How many people here eat meat? I don't eat meat, anymore that is. I find myself to be in better health from it as well. I don't think eating meat is wrong in a moral way. I think that eating meat may be wrong for the human digestive track. A carnivore produces it's own vitamin C, and also has a digestive track that is pretty straight. The meat is consumed and is submitted through a straight intestine...rather than a long intestine that is coiled in a fashion similar to plant eating animals.

If a human was to eat nothing but meat, they would die. Now if they were to eat nothing but fruits, would they die? Possibly, allergies and salycites(sp?) can cause serious reactions in some people.

I am not a vegan per say, I still eat vegetarian stuff sometimes. I will eventually cut all animal products out of my diet though. Not really for the cows, or chickens or anything but for myself. Sure, I save 96 animals lives by not eating meat a year(says statistics.) How many meat eaters are there?

I enjoy the health benefits. I used to do alot of cocaine, so I'll probably die in my 40's due to heart problems, the aeortic(sp?) valve specifically. Maybe this will help me make it past 27.

You forgot something: Humans aren't Carnivores. We're Omnivores.

I love meat, I eat too much of it to stop.

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mmmmmm half burnt dead cow

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You can eat half a cow?!...oO

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I love meat. There was a great article that somebody posted a while back that exploded the myth of saving animal lives by eating meat. It was about a year ago. Does anybody remember it? I think it might have been a Maddox article.

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Over summer I lived on protein, bread and sugar. Mainly sugar.

Needless to say, I lost somewhere in the region of 10kg in about 3 weeks - and by the end of this little stint I was totally fucked up [it might also be worth noting that I was eating about 1/3 of what I normally would and was working 8 - 9 hours a day]. So when you parents say eat your vegies, there is a good reason.
Though I do believe that eating meat is good for the human body. If you look at professional athletes eating lists, depending on what they do they eat a varying ammount of meat - people like body builders eat heaps and heaps of chicken, and stuff like that - though Im no expert on specific diets. Jim might know more about body builder diet sort of things.

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One thing I've heard in a film that rings sooooo fuckin' true. Samuel L Jackson in pulp fiction....

"My girlfriend is vegetarian so that kinda makes me one too"

That is sooooo fuckin' correct and all too frustrating. I think I went a year without meat at one point in my last relationship. Thank fuck my current girlfriend isn't.....ooooh I couldn't get anywhere without my Ristoranté pizza specials, or tesco own brand cheese burgers or those BBQ chickens they have.

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mansley - yeah, it was a maddox article. about the wheat harvesting and stuff

i like meat. im going to eat meat my whole life unless some kind of problems. i dont like people that dont eat meat

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I love meat.
if you dont want to eat meat, for whatever reason, thats fine, but i dont think it will help your health.
I know a lot of vegetarians, and they all seem slightly whispy and delicate.
I also happen to think that its almost as detrimental to your sense of humour as being a librarian.

did anyone hear about Gordon Ramsey?
he found a vegetarian on the street, and gave him some pizza. and then told him it had parma ham in it.
I laughed so much untill I realised how nasty it was. then I started laughing again.

I also think it moronic to not eat meat for the sake of animals.
I also think it to suffer in order to be healthier, but like I said, do as you please.

a quote which sums my opinions on this subject:
"you know im gonna to loose"
"and gamblings for fools"
"but thats the way I like it baby, I dont wanna live forever!"

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Gordon Ramsey: A cunt in the best possible way (well, except....).

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the thing about eating meat is that people eat way to much of it. and also you're eating trace amount of growth hormones,antibiotics in it. whenever i read some vegan agitprop pamphelet they go way overboard on this fact, citing all cancer to eating meat. i do however agree that its an issue of agriculture as well as diet.

70% of agriculture in the us grows grain for feeding livestock, thats fucking absurd.

I like meat and i eat a bit too much of it I think but I am healthy. I heard that it isn't good to eat no meat.
But anyway, that's life : eat or get eaten . It was so, it is so and it will be so.

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Almost every day for the past two weeks I've been home, I've eaten nothing but fried chicken, nuggets, hamburgers, and wendy's meatless salads.
I consider myself to be in great condition.

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Somebody remembers! Very interesting read.

My ex was a vegetarian but it didn't bother her if I ate meat.

