Video here. Just a warning though, its pretty fucking gruesome. http://users.adelphia.net/~btf/decapitation.wmv

BAGHDAD, Iraq - "A video posted Tuesday on an al-Qaida-linked Web site showed the beheading an American civilian in Iraq in what was said to be revenge for abuse of Iraqi prisoners.

The video showed five men wearing headscarves and black ski masks, standing over a bound man in an orange jumpsuit — similar to a prisoner's uniform. The man identified himself as Nick Berg, a U.S. civilian whose body was found Saturday near a highway overpass in Baghdad.

"My name is Nick Berg, my father's name is Michael, my mother's name is Suzanne," the man said on the video. "I have a brother and sister, David and Sarah. I live in ... Philadelphia."

After reading a statement, the men were seen pulling the man to his side and putting a large knife to his neck. A scream sounded as the men cut his head off, shouting "Allahu akbar!" — "God is great!" They then held the head up to the camera."

Discuss!

Damn Sand Niggers We oughtta just blow em away with some fucken Colts and Nades. Just totally 0wn everything over there. Their leaders on public TV and say FUCK ALLAH BITCHES.

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Jesus, these fucking dune coons. For once, I am at a loss for words. My only comment will be fucking rags.

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Yeah, the really fucked up thing is that this won't generate anywhere near the worldwide wave of revulsion that the POW scandal is generating. I'm saying what those Americans did wasn't wrong, because it was. These people have a history of doing this kind of thing, yet the world seems to be quiet. Remember that "worldwide wave of revulsion" when a pregnant Israeli mother and her four daughters were murdered in cold blood by Arabs who videotaped the atrocity? Remember the "worldwide wave of revulsion" when four security contractors helping to rebuild Iraq were burned alive, ripped apart, and hung from a bridge by Arabs in Fallujah? Remember the "worldwide wave of revulsion" when an Italian hostage was murdered by Arabs on video? ... You don't?

He said discuss, not shout out racial psuedo-intellectual slurs like a bunch of fucking rednecks.

Dear lord, that was disturbing to watch. Could anyone find the full translation of that 4 minute speech they did?


Whos to blame for this? Would you concider Rumsfield partially responsible for this since he let the beatings take place? This happening didn't come to a complete surprise to me. This could be the least they do to take revenge.

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hah! that'll show you damn Americans not to invade countries!

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that what i love about crazy ass islamic terrorists: eye for an eye.

"you fuck with us, we fuck you even more."

USA will never beat those guys.

That guy lived an hour and 15 minutes from me.

And luciferlad, if I ever see trash like that again, I'll fucking do the same to you.

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Oh, trust me, we will. Lets start dropping Nukes, then we will see who fucks with us after that. Fuck Iraq. We shouldn't be over there in the first place, now we are losing civilians. Fuck Bush, we need out of that hell-hole. Go Kerry!

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didnt they decapitate him becuase he took photos of them?

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I dunno.

but this is some sick shit, damned relgion freaks.

well this whole war wasn't all too smart to start off with, but they should have left and let those mofo's build up their own country again from sand. sticking around wasn't the good way.

oh, the first dutch soldier died this week, some sand homo threw a pipe bomb into his jeep while he was on leave and repairing their water supply in his free time.

goddamn unthankfull bitches, hang them all and paint them white!

(I'm only talking about those religion freak motherfuckers, not the rest of the population)

you mean the extremeists

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yup. but theres still loads of those out there, though I really think it won't be solved any time soon if it continues this way, how many us troops have died now?

You could say exactly the same about U.S.A.

Fuck, that video was horrible. I don't even know what to say. Poor guy.

exactly, thats some horrid shit, image his mum seeing that

it would have to be more than 200

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I thought it was way more??

probably, i have no idea really

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760+ have died since May 10th.

fuck

makes you think they should just roll in with nukes and waste the lot of the mother fuckers

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and kill half the population?

I mean, not all those sand niggers are extremist. but a part of them are.

that war should have been over with when saddam was captured, get the hell out of there, finish off the iraqi army and let them handle their own shit.

sure it'll be back to basics for them and it'll still be a shithole, but no one can change that, not even the allmighty us of a.

I worded that wrong. I meant, 760 have died up until May 10th. Obviously.

the thing is, the extremists dont care, they dont want civilisation at all, if George had have pulled everyone out as soon as sadam was gone, someone else would have taken his place

i do understand that for the most part, the Iraq people want what the western world is doing for them, but i think they probably need to be a little more active in "dobbing in" the fucking terrorists

thats what we have here

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yeah, someone else would have taken his place, like that al sadr guy.

but.. do you think we can change that? can you teach a rat tricks?

I don't think they'll ever be civilized there untill they get a great economy or something, like the richer surrounding arab countries. they're just fucked now.

thats why we nuke em, and let Kuait take control

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now thats a good idea, write that in a letter and send it to bush, it might just happen!

I saw the video on CNN this morning. They had the decency to not show the actual decapitation. I do not want to see that. It's sad and horrific enough to know it happened.

