Think about this. There are probably cures for AIDS, cancer, Parkinson's, ANYTHING, but they will never be released. If there were cures available to the public, hundreds of drug companies would be put out of business. Thousands would be put out of work. So, making people healthy is bad for business. See what humanity has degenerated to? All of those drugs that keep people alive when they have AIDS or something would be obsolete if a cure were to be released. If you have AIDS, you are stuck forever. There is no hope for you.

oh fuck me... that sucks.

on another note, are you on crack?

yes he is, considering people and the government is dumping millions into research to find a cure.

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But the government would never allow all those jobs to be lost. It would be bad for the economy. Tool.

Yeah, I think he is, but I still love him. He's a sweetheart.

I've heard that are new drugs that are helping to minimize the effects of AIDS if caught in early stages. I'm real skeptical about what you're saying. I know what I'd like to believe which is opposite what you're saying, but it wouldn't surprise me if things were held back. My dad was terminal and knew it so he agreed to experimental cancer treatment in hopes it might help someone else. It kept him alive for about a year past what they said he'd survive so maybe it did help them.

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In the medical field the patient isn't the priority, the company shareholders are, just like any other business.

if ours wouldnt some other country would like japan or england

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Why the fuck would their business philosophies be any different? I'm sure their people take the same fucking medicines.

Good for you. You saw that infomercial too!

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I don't watch TV, other than 24.

i think you just heard Chris Rock say it and that's where all this came from

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A cure for AIDS might not already be made, but there are certainly eminent company owners hindering and limiting research. It will always be the case because it hurts their profit margin. I've heard rumors of water-based engines already, yet, car companies bought them out and stashed them. It is the same way with fossil fuel alternatives. The car companies obscure.

Refer to the previous post dumbass. I could write a book on everything wrong with humanity, I don't need to get my ideas from shitbags like Rock.

i didn't see that post, i didn't read through all the posts. But anyway, yeah, i don't believe they are out the cure it, they are out to find medication that makes it go dormant so you have to keep buying the meds to live healthy and if you stop taking them, the aids becomes active. That way they get money for the rest of your life and you get to live.

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If that were true, they never would have found a cure for polio, either. I'm not saying that these big deal drug companies aren't out there to make money, but there isn't a vast conspiracy to hide existing cures nor to suppress the study of possible cures. We've simply cured too many debilitating diseases in our time for this idea to be plausible.

One the flip side, it doesn't really matter. On the eve of a cure comes a new epidemic. There is no way to break this trend, nor should there be. There are too many people on this planet already, disease is really all nature has to even partially control our out of control overpopulation.

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Look at my second to last post, I kind of changed my stance. By the way, check out your emails.

im sure they do, but their govs arnt obnoxouse two year olds screaming "look at me, im in charge!"

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I seriously doubt an organised conspiracy......but must admit...nature NEEDS a way to control population and sweep the planet clean from time to time.

That was a great stand up show!

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Wouldnt fly here in Aus.
The government pays for healthcare, and many perscription drugs are on a Pharmacutical Benefits Scheme, which the government pays a portion of the cost of the perscription. Would the government continute to pay for our drugs if they could cure it?
Did you ever think that maybe it would take people to manufacture these curese?

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How about this... you're totally wrong, and you don't have a turd-flogging clue what you're talking about?

1) Much important drug research is privately funded but done at public institutions. You think they're secure facilities, where people in white coats operate behind bullet proof glass and never see their families again?

2) Scientists communicate through the continual production of professional journals. You can't just be a really clever virologist and waltz off on your own and cure something like this. Research is a massive collaborative effort. Even the biggest company R&D department is miniscule compared to an international community of collective researchers, ALL of whom know each other, ALL of whom share knowledge, ALL of whom do not squirrel away 'the best knowledge' so they can make money off it later. Quite the opposite! People are always scrambling to be the first to publish.

3) There are very large peak bodies that cast their eyes over medical research. They know everything that's happening. They've said nothing about 'hidden cures' for these illnesses.

4) You think there's no money in curing cancer??? You're a dingus. The first company to provide a broad-spectrum preventative measure against cancer will make more money than Microsoft. And the scientists involved will win the Nobel. AIDS too, because AIDS treatment is publically funded. Oh, and all of Africa has it - that's someone's future economic windfall.