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I eat meat, but I don't think people should do it to the extent we do today. People need to eat more vegetable products, I know how I sound like but its a good mix of meat and vegetables that gives the best health. And meat isn't the only source for protein either.

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I eat a good amount of meat, and will admit I am horrible at eating vegtables. Makes you feel alot better if you eat vegtables also, which I have not done in a while. I need to do that.

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I eat whatever I want as long as I don't have too many sweet foods or fatty foods. I try to exercise plenty every day. That's how I stay healthy.
You've got an interesting statement about the unhealthy meat thing. But I'm not sure I'd want to give up the meat in my daily routine. My father worships food--especially fatty foods and sweet foods. So he'd refuse to let me live such an evil life style.
And I'm not sure if you save animals lives if you don't eat the meat. They kill 'em anyway. So you're probably just wasting their deaths. But just like you, I don't care about the animals that much. We need murder. And if we can't kill each other, we should at least be able to slaughter animals.
In conclusion to my open thoughts on a green page, I don't know where I stand. I can respect anyone who cuts the meat out of their diet, yet I probably wouldn't do such a thing unless I had some sort of disease/disorder that prohibited me from eating it. Good luck on the long road without a slab of juicy meat. Hope you don't resort to cannibalism.

Kill the animals! Eat their flesh and organs! Long live our incorrect assumtion of human superiority!

In the seventies a plane expedition crashed in snowy mountains. People either froze to death or starved to death. The survivors ate only raw human flesh of the deceased.

They carried this on for several months. And they hiked across snowy mountains, fed on rations of raw meat. Finally they were rescued and they wrote books about it.

Point is, if you can eat raw flesh while stranded on snowy peaks for several months, then living on meat will not kill you. We are indeed omnivores : We have a unique digestive system. Vegans may argue that we were made for processing plant life, but they fail to explain our small appendix, single stomach, etc. as opposed to the multiple-organed digestive systems of actual herbivorous animals. Our digestive systems are closer to carnivorous animals than herbivorous animals.

A vegan will tell you that "u can gets ur proteinnzzz!" on a vegan diet, but mind you it will consist of solely soy protein. If you read about Soy, you'll find its not the most robust of protein, with estrogen producing effects. Ask any bodybuilder/powerlifter what they think of soy protein ... A vegan who does not compromise him/herself by obtaining a synthetic or animal byproduct of Vitamin B12 will suffer malnutrition.

ok that's not healthy, i would agree !

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I love steak, and seafood.

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damn steaks are the best, I want one , now !

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I love MEAT...beef, pork, chicken are my favs.

I have an argument to go against the Vegan theory that consuming animals goes against the animals "rights"

The cow for example....
By being a tastey animal.....it's survival is guaranteed.
There are more cows alive today than ever in human history.
I'd rather live a short life than live no life at all.

Also...most Vegans in my experiance are simply upper middleclass morons that have guilt issues and attach themselves to an "cause" for making them feel better about themselves.

Simply my opinion....but could care less if Suzy Q Moron cries for the cows at night in her bed.

FIRE UP the grill.....and pass the flesh!!!!

And thus, meat eaters are providing jobs for 70% of all US farmers.

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I love meat. I am a skinny fuck as it is and if i tried going on a non meat diet I would waste away. For me the tast is what makes it right. I would miss the taste so much. Plus I dont think i would be any healthier if i didnt eat meat because I smoke.

Fuck yeah Steaks are god.

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Its all about a nice rare steak, or a take-away curry!

Humans are naturally omnivorous. This means we are biologically designed to eat both plant and animal matter. There is nothing morally wrong with filling your biological role, nor is there anything physically unhealthy about eating what you are biologically designed and instinctually driven to eat.

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Are you turning into one of those emo fags? All of them at my school are vegetarian and they spray-paint "meat is murder" everywhere.

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I'm having STEAK and mushhrooms for dinner!!

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I had a cheapy lunchmeat Turkey Sandwich and a coke.


I wanna steak too...T-Bone god damnit!