I don't think the right way to go about remedying the problem is to flatten the country because it isn't majority that are doing it. It's those few radicals that are making it miserable for their own people along with us.
It makes me sick to hear of how many peaceable people from around the world are being tortured and killed. And yet they say the war is over ? I don't think so.

But they're talking about whether the surplus of photos that are being reviewed will be made public. Maybe they will just to draw some ratings, but I think sensationalism will be used to gain TV ratings instead if they are. And that's bullshit. While they are doing their bitching about how horrid their pow's have been treated exactly how much better have any of ours been treated by them ?

More merc's need sent over there if you ask me.

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I am devoid of empathy. I really don't care either way. Damn, you boys are sensitive.

you don't care about your countrymen beeing killed by some allah-worshipping dickholes?

What kind of joke is that.

Oh my damn!

That was worse than the David Peril beheading video! Did anyone else see that video?

Notice that they all were masked like the cowards and criminals they are. Hell, it took nearly all of them to hold a tied up man down while they use a damn pocket sized knife to... well, see for yourself. They know that if anyone finds out who they are it will mean their asses! I don't think it will too long before someone catches them, and if a reward gets put out for them, they might back stab each other first. They are clearly amateur bastards and I hope that the people of Iraq find them first, smacks the hell out of them, and ask," What the fuck were you bitches doing?", then finally give them fair punishment. I think most of the people in Iraq feel ashamed about this and would love to give these fucks what they deserve, because he was a civilain and there to help. I think it would have all been different if he were military.

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Your bullshit tough-ass act is fucking gay. I wish I could find you and fucking beat the snot out of you. You fucking cunt. Go listen to shitty half-assed purposely retarded black metal. Oh wait, you probably already are.

Don't you hate it when people punish others for the deeds of some? We should send that fucking bitch in those pictures over there. I want to see them kick her ass.

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Nuke the bastards!!! fuck em all, their all uncivilised bastards which dont deserve human rights

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in that case, would you be so much better

Soulinsane ,there are a lot of military people over there trying to help, too. They do a lot more than just the 'power' aspects. It's just that that is what we see most of the time. Just like the news, there's more good being done than bad but that's what people want to hear about for safety and security reasons among others.

If you guys remember the blackout the north coast had last September, I think it was ,it scared the crap outta me because I hadn't heard what it was caused from. All I could think of was Bob being sent into an emergency situation fresh out of bootcamp. I've never felt that panicked and helpless before. I can't imagine how these families are feeling.

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All this fucking bullshit leading to nothing but another escalation of violence. People must stop thinking like you.

Would you also nuke those american soldiers who manhandled and humiliated Iraqi prisoners and killed Iraqi civilians (including children) ?

Damn....

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The action they took was really fucking extream, but then again in their religion it says something like: "Do not start the fight, but fight back hard when started" (I could be wrong, if so please tell), but then again at this point all I can say is a quote by S.O.D. "Fuck The Middle East".

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Kill em all

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I know what you mean because I was over there just before the Iraq thing started and I meant no ill will to anyone that didn't wish it on me. I only wished to help make quality of life better for others. What I meant earlier was that it would have been understandable, but no less horrible, if it were a military person because you would expect your enemy to destroy you and so does your family, but as a civilian one should be protected from shit like that. Dead is dead even if its fair, civilian, or military but it is the militaries job to take the bullet before the peeps they are protecting do. No one is forced into the military now and it is completely explained that shit may go south one day and no one may care, but thats your choice. The poor dude in the video had no choice. As for the news... those bastards don't know about everything that happens and they only show the crap that razes people for ratings, but it is in or nature to be attacted to look and know about morbid shit despite how nobel we believe we are. Evil deeds makes history but that video was far to sick

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The action is not more extreme than everything that has been done before, it's just that they filmed it and put it on the internet. I'm sure there has been several other tortures or decapitations before. And don't generalize : Middle East is not only extremist movements, a lot of Iraqi disaprove the horrible acts that are being done. Same applies for United States or any place in the world : you can't blame a country as a whole.

True man... True.

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This is not the only Islamic extremist beheading I've seen on the net. Some of these Al Quida assheads did this same thing on video in afgan 2 years ago to a reporter named Divid Peril from NY that came over to do a story for them because he believed in there rights. They invited he over, cut off his head, and put it on the net. He was also Jewish like this poor dude, as if that were some other damn reason for them.

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Yeah, I agree with you, Soulinsane. I see where you're coming from. Military people are there to help protect. I'm wondering if anything was ever said about how they got him in the first place? It's still a sad state, but more people , like you, who actually have first hand accounts of what was going on are the ones I'd be more apt to believe. I remember the David Peril thing, too.

All the whining people over here do when they've done as bad and worse is so ignorant. I agree that whoever creates a violation of POW rights should be dealt with by their own government.

