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Philosophy: FATE
What do you think of Fate, or Destiny? I have a very simple belief concerning fate: I think that some things are meant to be (the meeting of certain people, for example), and that some things are up in the air (the time you die, for example).
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How exactly did you come to this conclusion Pandemonium? I don't believe in any sort of fate or destiny, to me fate is totally incomprehensible.
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I think it might be all very well planned out, but what the hell do i know? I have Cheese in my name.
But honestly i think that there is definately a destiny for people and a fate, dunno why, dunno how, i think it could very well be in the DNA...
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Umm.. stuff happens when you make it happen.
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My only question is, are people this way and that way by nature, or by nurture?
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My only question is, are people this way and that way by nature, or by nurture?
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 only women have intuition.
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That sure makes the most sense to me.
The only other explanation would be that when your born, there is a set path for your entire life, and there is no escaping it. Our history teacher talked about this in class.
As Blizzard_Beast said, it seems completely incomprehensible.
(Well, the exact wording was: I don't believe in any sort of fate or destiny, to me fate is totally incomprehensible).
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Meh, shit happens.
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Yep. Combine this with coincidence and you have a pretty decent explanation for so-called destiny.
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Anyone ever read into the Chaos theory? some pretty interesting shit
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haha dude
you will never ever ever ever know if there is fate or not
dont bother even thinking about it for a minute. its a waste of time
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To me, people decide their own fates(or at least should, of course many many factors come into play). I don't believe in such things as destiny or being fated to meet someone or do something.
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our minds decide upon our later fate before we exist on this material world....
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I seriously doubt any predetermined Fate/Destiny.
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You make your own fate. Nothing is "ment to be", this is the whole point of freewill. The Bible seems to contridict it's self on this subject: If God knows whats to happen in the future, then that indicates that we've got our actions already planned out for us, making the freewill that he has given us obsolete. A set course would ultimatley mean that there is no freewill and that we are just puppets.
The idea of destiny sickens me, it drains away self-responsibility. It's a crutch for people to lean on and give themselfs confidence that the future holds what's best for them. And if it is true, and that the ability to manifest one's own future is obsolete, then criminals and the like wouldn't have a choice and are ultimately born to be sent to hell. Most of the discourse that I've had with people of faith say that there is flexibility in the choices you manifest. But that would make God all but knowing, wouldn't it?
I don't mean to turn this into a religous thing, but I think that the concept of destiny is most deeply tied into religon, so it's an unavoidable thing. And like John said, the future is just the reverberations of our actions.
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Most debates of free will I've heard lately come down to a molecular level, at which a molecule, if given an identical stimulus, will give back an identical response (or something along these lines. I haven't researched this part of the argument myself and simply rely on my remembered versions of other peoples' words, and my memory's as fallible as anyone's. I'm sure one of our science people can correct or agree with me). People are similar. That's not to say there's no such thing as free will; it's simply free within limits, which is probably as it should be.
As for God's sudden introduction, traditional (re: Augustinian) opinion on this subject is as follows: God exists, immutable, in an eternal moment throughout which all of our linear (not cyclical, as we aren't pagans and Vico and Schegel can go to the rings of hell if they like circles so damned much) time works itself out. Since it's all present - or, if you'd prefer, just a moment rushing all at once - to him, he can observe our 'future' without determining it for us, just as I can watch you make a decision without having affected it, or review a past decision of yours with even less effect. Remember: God gets to play by his own rules; he's outside the game and can't be trammeled by the chains of our poor, playing board-bound logic and understanding, and any attempt to do so is futile. Since any appeal to logic can be superseded by the 'You are weak and imperfect and your vain attempts to rationalize the unknowable only proves how imperfect and weak you are' clause, all argument is only so much (2,000 odd years' worth) wasted and re-wasted breath. I hope this explanation has demonstrated at least one of the causes of my disbelief.
Fate is fun to believe in but, like destiny and coincidence, tends to do more to prove our powers of observation and investigation than any kind of overarching plan on Aubrey's non-existant part. Synchronicity tends to depend on the viewer. I'd give examples, but the most salient and useful right now are culled from my personal life, and you're a bunch of cunts on a message board I wouldn't trust as far as I can e-throw, and, as far as I know, it's impossible to e-throw.
Finally: Jim's right.
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Most debates of free will I've heard lately come down to an molecular level, at which a molecule, if given an identical stimulus, will give back an identical response (or something along these lines. I haven't researched this part of the argument myself and simply rely on my remembered versions of other peoples' words, and my memory's as fallible as anyone's. I'm sure one of our science people can correct or agree with me). People are similar. That's not to say there's no such thing as free will; it's simply free within limits, which is probably as it should be.