Hahahahaha \m/ \m/

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I had that for lunch at my mom's today. Very good.
But I also went to the doc today and he told me the results of my last choleserol test. My good was 10 points too low and the bad 10 too high. He told me to eat more broiled fish, skinless white chicken, and not so much red meat. Cut out sweets and fast food. I hardly use salt on anything. A lot of that stuff I do anyway and have for years, but I'm going to up my exercise and eat another scoop of oatmeal with my OJ in the morning. The combo is good for choleserol. I'm wondering, and I'm going to mention it next time I go, if the production might be a hereditary thing.
Watch that stuff when you're young so it isn't harder to deal with when you're my age. I won't cut out red meat totally, but when I buy ground beef I get the 85% lean now.

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Coming from you it makes sense to cut out and whatnot. Coming from my doctor I think he should go to hell or something like that.

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yes, i eat meat. i eat lots of burgers and lots of shitty food. when you get old, you're supposed to die. to me old is anything past 35, so i think i will live a complete life, as far as im concerned.

Eat some meat you fucking hippie.

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Someone ought to put that in their sig line.

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I've only known one super healthy vegetarian and he worked out all the time, drank lots of milk, ate cheese, and took supplements. Despite all of that he had a short attention span, poor memory, and glassy eyes.

I've known several vegans and they were all pale, weak, slow-witted, and sheep-eyed.

In order to have "the eye of the tiger" you need to eat meat as far as I can tell. It is the ultimate brain food.

I knew a vegan who was a complete and total moron. What's hilarious is that she was transexual ( female to male ), demanded that I refer to her in a male context and what's even worse, claimed that she was a gay male ( yes, it makes no sense ). She would berate me, saying that eating meat is unnatural, and then brag that she only had x amount of dollars left to save for her gender re-assignment operation. I swear that I have not made any of this up.

Don't you mean 'he'?

Anyway, the homemade hamburgers are about 20 minutes away.

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I cut meat for a living, so naturally, I dislike vegetarians, vegans, hippies, PETA, and anyone else who says meat is bad for you. I didn't climb to the top of the food chain to eat carrots god damn it.
Do any of you vegans out there really think that the human race would have gotten half as far as it has if we weren't carnivorous? I'll bet you the guy who invented the wheel did so after a good haflway raw, bleeding fucking steak. Buggs Bunny only eats carrots and look at him, he's always getting shot at. Do you really wanna grow up to this kind of a life? Didn't think so. Now, eat some meat, you god damned hippie.

On a more serious side, though, if you choose not to eat meat for whatever reason, I respect your decision, just don't try to sell me your bullshit philosophy and I'll keep my butcher knife a safe distance from your fragile little vegan throat.

i work at a fried chicken joint.its called wings to go, we have buffalo sauce called "homicide" "suicide" it is by far the most unsanitary place i ever worked at, i can bitch out the customers, eat all i want, unplug the phone if customer calls piss me off. it total anarchy at night, people fighting, bikers,gangsters, everyones usually wasted,rude, just itching to fuck with you or the other dirtbag waiting in line

i cant wait till someone combines hard drugs,genetic manipulation,cannibalism and fast food

like they would invent new creatures in a lab, destroy them, fill them up with codeine,prozac and anabolic steriods and make burgers and shit, adrenal glan soup thats actually radioactive,human hotdogs.all the food has to fuck up your dna in some form, cause random mutation and all the drugs will have to be in trace amounts that the customers dont know about,soon to become addicts,then mutants. of course everything would have to be radioactive. there wil be full color spread pamphelets of the interesting and new animal monstrosities your eating. bogus and completely contrived food nutrition facts, customer service with a smile while wearing a concealed weapon

Yes I eat meat. Meat is tasty and good for you.

Haha. I am not that kind of vegan. I just think that everything about veganism is positive. Good for you, you cut meat. You can make good money doing that. I once raised cattle for butcher, and thought it was funny that they got shot in the head. I like killing, but whatever I kill should be a threat to me. A hobo spider is something I might kill. Maybe you will be fortunate in life, and realize that some vegans simply realize that the human digestive track is designed to break down plant material, and dont care about racist redneck faggot opinions like the own you so obviously portray. I would eat meat if I had to, it just makes me feel like shit if I do. Meat makes me feel sick, so I don't eat it. And that, my insipid insect is why I am a vegan.

Fragile? I'm taller than you, and weigh more than you. And I could probably lift heavier objects than you, because I am most likely, much stronger than you.

Have a nice night, and stop being a faggot.

Killng makes no difference to me. I would rather there be less people though, so start eating that.