5) There aren't really 'hundreds' of drug companies to begin with. At least, not that matter. Only the very biggest make the most complicated of drugs because they need to be put on Medicare (government assistance) so people can afford them. And that require massive lobbying power and heavy glad-handing from all sides, which only the weighty can perform effectively.

6) The production of, say, AIDS-fighting drugs would still mean that older drugs like anti-virals would still be financially viable until the new drugs could be accepted, afforded and exported everywhere. Drugs take years to pass clinical trials, and drug companies make decisions when they initially develop them to consider the fact that they'll be obsolete in, say 3-6 years.

7) Making people healthy as a business still hasn't been done. People just find more ways to kill themselves.

Your opinion is wrong, misguided, wrong, wrong and incorrect.

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These companies make more money treating symptoms of disease than curing it, that is where the money lies in the medical field and these large companies know that. This isn't some conspiracy theory, this just comes from a basic understanding of how business works.

FBS: How do you come by this knowledge? Do you expect me to just accept all of your points without an ounce of proof?

1) You must know the Odyssey, and how Penelope kept from completing her weaving project. Even if people were watching, what is to stop the researchers from doing nonsense work. They don't have to be doing anything substantial, they could just be bullshitting around for anyone knows, or getting paid to keep things under wraps. This is impossible to prove, or for commoners to have knowledge of.

2) This is probably your best point. But still, can you show me any of these journals or proof of the communication? Even though there is a mass of people doing this, there are also masses of people designing hydrogen-powered engines. Yet the big guys buy out the designs and squirrel them away.

3) Obscure point, I do not know what you are getting at. It is likely in the best interest of these "bodies" to keep the economy running smoothly.

4) Finding a cure is not definite. Getting paid or threatened to trash research is certainly more pertinent.

5) Who cares how many drug companies there exactly are? Either way, it is business, and in this money-driven society, business is all that matters. There are riches in drugs, and stopping production of these drugs would result in economic turmoil.

6) So? The drugs would inevitably and ultimately be put out of production.

7) Okay.

Some of your points are more specious than others, but all are faulted.

Your goverment probably already has found a cure, they just aren't letting on. It kind of follows a pattern within 20th Century America....roswell, kennedy, waco, iraq.
For those in america, do you ever see anything truely up lifting & motivating on television?...you know, the TV that your goverment controlls....easily proven that one. And don't argue because i can easily refer to the Waco massacre....

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aha! you've been brainwashed by 24!

it's all conspiracy! CONSPIRACY I SAY!!!

Because I live in this world, you tit. I live, sleep and breathe research. Because I've written one thesis, am currently writing a book, and I'm writing another thesis next year. Because I study with biochemists and physiologists. Because my apartment is waist-deep in journals and papers, which all, incidentally, say you're wrong.



What kind of proof were you expecting? Links to professional journals? Proof that the huge mass of brilliantly intelligent people who research disease actually share their knowledge with the world and each other? A melanoma in a petri dish? What a stupid question.



This is so removed from reality it makes me want to bleed out my eyes. Universities and research labs tend not to do nonsense work. They have the most incredibly serious work ethic you've ever seen. To say nothing of university oversight. Oh, or the fact that you never seem to see this headline in the paper:

University Exposed! Bioscience labs actually not doing research, instead they just transfer water between tubes while wearing white coats. Apparently no-one had realised before.

The vast majority of research is not done at evil drug company headquarters. And people in these areas don't just have one job - they study here, do some research there, continually moving between tenures, contracts and following the best grants and research dollars.

And let's get one thing straight - I don't have the burden of proof here. I'm saying that people who are paid to research diseases ACTUALLY RESEARCH DISEASES AND PUBLISH WHAT THEY FIND. You're saying THEY DON'T. So you fucking prove it, numbskull. Perhaps you could find me one single instance of the kind of wild tinfoil-hat accusations coming out of your mouth in the first place.



I'm glad you approve of my point. I shined it up nice for you. Jesus batfucking christ! Read an fucking oncology journal!
More than 70000 articles on AIDS!

Hundreds of books, thousands of articles, experiments, reviews, letters, millions upon millions of words every year! Are all those people wasting their breath? Are they part of a concerted conspiracy to deny the world of a cure for the scourges of mankind????



