!
Bis später!

i dont know any german at all.ill be taking it in college but i hear the grammar is very difficult. i like danish and norwegian best, i love pronouncing the words even though humancorpse can tell you my pronunciation sucks :P

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Hmm, native English speakers think EVERY language is difficult because it is a little work to learn...unless someone from another country told you this. Most people have a tough time with the case system, and no one has told me yet if there are cases in Norwegian. Verb endings are pretty easy. Yeah, people probably mean the grammar is difficult because of the case system...word order is easy to learn as well. So, does Norwegian have cases? I am sure they must, most languages in the world have cases. English is an odd exception. When you learn German, make sure to get the R from the back of your throat...if you go there, people will look at you pretty funny.

what do you mean by cases?

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One is spoke in one country, the other is spoke in the other country. There's your difference dude.

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Man, thanks a bunch.


Demon: Cases involve the genders and plural forms of the nouns. Cases affect articles, adjective endings, possesive forms, etc. and you can ask special questions to determine when to use a case. For example in German, you can use Wohin (where to) to determine if the case is Akkusativ, or Wo (where) to determine if it is Dativ. Also, special prepositions can determine a case. für den Vater is Akkusativ because of the preposition für, and mit dem Großvater is Dativ because of the preposition mit. See how the article "der" changed depending on the case (to den and dem, both mean "the" in the masculine)? That is the best short explanation I can give of what a case is.

Hooray Norway: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9085910/

You know any guys who speak norwegian or swedish ? Because if you use the language you are learning, you are learning it better and faster. Before I got internet I nearly never used the english language and now I am using it everyday. My marks in english are good now !

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Nope, unfortunetely.

ive taken 3 years going on 4 of latin so i know much about english language grammar and so learning things like the norewegain or danish grammar is very easy for me

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But do they have CASES!?

well then norwegian does have them
et, en and ei forms
et- nueder (sp)
en-masculine
ei-feminine

it can effect things like your (din)
your cup
din koppen (en kopp)
or
your glass
dit glasset (et glass)

same with my (min)
ect

with en nouns adjectives stay the same but with et words or plural words they change

jeg har en fin bil (i have a fine car)
jeg her et fint hus (i have a fine house)
jeg har fine biler (i have fine cars)

I dont know too many if any (that I know are) feminine nouns so I cant really comment on them much but they dont change adjectives unless theyre plural forms

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Ahh, that is what I was looking for, thanks. It seems easy enough since I am now familiar with this system. I think I am going to look for a good textbook as opposed to learning all through internet though. I would rather have a quality hard copy in front of me that I can bring anywhere as opposed to staring into a screen for hours. And I don't like printing out a million pages either. Transient and demon, did you learn through the net or a book?

Oh, also, I notice you have "biler" as the plural of "bil". Is there a set rule for plurals -like all plurals being "-er"- or is there basically a different plural depending on the word?

pretty much 'er' is the plural forms im sure there are exceptions but I cant think of any offhand

as for learning
I learn through websites, I got my hands one a few old "basic norwegian" books from the 50's and i chat with a few people I have met online from norway

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a case is as follows

the ending of the noun changes depending on the context in the sentence. in latin there are about 7 cases (nominative, genitive, dative, accusative, ablative, locative, vocative). further divide up in the cases are the usages. nominative has subject, genitive has possession, ablative has accompaniment, and many many more (tons of usages per case). so you have to look at the ending on the noun to see what its doing. further complicating things latin has many different endings depending on the kind of noun (1st, 2nd masculine, 2nd neuter, 3rd m/f, 3rd n, 3rd m/f i stem, 3rd n i stem, 4th m/f, 4th n, 5th)

to answer your question pandemonium to my knowledge danish norwegian and swedish DO NOT have a case system. however im positive that finnish does. another reason finnish is so difficult to learn is that finnish words can have all sorts of suffixes/prefexis that tell you what is going on, as opposed to having seperate words like english (larry went inside his small house) ( and i have no idea how to translate that).

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Woah dude, sorry to pop that bubble for you.

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Yeah, Finnish has a case system...they have 22 cases! Hmm, I think Norwegian will be pretty easy for me to learn then. Did you learn with books or the internet?

can I ask why the sudden interest in norwegian/swedish?

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as ive said several times i learned through disucssion online, forums, books and websites. although now im learning danish and only speaking norwegian with sibjørn and demon, because i have no danish online friends

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Not sudden, just the next language on my list. I am starting to get prepped is all.

Definitly because norwegian owns all

ok i got nothin better to do so i found this...dont know if its any good or correct but you might want to check it out...its free so why not
http://www.byki.com/free_lang_software.pl

Norwegian it is. I ordered a book and this language is looking pretty damn easy...like a mix of English and German with a smaller percentage of different elements. However, one thing perplexes me; it says Swedes and Norwegians "sing" when they talk...is there any recording online where I can hear some Norwegian? This is something I really need to study, as I think pronunciation will be my biggest problem with this language.

its just how they talk. youll get used to it, learn how to pronounce and soon enough youll sound sing-songy. it just happens

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I need to hear them talk first.

Here you go:
http://www.apronus.com/norskaudio/samfunnslaere.htm

The norwegian there is kinda advanced though, might be kinda hard to learn something from that. But i guess just hearing someone speak might help though.

www.speakdanish.dk has a couple clips under lessons - day 1

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if you can navigate it go to www.nrk.no and you can watch norwegian tv!

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Or www.tv2.no

Thanks a bunch.


Demon: That looks like a quality site, but first I have to figure out how to create a name and password.

Thanks for www.tv2.no, corpse.

So what is the difference between Bokmaal and Nynorsk?

Bokmål is more used in the southern parts of norway, while nynorsk is for those furher north. Many people speak variations of them though.

they were created to try and unify norway, right? bokmål translates as "book speak" or something like that... its the printed language and nynorsk is the spoken one

humancorpse feel free to correct

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Both bokmål and nynorsk are both written and spoken.

complicated......



men dansk er ikke! lære dansk!

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Fuck dansk! Dansk er gay

from what I know bokmål is the more offical one, its what most of the text books and offical documents are in and spoken more in the bigger cities

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Correct cody

Nynorsk isnt spoken.

humancorpse is from norway, I think he would know

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Well. I am from Norway too. Humancorpse is actually my friend. we play in the same band and is in the same class in school. :d

Haha another Norwegian for GD and Trans to pester!

Hehe.

ah thats awsome, you his drummer?

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No , but it is in the same way as we say we speak bokmål. Nynorsk is based on nord norsk isn`t it? And demon, he`s my bassist.

It is a mixture of several different ways of talking all over the country (except from the large cities and in sapmiland). You will find some places where they talk relatively similar to nynorsk, but it is generally used as an official replacement for bokmaal in west and some places north in Norway. It was basically made in the 19th century as an opposition to bokmaal which people thought was too danish influenced. You can still find a more original form of it some places, called Hoegnorsk, which I think is spoken as well.

geek

hehe. did you get that message by the way?

The pm? yeah and i replied. Ok enough whoring in this tread now.

So can you still understand it, or is it really different?

danish had an influence on it for a reason

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Its pretty easy to understand it. In fact I got an A on my nynorsk exam.

Ok. Never done that shit before, but yes, back to the topic.