So many people here just jump to conclusions about veganism. Maybe it is just the people I hang out with. We are just in touch with reality, and if you look at a carnivore's digestive track, and a human's digestive track, you will see a big difference. If you ate only meat, you would die. So good luck filling your digestive track with animal proteins, fat, and parasites and trying to live a healthy life. Just because I like to be healthy, does not mean I hate meat eaters ok? Science wins over religion, moral, anything. So I eat vegetables etc. , I only eat a vegan diet if possible. I don't tell my hunting buddies to fuck off because they kill animals. I don't care! Kill animals! Give me the bones! I like dead stuff.

The biggest reason I am a vegan is so I fit in with all the cool vegans though.

How much do you lift on all the exercises?

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Not enough. I have nothing to prove to you, other than showing you how large my arm is with a picture. Numbers mean nothing. Especially when everything I say is deemed ridiculous or a lie by most here.

Hmm, transsexual saying eating meat is unnatural. I'm sorry, but that's just asking for comedy there.
Complete and total moron would be the case regardless of this person's sexuality. Some people, no matter what, are just dumb. Dumb as hell. heehee

Jitter-bug--"The biggest reason I am a vegan is so I fit in with all the cool vegans though." --That seemed so sarcastic it made me laugh.

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1 Duhh...it's a carnivores....we're omnivores...of course there is a slight diff.
2 100% false (not a perfect diet) no human would simply die from this.
3 Sellout

Your supposed grasp on "reality" is massively flawed....most of your posts on subjects other than Metal tell us this....this post simply confirms it.
You're no scientist.

Jittery, for every animal you don't eat, I'm going to eat three.

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Wow, a little defensive there aren't we now? Your logic is no different than what you claim mine is. It seems that whoever doesn't agree with you is wrong, according to you.
If the human digestive track was made to process plants, eating meat would surely harm us. I've been eating it my whole life, and nothing's wrong with me. As for hwo big you are, it doesn't matter what you eat, if you have no limitations, you will get fat.
What you didn't get from my post, my dear "incipid insect" is that it wasn't a very serious one. I do not criticize people who don't eat meat, I only criticize people who go around acting like everyone who does is a criminal or something. I don't have a problem with you being a vegan. I don't really care.
I will continue to eat meat, you continue eating vegetables, and everyone goes home happy.
On a side note, funny you should talk down to anyone, since according to what you said, you used to do coke.

EDIT: Racist, redneck faggot opinions? Where the hell did you get that from?

Working on that as I type. One of the tricks to getting away with the cannabalism thing is to have a critter eat a human arm, leg, or whatever and then stew the animal. You get a double protein that way.

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I like chicken legs.

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That was cool.

I don't quite understand why some people think it's unnatural to eat meat, when our bodies are made for it and it occurs in nature all the time. If they're so upset about the killing of animals for food, why don't they hold protests outside peoples houses when they're feeding their dogs...?...

I don't really care if people are vegetarian or not but what I do hate are the people who do it for attention. It's as if they think they're superior to us lowly meat eating scum... Meh.

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It's actually a known fact that an animal like a Tiger could not survive on anything but leafs.......



Whoever said that is a moron.

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Your science is completely incorrect. Animals eat what they are designed to eat. Many animals are carnivorous, many animals are herbivorous, many animals are omnivorous. 'Cave' men didn't just look at a mammoth one day and say, "hey, I wonder what that tastes like?"...

People have been eating other animals since people existed. The human body benefits from a diet that includes lots of animal protein and a certain amount of animal fat. I have no idea where you are getting all this stuff from, but real scientists would laugh at your vegan friends if this is what they sell as being scientific fact.

Your posts have been all over the place and aren't making a hell of a lot of sense. I'd assume you are high, but I get the feeling you just really need to see somebody. You should try to schedule an appointment with a psychiatrist or psychologist, and I'm not just saying that to be a wise guy. You really sound fucked up right now.

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Allrighty than

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I wonder how many cavewomen screamed at their offspring--"GROG!! If you don't eat your meat you won't get any pudding! How do you expect to have any pudding if you don't eat your meat!!"

I worked with a cook we called Grog because generally you couldn't understand much of what he said, but he sure taught me a lot about cooking. He was our stoner caveman.

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I would love to live with a stoner cook....

