http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-...tml?tag=nl.e589

If this is a reputable source, then what is described here is the first step in things much more terrible.

i just heard about this, dont know too much about it but it seems fucked up

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I can't really say that seems to fucked up. I guess because I'm in the military and used to this kinda shit. Its good in a way yes, but in another sense a lot of people are going to have a lot of heart-ache over achieving-obtaining one of these cards.....you know how gay america can be. This could be one of those times.

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Well, there's ID's people in the US have now that have more info on them than you'd imagine. I saw these on the news the other day and I'm not sure whether it will do any good or not. People bitched about getting a social security number instead of going by a name and birthdate feeling reduced to a number. But I bet there's a lot of John Smith's with the same b/d and description. Just a guess.
The government already knows more about all of us than we do ourselves so what's the difference. It makes no difference to me. If it's going to keep my family safer then maybe it's a good thing.

I noticed a brief line in the comments about implants and that reminded me of a book I read back in the late 70's or early 80's called Raptured or something similar. Everyone had their personal ID either implanted or tattooed on their wrist and it was used for everything from paying for groceries to ID. I don't remember all the details, but it was something like that.

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You posted while I was, but I'm glad you said that. Wally said there's a lot of info on the military id's that he probably wasn't even aware of. That's why I don't think it's that big of a deal.

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It is just more incessant hassle, and like I said, this is the first step into something more disgusting. I am fucking sick of needing so many goddamn papers just to do everyday things. I heard my parents talking today that to renew your drivers license, they are going to be changing it to shit where you need 6 forms of ID, here in MA. How much more goddamn shallow are we going to get? I just feel infuriated.

at least we don't need paper to cross states. But if you're taking about driver's license and all your car registration, that's only 2.....

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I said it might happen in regards to renewing your driver's license in the future...this seems to happen a lot here, where people don't actually read what I write.

Wouldn't this be invading freedom of pirvacy?

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like america gives a shit about that....

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What you're talking about, Bobbi, is a reference to the Book of Revelations and one of the signs that the Anti-Christ's coming and all the good Christians will be taken to heaven (the Rapture) to watch the heathens be tortured, or nuked, or whatever. People have been worried about that for a while, but it technically has to be a financial requirement, and equivalent to the number of the Beast, to be the Anti-Christ thing. So we're cool.

Anybody who's in the military chooses to have this type of thing done, Phil (assuming that's your name). Asking it of citizens because it might help stop some terrorists too lazy and uncommitted to do anything about it is a wee bit extreme. To be honest this seems like the attempts to change dollar mints to foil counterfitters; no matter what you do, they always get around them. Thinking like this helps explain why the U.S. has been infiltraited but has never had any particularly successful spies. It's like 19th century fortress building: 'They have long-range catapults, so let's build our walls wicked far out! Oh shit, they've got even longer-range catapults, so let's build a wall even farther out!' and so on until you've got a fortress with boundaries 90 miles out that still(!) falls. Superficial, monorail thinking.

I only hope this doesn't hinder underage drinking.

PST, there is a new number of the beast! Haha. Again, I do not know if this is reputable, but it is quite amusing to me.

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/11134

Oh it would be great if that is true....a whole new trend for Hot Topic fanatics. Always need something new out of everyday life ( ) to laugh at.

BTW, PST88, my name is philip....good assumption..

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As far as the ID's go, I'm all for it if it actually works and eventually reduces identity theft as well as illegal immigrants, etc... (I live close to the border).

"Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."


...gee, now I know where Iron Maiden got their song...

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they want to give us Brits the same thing.
I absolutely refuse to have an electronic chip I.D. card.
im sure its fine for lots of people, and organisations, but not for a population.
in the past, we have identified ourselves with important things which give us permission to do other things, like travel abroad in the protection of our country, or operate machinery which should not be used irresponsibly. this kind of I.D. card is just "permission to be me".
it is the first step to an Orwell 1984 government.
the worst thing is that the government(I assume the U.S is too) is using the threat of a terrorist attack to explain its nessecity.
this will not stop a terrorist attack, it will give the governemt a greater control over the population.

they cant make me get one. they would have to force me to close my bank account first. they would have to force me to loose an awful lot of things which I could only get back with one of their blasted I.D. cards.

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hrm. im not so happy about this...

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I'm not at all bothered. My freedom will not be impinged by having an ID card and if ID cards prevent just one out of every 100 terrorist attacks then I'm all for them.

Over here they are thinking of making it a legal requirement to carry one and this leads to my only disagreement: the governement should not levy a charge onto obtaining an ID card if it is a legal requirement to do so.

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But that's what would more than likely happen, seems like a bit of an uneccesary waste of money to me. And as PST said, people will always be able to find a way to cheat the system, plus extra money would have to go into the running and policing of this system.

And yes, I think it does smell just a tad like 1984.

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Actually, it'd make the policing of it easier. ...Harder to counterfeit something that keeps changing.

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so would taping everybody to a lamp post in a strait jacket and feeding them chemically rendered nutrients through a tube.
its harder to commit crime when you cant move.

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I agree with both you post Amon.

Why do the extremists get to run the world? This ID card is totally unnesscary, people will cheat it, and we'll all be stuck with the government running our bank accounts and such.

I don't want them to keep track of everything I do. Whatever happened to "In God We Trust"?

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It would have make sense if you said something like "trusting each other." Trusting god has nothing to do this.

I don't really care for it unless it's expensive. For the same reason that declaring bankruptcy costs more than you have in your pocket.

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I will say bye to America or any other country that this happens to.

I agree

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I talked this over with my social teacher today.

This law could be used to violate the 4th amendment

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Which is? Excuse my ignorance, I know I should know the amendments of the country I live in but I do not.

The right where the government can't search you, your house, your property, or your personal information without reasonable cause. (Why cops need a warrant)

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Ahh, indeed.

The Patriot Act is the same way...If they even think your a terrorist they can break into your house, wether your home or not, and do a search and seizure.

To those of you that don't live in America, do your governments do this kind of bullshit?

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How can it be used to "violate" the 4th amendment? Warrents give them the right....

Oh, and btw Tulvox, the stupidity quote in your sig is cool.

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the Real ID act would give them access to all your personal information at any time. Along with bank acounts, credit card numbers, where you last bought something, car model, etc. This would be in violation of the 4th amendment because they wouldn't need a warrant to look all that up.

It is because of the 4th amendment that the police need warrants.

(and thanks )

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the British goverment is allowed to hold you indefinately if they think your a terrorist.
(basically imprisonment without trial)

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I assume everywhere except for the U.S. that citizens are not the top priority. If you're shot in a shoot out and you get hit by a cop's bullet, too bad; in the states, that cop would get into trouble. I assume.

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citizens being the top priority is not a good thing.
the "rights" of the individual is a hideous idea, and nobody will ever be truly happy. there are examples a-plenty throughout society and culture.

oh, and i dont think many innocent people have been shot by a copper in england.

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Communist!

I think the cards would need to be free, because then the government would be forcing another payment down our throats. We already have taxes and social security getting taken out of our earnings.