As for God's sudden introduction, traditional (re: Augustinian) opinion on this subject is as follows: God exists, immutable, in an eternal moment throughout which all of our linear (not cyclical, as we aren't pagans and Vico and Schegel can go to the rings of hell if they like circles so damned much) time works itself out. Since it's all present - or, if you'd prefer, just a moment rushing all at once - to him, he can observe our 'future' without determining it for us, just as I can watch you make a decision without having affected it, or review a past decision of yours with even less effect. Remember: God gets to play by his own rules; he's outside the game and can't be trammeled by the chains of our poor, playing board-bound logic and understanding, and any attempt to do so is futile. Since any appeal to logic can be superseded by the 'You are weak and imperfect and your vain attempts to rationalize the unknowable only proves how imperfect and weak you are' clause, all argument is only so much (2,000 odd years' worth) wasted and re-wasted breath. I hope this explanation has demonstrated at least one of the causes of my disbelief.
Fate is fun to believe in but, like destiny and coincidence, tends to do more to prove our powers of observation and investigation than any kind of overarching plan on Aubrey's non-existant part. Synchronicity tends to depend on the viewer. I'd give examples, but the most salient and useful right now are culled from my personal life, and you're a bunch of cunts on a message board I wouldn't trust as far as I can e-throw, and, as far as I know, it's impossible to e-throw.
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You make your own fate. Nothing is "ment to be", this is the whole point of freewill. The Bible seems to contridict it's self on this subject: If God knows whats to happen in the future, then that indicates that we've got our actions already planned out for us, making the freewill that he has given us obsolete. A set course would ultimatley mean that there is no freewill and that we are just puppets.
The idea of destiny sickens me, it drains away self-responsibility. It's a crutch for people to lean on and give themselfs confidence that the future holds what's best for them. And if it is true, and that the ability to manifest one's own future is obsolete, then criminals and the like wouldn't have a choice and are ultimately born to be sent to hell. Most of the discourse that I've had with people of faith say that there is flexibility in the choices you manifest. But that would make God all but knowing, wouldn't it?
I don't mean to turn this into a religous thing, but I think that the concept of destiny is most deeply tied into religon, so it's an unavoidable thing. And like John said, the future is just the reverberations of our actions.
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Darko basicly said what I was going to say.
Fate and destiny are stupid, it is just a very very simplified version of a religous crutch for people to weak to accept that maybe thier shitty place in life is thier own fault and are to lazy to do anything about it so tyhey sit around saying some magical being/power/philosophical concept will make everything better and get what they truely deserve(you know all thoes people taht are suffering well be rewarded eventually!). The whole idea that I have no control over my life no matter what I do is sickening.
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I studied it at university.
Chaos Theory summed up in a sentence is basically how large effects arise over time from small initial perturbations. The immediate example relates to climate and the 'Butterfly Effect' but a more realisable example would be if you are a minute late leaving the house in the morning it could mean that you are an hour late for work instead of 10 minutes early. Predictable unpredictablility, if you will.
It is a very interesting field of mathematics and is quite encompassing when you scratch beneath the surface but whether it can be applied to a specific person's 'destiny' is debatable. For instance, I can apply it to myself in terms of getting to work on time, but it's worthless in predicting if I'm going to meet my perfect woman at the cafe across the street during my lunch hour. She could very well be there, but it is a decision that is beyond the realm of mathematics that makes me get up and talk to her.
And that is what Darko, quite elegantly, was postulating. You make things happen. People have an over-reliance on destiny and fate to explain their own inadaquacies or successes. If you got the job you interviewed for last week it was because you were damn good, not because it was written in the stars. If the girl of your dreams walks out of the bar without you talking to her it's because you're too timid or afraid of rejection: nothing to do with fate keeping you apart.
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Fate or Destiny dosnt exist.
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there is a theory (to do with quantum stuff)which basicaly says that the past present and future are all linked.its to do with ripples made by something happening at a molecular level, and these ripples happen after the fact.
but, the equations used to explain these ripples also works backwards, ie, reverse ripples before the event caused by the event. these ripples happen before what caused them, but wouldnt happen if what didnt happen caused them. its complicated, but the general idea is that, on a molecular level atleast, free will is there,(wether the event happens), but the result is known beforehand (the ripples). remember, theoretically, time is the same in both directions.
if anybody knows what the hell im talking about, perhaps they would care to clarify and elaborate. does this theory allow for both freewill and a redetermined future at the same time?
so aside from ignorance of the above, i think fate/destiny/whatever is bullshit.
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The only person in life you are predestined to meet is the Grim Reaper, a.k.a. Dom Deluise. The only thing we are all predetermined to experience is suffering. Sound sad? It is. That's existence for you! This whole planet would have been better off without us, anyway.
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The only person in life you are predestined to meet is the Grim Reaper, a.k.a. Dom Deluise. The only thing we are all predetermined to experience is suffering. Sound sad? It is. That's existence for you! This whole planet would have been better off without us, anyway.
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Yeh, you'd think the human body would make sure nothing like that happens... but atleast once a month it does. 
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