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while i am a huge supporter of animal rights and veganism... i am no vegan nor vegitarian..

humans are omnivores. it's a FACT. scientifically proven and all that jazz. anyone who argues is an ignorant asshat that needs to take some more school courses.

can you live without meat? absolutely. there are more places to get protien than you might think. and protein is the main thing we need meat for.
dairy(effects vegans) is where you lose out on the important goods. but even then there are ways around it.

so why is meat given a bad rep? because %90+ of the meat we eat is stuffed full of drugs and preservatives.

go out and kill a naturally raised cow. grill yourself up a burger... put it in a tightly sealed jar... then go buy a bigmac and throw it in a jar aswell... wait about a month or two and take a looky. you'll see how much better that bigmac looks because it's stuffed full of preservatives.

those "get big fast drugs" cause a chicken or cow to become full grown within a couple weeks. that's insane.

that's what takes a toll on your body when your metabolism slows down. you can't get that garbage out of your body fast enough.

organic meat is a completely different food group from fast food as far as i'm concerned.


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and all the save the animal's bullshit... i'm all about animal rights and shit. but honestly that "by not eating meat you save about 96 animals a year" shit is a total lie... do you have any idea how much meat goes to waste each day? go ahead and quit eating meat. luckily for the people who are in the meat & dairy business, there are a several billion other people that are still going to eat it.

they arent just going to sit there and calculate how many people eat meat so they can give out exact servings... with a business like that, the attitude is: "we're going to raise a as many animals as possible, as fast as possible, kill em', and sell em'."

if it doesnt get eaten it simply goes in the garbage.. but the same number of animals are killed.


i like meat, i like dairy... so i eat them as much as possible while i still have a fast enough metabolism to handle it. i'm cheap and lazy like everyone else.

that's my "pro anti anti pro" debate for veganism... in a way i'm a meat eater that's on the Vegan's side, but i'm not about how each group misleads and hands out false information.

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I work in the meat business, and I can verify everything you said about the industry. We throw away a huge ammount of meat every night. And every night I get some self righteous fuck that tells me to give it to the homeless. We don't throw away meat because we like squeezing soft squiggly things, (it's not the only reason, anyway), but because it is deemed unsafe for human consumption. Assholes wouldn't buy it, but they would give it to some homeless guy. Like he doesn't have enough problems already, all he needs is fucking food poisoning.
Anyway, back to my first point, before I rambled on in a random direction. Vegans and vegetarians aren't exactly making a dent in the meat industry. Hell, if anything, there is more money in it today than there ever was before. As far as growth hormones and preservatives go, these are very small and unsignifficant quantities, and as far as I know, there have never been any traces of growth hormones discovered in consumer product.
All natural meat and free roaming chickens are a rip off, becasue they are charging you more money per pound, and they had to spend less money on it. They spent no money on steroids, growth hormones, genetic bullshit, none of that stuff. Just old fashioned cow growing. What you are paying for, though, is the fucking hype. As for free roaming chickens, I'd rather eat a chicken that was raised in a cage, that way I know that it didn't grow up on a steady diet of its own shit.

The growth hormone in meat thing is bullshit.

1) It's illegal.
2) Hormones are not orally bioavailable. You could drink testosterone or bovine growth hormone through a straw and it wouldn't do bollocks.
3) Any company routinely using them would be 'outed' and roundly fucked on.

There's a lot of silly vegetable-huggy crap in this thread. Suffice to say, as a powerlifter, I need eat more meat than the average family of four. Today I bought two kilos of sirloins for hella cheap, which I am going to enjoy, two at a time, for the next few days.

If you find that distasteful, I want you to wear a dress and cry every time I take a big bloody mouthful.

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Hell yeah, sirloins kick ass. I'll be picking me up some one of these days, too, as we have them on sale this week. I'll cut me a fucking two inch motherfucker, and then grill that shit for a total of 10 minutes or less. I think I'll send the leftovers, (if there are any), to Jiminy Crickets, or whatever the hell his name is.

EDIT: Growth hormones are used routinely in the cattle industry in the States. I was watching a thing about it on the History Channel the other day, holy shit has this industry advanced. It's amazing. There is one thing they still do the old fashioned way, though. They still have a guy whose job it is to jerk off the bull, (I shit you not, I saw this shit on the History Channel). But, yeah, they do use growth hormones, but they know what they're doing, it's not like they're stuffing these bowines full of hormones like a Thanksgiving Turkey. This shit is done in minute quantities, and can in no way affect you.

