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Old 2004-07-02, 19:56
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Shouldn't age limits for shows be on posters?

Me and my boyfriend picked up a flyer a month ago and literally drooled. It was for a "semi-underground" gig, Deeds Of Flesh, Astriaal, and 4 other, smaller bands were going to perform.6 hours of godless black/death metal. The price was great too. We inspected the flyer and then the bigger poster for an age limit notice, and there wasn't one. We assumed it was all ages, so we told a lot of people to come along to the gig because it would definitely be awesome and there is safety in numbers.

On the day, my boyfriend couldn't go, and he was pretty disapointed. Anyway, I waited for awhile, got in, paid, and THEN they ask me for ID. You see, I'm not 18. I'm 16 and a half. I hate age limits, but I'm not angry at that. I'm angry that I've spent a month anticipating this gig.I'm angry that I've wasted 3 hours of my life traveling. I'm angry that I had to go into an unsafe part of town and had to wait around people who were smoking and drinking(the bar was open). I'm angry they didn't want just to put a cross on my hand. Seriously, aren't they required to put age limits on posters by law or something?
 
Old 2004-07-02, 19:59
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thats a great idea. sorry to hear you couldnt get in, my age hasnt stopped me yet though
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Old 2004-07-02, 20:02
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that sucks, you should really talk to the owner of the place or whoever made the poster. get some sort of justice or apology. 'cause 3 hours, that's a lot of gas money too.
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Old 2004-07-02, 20:04
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Its called giving fellatio to the bouncer. We've all had to do it one time or another.
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Old 2004-07-02, 20:05
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yea that should be mandatory...maybe all their shows (the venue) have age limits in which case maybe it was posted on the doors of the place or something?
I have never ran into this problem thankfully and now i never will

age limits are for the young
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Old 2004-07-02, 20:10
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your ticket says the age limit one it.
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Old 2004-07-02, 20:14
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In my state they just passed a law saying that underaged people could work at overage places. Haha my vocab sucks but it's nice to know 18 year old strippers can work at a 21+ bar.
 
Old 2004-07-02, 20:59
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eh. age limits are gay, we don't have them

it doesn't matter for me anyways.
 
Old 2004-07-02, 21:07
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Well, I'm too honest (and broke) to slip money to the bouncer. It was pay at the door and I got stamped. Small venue. Underground gig.There's nothing posted at the doors about any age limits either.

Personally, I despise age limits (stupid generalised standard yadda yadda how is a 17 and 354 day old any different from an 18 year old yadda yadda responcibility is not gained overnight blah blah most people are never old enough to drink, or drive or vote whine whine) but I live with them. I cried because I couldn't see Killswitch Engage and Soilwork because of the age limits but there is very little I can do about them, however, I didn't waste my time trying to buy a ticket because there was plenty of notice given that the gig was 18+.

I doubt I will get to talk to the people who designed the poster. They'll probably redirect me all over the place in circles until I give up and torch the place.

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place was probably a fucking dive in the first place.
Sounds like they didn't have good organization.
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Old 2004-07-03, 00:28
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Well, I'm too honest (and broke) to slip money to the bouncer.


Who said anything about money? I said give him head dammit!
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Old 2004-07-03, 00:30
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or punch him in the head...you pick which one
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Old 2004-07-03, 01:33
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DING DING DING!

You have 3 choices!

A)Be an idiot,start a fight with the bouncer, die young and leave a good looking corpse.

B) Be a slut and give the bouncer head. His girlfriend was there.

C) Be like me, complain loudly, and walk away swearing so loudly sailors would blush.


I would not felate a bouncer. Why? I'm an innocent straightedge pacifist who just happens to like godless stuff.


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Old 2004-07-03, 02:03
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i ment a choice in which head, his dick head or the actual head on his shoulders
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Old 2004-07-03, 04:36
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Too bad. Deeds of Flesh ruled live. NER NER.
 
Old 2004-07-03, 04:45
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DING DING DING!

You have 3 choices!

A)Be an idiot,start a fight with the bouncer, die young and leave a good looking corpse.

B) Be a slut and give the bouncer head. His girlfriend was there.

C) Be like me, complain loudly, and walk away swearing so loudly sailors would blush.


I would not felate a bouncer. Why? I'm an innocent straightedge pacifist who just happens to like godless stuff.


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Old 2004-07-03, 05:06
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its simple, if the gig is in a bar, you aint going to get in unless you have ID, as that is the law here in australia
you assume it is overage unless it states otherwise
there arent that many all ages gigs in Aus anyway, as the turnout from underage people is shit and pubs cant make money from beer sales
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Old 2004-07-03, 05:12
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Here in Oregon there was one time at a bar where even if you were under twenty one you could go see the bands that were playing there.
 