Don't confuse your being pig-ignorant with my being obscure.

The point of a peak body is to act as a focus of knowledge and practice within an area, a kind of repository for information. Example - http://www.cancerinstitute.org.au/cancer_inst/ - they provide information to doctors, people, give away scholarships and research grants, fund journals, publications and events, liase with drug companies, advise the government and generally help out wherever they can. So when something important happens in these fields, these excellently advised, civic-minded people in the peak body FIND OUT ABOUT IT. They are not kept in the dark by evil overlord drug companies. They have nothing to do with 'the economy'. They work to keep everyone informed. Now, considering we're talking about knowledge being secret, how is that obscure?



What the fuck??? You said there is no money in a cure for chronic illness. I said there is. We're all aware that curing things isn't 'definite' - that's probably why they're NOT CURED YET. You've just stuck two sentences together here, and forgotten what you were typing for.



You do! Because you originally said "hundreds" of them would be put out of business by these mythical cures! And I said this wouldn't happen, and the system didn't operate on whatever dungbrained high school free-market competition basis you had in mind, as a demonstration of the fact that you have no idea how the drug industry works. Remember, I said you were wrong and clueless. This was a part of the clueless bit.



Aww. I'm sorry I'm being specious. I thought I understood these things. That being the case, I'm glad you're here to point out the inconsistencies in my baseless, rampant and diseased speculations. Dickhead.



A basic understanding of business, yes. Coupled with a ratshit understanding of the scientific world, and an appalling ignorance of medical research, and much grumpy-pants cynicism.

Just because you can write seven things with numbers next to them doesn't mean you've actually said anything. Those pretty lines you put down in configuration are not little modern art sculptures, they're designed to communicate ideas. Try it. Fucknut. I would have written this nicely but I can't help myself. I'm allergic to the stupid.

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there is already natural cures for any virus or bacteria you can pretty much think of, why is it that 80% of the people ive talked to about this dont realise that? they think all cures come from chemicals manufactured in a lab.

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Haha, I'm laughing my ass off here

''University Exposed! Bioscience labs actually not doing research, instead they just transfer water between tubes while wearing white coats. Apparently no-one had realised before.''

I was going to throw my tuppence worth into this argument but FBS nailed it pretty much right on the head with the following statement:

"The first company to provide a broad-spectrum preventative measure against cancer will make more money than Microsoft."

Anybody who dosn't believe the above has got their heads up their arse.

Further to the, "How do we know they are actually doing research in those there labs?" argument: The people who release funding will stipulate that the researchers are audited - and rigorously at that - to check that they are getting value for money from their investment.

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I'm a skeptic and I hate the world, blow me.

eat a bullet man

haha agreed thats the funniest thing fbs has said in a while

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FBS is a great person, i used to think maddox was funny, witty, and intelligent but you own him.

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pffti shat on maddox

ok, fuck the companys man, the scientist that are doing this research, are doing it for the cure not for the money, they are just backed by these rich companys. if a cure was found then the scienists themselves would come out and say it weather the companys wanted them to or not...or is there where you admit to a huge scientists assination conspiracy

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AH HAHAHAHA

He sounds like my grandfather! LMFAO

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Companies, money, secrets...

This whole thing is sounding like the latest episode of South Park

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Eh, we'll probably never know. Only thihg we can do is enjoy a good bit of speculation and conspiracy-theorising!

In your own sweet badly-spelt way, I totally agree with you. We're talking about very principled, dedicated people who spend decades learning enough to do their jobs properly, not some kind of cynical hack who rolls over at the first sign of dollars. If they wanted money in the first place, they wouldn't have become fucking research scientists!

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Ouch, ya got me (veins).

I take it this is your version of letting me stop flogging a dead horse.

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Fine with me

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FBS - 17
Pandemonium - 0

AH HAHA OWNED! CLOSE IT UP! MY CAPS LOCK IS BROKEN!!!! LOLZZZZ!!1111

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No, you are a dumbass not a skeptic.

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OMG! I AGREE WITH DEAD!!!! take a picture, this wont happen again

FBS

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I think we all can agree this thread can be discarded after some severe ownage.

so here goes, another classic down the drain!