I know that European countries do not import American beef that has recieved hormone treatment, and I believe in Australia that might also be the case.

I think beef tastes way better than any kind of meat, regardless of how exotic it is. I did love to eat meat, but I just don't do it anymore.

Chicken is decent, but fucking beef man....mmmmm. I won't eat it, or any kind of meat any more but it does taste good. I think humans can eat whatever the cuk they want, and snort whatever they want, and basically, ingest whatever THE FUCK THEY WANT. I don't care, stuff is gay, I couldnt care less what some dumb redneck faggot thinks about my hair and my vlad tepes shirt. They are ignorant faggots. I am not refering to someone here, just the local rednecks in thurston and shit. Science unlocks the answers to many things though, and that is what made me attempt to eat vegan. I just want to live a little longer that's all. Maybe death metal will continue to get heavier and heavier and more relentless and DEATH'ISH and I'll be around to play it 30-40 years from now.

(R.I.P. CHUCK SCHULDINER)

I am super drunk., high and stuff so don't read that. mu shsuhsuhsuhs

Damn right. It's been illegal for about 10 years, and very explicit they were about it too. This country takes its food rather seriously.

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Not eating meat is a decision, eating meat is an instinct.

aaahhh......the growth hormone i refer to is the vitimin D one,the one that makes the cow produce more milk. what makes livestock grow faster is the antibiotics, this is what i read, i dont know the science

so in maine there is a company called stonybrook farms, they sell dairy products. they started labelling thier products that informed the customer that there isnt any antibiotics nor vitimin d hormone in thier products. they didnt say nor imply that these things were bad.Monsanto sued them and won a court case revoking the label on grounds that it implied the hormone was unhealthy, no science indicated this......its just people dont want it in thier food regardless. so the organic industry of free range chicken and normal cows,dairy products has to do with the standards in which the animal is raised then killed, not needing hormones,preservatives in the food, willingness to pay extra to small buisnesses<or large opportunistic,greedy corporations> that will provide what they want as far as some meat that makes it easier on thier bleeding heart liberal consciences. it doesnt have to rely so much on scientific evidence.

whats bullshit is Boca burgers and Boca products, look at the ingredients next time you go to the supermarket, the thing reads like a Russian germ warfare plague recipe. the artificial food industry in america is monopolized by like 3 or 4 companies that are all in cahoots, they all have thier plants off the jersey turnpike. they produce Boca,Morningstar all the fake meat products, and what they do is oppurtunism because they still do buisness with the meat industry........fucking billions of dollars worth of it.

so i say if anyone is thinking about being a vegan or vegetarian never eat at restaurants, dont buy the fake meat products, dont buy regular produce etc. only get organic produce from local hippy co-op markets that seem to exist in all corners of the US, thats about the best you can do to not support the meat industry, i thing i wont fault anyone on.

another thing ill add to the health/vegan food industry is that you have to AFFORD it, all the shit is expensive as fuck. the recent wave in these products is due to yuppies, plain and simple.......hypocrit SUV driving asshole yuppies, its money grubbing opportunism.

Fuck, stop thinking about what you eat, just eat it!

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One of our food product delivery drivers is a cattle farmer in New York state. We were talking about the different methods of raising beef. He does it the 'old fashioned' way with grains, hay, and pasture. He said that some places recycle treated animal byproduct to their animals to cut back on feeding costs. I forget if he said they sterilize it or what, but it's treated somehow and everything from the corpse parts to dung.

Speaking of. I wonder how many of you that like corpse paint have read what's in it. I know urea is in a lot of women's make-up products and it's from animals.

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Anyways, we used to get milk from a farm down the road. It was the most horrible stuff I ever tasted. That was back in high school or maybe jr. high. I don't know if it wasn't pasteurized or what was going on with it, but it was bitter as heck. The farm had part of route 90 at the back of it and who knows if they were using pesticides around there.
When I was little I can remember when we'd either go to another big dairy farm locally or they'd deliver glass bottled milk with about 3 inches of cream on the top. That was carefully poured off to use in coffee and baking. We had a small milkbox on the porch for when it was delivered. Now that was good stuff.