Old 2004-07-03, 05:20
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i have longish har, i have never been Ided while my hair was longer than my chin (i got IDed a couple of times last year after it was cut) which is probably just as well, as i look nothing like my ID pic anymore
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Old 2004-07-03, 06:05
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At the Waterloo hotel they just stamp your hand if you're underage. If I was a barkeeper, I'd sell cooled water for high high prices and turn the heaters right up. Like, way up.

Also, they shouldn't just trust people to assume. You can't trust people, there's 6.3 billion of them, and they're all different.


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Old 2004-07-03, 18:35
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Meh, usually the official website of most bands tell you all ages or so is the "tour" section.
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Old 2004-07-03, 19:41
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That fucking sucks. I would have complained, and if that failed, I would've paid off the bouncer.

And if I were a female, or M=L, i'd go for the fellatio.
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Old 2004-07-04, 03:16
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Heh

Well, here in good ol' oshawa, if ur age ends with "teen" ur in if ur band is good...
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Old 2004-07-04, 07:36
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I'd not felate the bouncer for a few reasons, and his GF was there. I had just enough money to get in and buy me a small piece of merch like a CD. What I had with me would never be enough to pay the bouncer off.

My boyfriend spoke to someone who got into that gig and saw me. TRANSCRIPTION OF THE CONVERSATION AS IT WAS RELAYED TO ME:

Dude: someone didn't get in, I got in before her and heard her complain. Damn the bitch was loud.

BF: Yup, that's my girlfriend.

Dude:.... Teehehee.
 
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Off subject, but it is still a little relevant. Disgorge are CONFIRMED to be coming to Australia now. Too bad it'll be 18+ most likely.
 
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I fucking love the new Disgorge


And Dissection is just pissed that he can only get laid by his finger.
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Old 2004-07-04, 09:05
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Yeah, the new Disgorge is fucking godly.
 
Old 2004-07-04, 09:18
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And Dissection is just pissed that he can only get laid by his finger.


OMG You didn't say that about him... Oh yes you did I bet he could get everyone here in for free.
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Old 2004-07-04, 09:33
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Mayhem and In Flames are coming too, but it's very likely they'll be over 18 only. CRY CRY!
 
Old 2004-07-04, 11:13
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Yeah.. and.. uh, Chimaira. :\
 
Old 2004-07-05, 05:11
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Disgorge better have some decent support, im not going to be paying any amout of money just to see them

but i would rather them to Mayhem and inflames (as they are now)
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Old 2004-07-05, 05:43
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Its hard to listen to Disgorge without Matty.
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Old 2004-07-05, 07:01
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eh, Matti never grew on me for some reason...And I was very open minded listening to him.
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Old 2004-07-05, 15:23
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Eh

Anybody ever heard of the unofficail band Evirus? Fuckin own, but 29th in october, in oshawa, at the dungeon, Cryptopsy,Divourment, And evirus are playin the whole fuckin night...it should own..but i still dun know if it is all ages...www.thedungeon.ca has nothin aboot ages...wtf is TBA..
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Man, I get real sweaty after I wack my dong. Yeah, cause I headbang while I do, and I can't really "Jump" (haha ) like VanHalen in a dorm room, so I just walk back and forth....haha a couple days ago I was jumping up and down on my bed, with my pants down and my roommate came in when I wasn't looking, hahaha.


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Mayhem and In Flames are coming too, but it's very likely they'll be over 18 only. CRY CRY!


dude...in flames is doing an all ages gig!! i will be in brisbane the week that its on. AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHH

i would definitely suspect mayhem of being over 18 though. would like to see them though!
 
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but gettin back to the topic, we do have a very shit metal scene.

its no wonder we dont have many underage metal shows, had only 5 this year i think that ive attended.

this doesnt mean i like it soooooo many atomizer shows being played and i aint seen one!!!!
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In my town almost all the shows are all ages, It's mainly kids that support the scene.
 
Old 2004-07-12, 18:48
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Ah fuck

Cant fuckin go to ozzfest this year
Fuckin sucks, judas priest and slayer have gotten back together, and now are playin at ozzfest 2004...BITCH!!
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Ummm and the origanal Sabbath lineup...... but of course who cares about them....
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I get sick of playing Ironman, and I never play it.
 
Old 2004-07-13, 01:24
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Except when you're in orchestra or band and some prep cellist or trumpet player player it. Then I hate the song.
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Man, I get real sweaty after I wack my dong. Yeah, cause I headbang while I do, and I can't really "Jump" (haha ) like VanHalen in a dorm room, so I just walk back and forth....haha a couple days ago I was jumping up and down on my bed, with my pants down and my roommate came in when I wasn't looking, hahaha.


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Heh

Iunno man, teh iron man solo fuckin owns, of course there are nuch better solo's, but this one is cool, O, and the intro
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