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I've heard that a lot of the standards used for meats are really out-dated and that they're from the early 20th century and haven't been upgraded a whole lot. Maybe with all the propaganda and outbreaks of things coming more into the public view, things have been revised.

One thing you have to watch consuming protein in red meat form is cholesterol. And whatever type protein you're using whether it's dairy or soy whey, meat, or fish, make sure you're drinking lots of water so you don't damage your kidneys from too much.

heh heh When I was a cook at home and stoned, my favorite recipe was Domino's. lol

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I'm with chris on this one. It sounds like you have been fed some hippy bullshit. Read some books on anatomy and nutrition written by reputable scientists, as opposed to Dr. Peace-dove Harmony's pamphlets.

Vegans are right to point out that non-animal based diets tend to be high in fibre, and low fat. They are right to point out that animal fats and proteins are linked to some health problems, like obesity, heart disease, and hypertension.
Vegan diets are positive in certain respects, but negative in others. They can cause some other health problems, primarily malnutrition. There are several nutrients found in abundance in animal products, but scarce in plant products. Vitamin B12, which John Holland mentioned, is only naturally occurring in animal cells and some bacteria.
It is possible to get all of the essential nutrients on a vegan diet, but it's not a simple task. Vegans depend on fortified food and supplements. So, extreme vegans suffer malnutrition without pills - ie not a diet you are designed for.

Conclusion - Being a strict carnivore is bad for you. Being a strict herbivore is bad for you. A healthy balance is good. Quite a shocking conclusion considering, as has been said several times, we have the digestive system of an omnivore....

Have a look at this:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/03/24/ctv.swinton/

How very sad that is.
A pregnant woman I worked with was a vegetarian and was telling one of the kids how great it was. The cook spoke up and asked her if she'd also told the kid that she was suffering from anemia and calcuim loss as well as getting colds and stuff all the time. Plus the baby was below the rate it should have been at that time. The woman shut up and pretty soon she was eating meats again. Her baby was healthy, but if she had kept it up it's hard to say what would have happened.

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Those people were idiots. You'd think common sense would kick in at some point. And you'd be wrong.

I certainly understand your logic for not eating meat. If something makes you ill, why the fuck would you eat it? You simply realised that there was a problem, and you solved it.
I don't have a problem with people who are vegetarian or vegan for health reasons. Chances are, if you are morbidly obese, eating a Big Mac isn't gonna help your cause. A diet consisting mostly or entirely of vegetables or vegetable products may be your only hope. I just don't like people who go around parading the fact that they are vegans like it's some kind of big fucking achievment, and they act like everyone who likes meat is a fucking criminal. These people are simply following a fucking trend and are probably doing it all wrong.
Born again hippies. I hate them.

I'm going to laugh when the vegan transexual I mentioned earlier has an issue with malnutrition concerning her raw food vegan diet ( That's right, nothing remotely processed ... no vitamins, nothing, just raw plants and bottled water ).

I am a dumbass, I ate beef last night. I could have said no, but I would have been disrespecting my friends from a different culture. They like for you to taste the food, and enjoy it because it tastes damn good. xdislexicx is correct on almost everything he said.

I think I am going to catch some fish and just eat those. I still hate store bought chicken and shitty meat like microwave bacon etc. I don't even know what I'm trying to do. I was vegan for a while, then last night I ate a piece of beef. Hmmm, I'm not going to go out and get some meat today but i thin kI'll start catching my own game. I really like how elk tastes. Bear meat is good too, though a little greasy and stringy.

I suppose I just want to eat healthy, I feel really good from maintaining some kind of a controlled diet. No junk food, I fucking hate it anyways. Just good organic, natural stuff. I raised three cattle, and they tasted great. We fed them alfalfa, grain, and of course our pasture.

SO once again, drugs make idiots like me do some strange stuff. I'm still going to not eat store bought meat unless it is for a cultural reason. I would never turn down my islander friends cooking. It would make him feel bad, and he is a good friend.

I see no reason for not eating meat.

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Well, I haven't eaten veal since I watched a show about the calves' treatment. It was on 60 Minutes or 20/20 a good 10 years ago probably and I haven't eaten it since. I don't go crazy about it, but I say just what I said here about why.

I know some people can't eat things because of the texture or taste. My eldest won't eat mushrooms because of the texture. And I have one kid that likes raw spinach and one likes it cooked. OF COURSE!!!! Although they're more flexible about that since they're older now.

Jitter-bug-- Quit dissing yourself. It drives me crazy when people do that.

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Big deal, man, you ate some meat. So what if someone says that you're not officially vegan anymore? Don't beat yourself up over it. Just eat what's healthy for you, man. As long as you don't go back to doing coke, I don't see what the problem is.
You're not an idiot for doing what you did. You were polite. It's as simple as that. You can eat meat once a month and call that your very own custom made vegan diet. Who's to say you're wrong? Grow a pair, damn it.

No shit. So what you had some meat You have eyes on the front of your head because you are a preditor. Your teeth are made for eating both plant and animal. Your body can, will, and wants to have meat once in a while. Why the hell do people want to be one way of the other? Eat everything animal and plant. It all taste good and is good for you, raw or cooked.

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In the Samoan culture it is custom to eat meat. I feel like I offend my islander friend pasi if I don't eat the meat. And I don't sometimes. I like to catch my own fish though. Just some red meat is so nappy.

Well, if you had an allergy to it or something you wouldn't be able to eat it anyways. If it was something you weren't keen on eating you could have a small portion and pig out on the other stuff.
As much as you preach about what you believe I'd think you'd be more apt to say that they're in the States so they should Americanize. I'm teasing, but I do understand being polite. I tried lots of new foods because of my father-in-law. I didnt' want to hear him gripe at me about being a picky eater which I was. He brought me porkrinds at work and I even choked some of those down and told him they were good. YUCKKKK! I haven't touched them since. God bless him.

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I just don't want to be fat, that's all. So I don't eat alot of meat. One of the islander women who was actually born here, she is just kind of a poser, anyways she told me it is rude to not eat the meat. I didn't really give a fuck. To me, her telling me I am boring, rude, among other things just for not eating meat is racist towards me because it always comes down to "white people don't do this, or white people this." Fuck that, I am white, and I am dicriminated against. This country won't do a damn thing about racial discrimination towards European American's either, they should just make it very illegal. If I were to say one thing rude to them though....it is racial discrimination. Fuck that.

To me, a blonde joke is racist. It's fucking racist and you know it. If I were to make a joke about overweight colored people though, ha! It would be curtains for me. Think it is hard being black in America? Fuck shit, trying be a long haired, bearded, tall white guy in Eugene. Where the fuck are my rights? Fuck the government and fuck George cocksucking bush, and Kerry he is a faggot too.

You are all BM trOO, right?

Here you go!

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You soooo do alot of coke don't you?

I'm in the fucking US NAVY you dumb POS! I don't do drugs. I'm in the nuclear program, that means I keep your piece of shit life alive by not doing drugs! Do you understand what death by radiation means, you fucking filth?

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Well, I hope you die, don't know why you want to do that but good for you. Be all you can be, and die for a country that is filled with idiots. I am not an American, so I could care less that you in the NAVY or whatever it is you were bragging about.

You fight for the stupidest country on earth, congratualtions. I simply reside here, I am not an American. HAHA. If you really were in the Navy, you wouldn't be so damned gullible. So stop lying. You said you drank a fifth of Brandy, that is a drug man. Alcohol is a drug.

My piece of shit life? Hmmm, my life is pretty golden. I have a nice family, girlfriends, some regular friends that are girls, some guitars, a band. Yeah my life sucks, keep telling youself that SoulInsane. And keep on rotting, keep on hoping, keep on dreaming...one day maybe, keep on rotting, keep on hoping, in the real world.

Dave Mustaine is a piece of shit.

Your time is over on this site, motherfucker. I have had to much to drink and I hate you anyway so kiss your ass goodbuy. Alcohol is not against drug laws as LONG AS I'M NOT SAVING YOUR DUMB ASS WHILE DOING IT! I HAD no other job but the Navy you fuck. You think I did it for pride of honor? I do it for money because it keeps my wife, little girl, and unborn in perfect health care. What the fuck do you got? You said you had a 60K paying job but you never work. I think you are a lier you filthy piece of shit.

Go die in some pagan frozen wasteland, pretending your trOO and not gay.

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Yay! Let's all shave our legs and cry!

In other news, I've had a gutful of your goddamn threads. Either you're a really boring troll or a really self-righteous crotch infection of a human being.

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