I saw a show about a Japanese passenger ship that our Navy accidently sunk somehow. (I missed the first part. ) And about 12 students and teachers were aboard. The Navy bent over backwards to help those people have closure and spent millions to retrieve the bodies for them when others said it couldn't be done. Only one wasn't found. That family brought a rose for each sailor who helped and the sailors in turn took the flowers to the kid's locker on the ship. They retrieved his camera at the families request and contacted the company to see how to preserve the film which they had developed. The ship was dragged further into the ocean and sunk in deep water so as not be disturbed by tourists, etc. also at the families request.
The captain of the ship said that he knew the families were devastated from their losses, but he was stripped of his military duties and dishonorably discharged. He said he was just as devastated because of what was done to him. THAT pissed me off. How damn selfish !! Those were kids !!

But the military does a heck of a job in many ways. Those few assholes should get their come upin's!! Brig time and Dishonorables !!!!

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im not watching i dont plan on coming back into this thread and reading what everyone else said. a mod should edit that post and eliminate the link to the video, its as bad as a snuff film. dont watch it, have some respect

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meh, I agree its really shocking, but some people do want to see it because they want to see if it really is that shocking.

well, it is.

The guy who posted the link IS, in fact, a mod.

EDIT : and we're not discussing how enjoyable the video is, don't worry. You should read the posts.

you choose to watch it, or not. its your choice, you don't have to.

but I agree, its one of the most horrid things I've ever seen

ha good comment, but i think they had good reason for invading iraq

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In my opinion :

1 - It's not a good comment at all. It doesn't show anything but extremists' stupidity and close-mindness.

2 - No reason is good for invading another country.

well, the reason america used wasn't good IMO, half of the intelligence was crap, but they're only figuring that out now.

Saddam wasn't a real treath, his army was shit, but he did have a big mouth, look what a pathetic fuck he ended out to be...

anyways, shit happens, but they should have gotten the hell out of there

i think i saw that other video, the one with the guy getting his head chopped off, it was in black and white and the practically sawed through the guys throat, quite disturbing, it scarred me in some way it was really hard to watch and i havetn seen this one yet. not sure if i want to. it sick how barbaric a human being can be towards another

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What would nuking all of them do? It is the extreamist groups that are doing this, not the country. Who says they are uncivilized? The country is poor, but they are not primates. A "Kill them all" attitude is just a quick alternative to get rid of the problem, but would cause much more.

I think people, if wanting to, should see the video. If everyone had the same mind set as Transient, then the media/gorverment could but out any video they pleased and claim it ture.

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Hey, hanging used to be legal here 100 years ago and when the rope was too high the head usually came off. And it was required in many states to go to hangings. Pictures of the bodies were taken, too.

I said earlier that I chose not to view the beheading. I can get enough mental pictures of it without seeing it. I've learned from my own experience and I have nightmares enough. It wouldn't be forgotten though. And it shouldn't be.

Nuking the country would only take care of those in the country . What about the ones who are in the US and England and Japan and Bulgaria? They'd crawl out of the woodwork like ants.
Actually I think the mercenary idea is the best way to eliminate the few.

MetalMilitiant--If you don't think you want to see it you don't have to. Freedom of choice. You are NOT run by a Hitler that would force you to. You know yourself better than most so don't subject yourself. You're aware of what happened and that's all you need to know.
That's my personal opinion.

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You're right.

No one can force your computer to show it and you don't have to read it, but don't try to ignore the facts by condemning and cencoring the topic out of reality. It is important to remember mistakes. Respect others rights to have the choice to see it.

L,B'XXX, I could discess that Japan boat thing in great detail. For now, the sub captain Ahab was not as careful as could have been while surfacing, decided to wing it and hit the Japan ship while coming up ( what are the chances right ). Armor plated war ship designed to have 100's of psi pressure on the water tight hull vs. small Japan fishing boat = fishing boat on the bottom of big blue pond like a lead bolloon in 10 minutes. Capt. Ahab then got the sub stuck on the bottem of the bay while coming home a few weeks later by winging it again during low tied. Relieved of duties... the powers above or below couldn't stop that. Dishonorable discharge ... bad attitude got him that one. As Captain you are acountable for everything, everyone,and every action on the ship even if it wasn't your watch. He tried to blame it on the crew, but this sub hasn't had a problem before or since after his removal. Remember, there are no bad crews, only bad leaders.

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agreed, all hell would break loose

I think the mercenary idea is great too, does anyone have one I could join that hunts down known asshead terrorist pussy's that hide like cowardly punks ( no puck is to good a word for them ), cowardly... someone make up something fitting!

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Seriously, the more you'd kill them, the more they'd put bombs and train kamikazes.

It's no joke. I just don't really give a fuck. Sue me, I'm racist, and half of America is shit.

Your right of course, but one day this shit must stop somehow or no one will know what is right or wrong or who is right and the world will be littered with poeple that... wait... to late!

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I'll reiterate once more: HALF OF AMERICA IS SHIT! As long as we're killing some of those "allah-worshipping dick holes" as well, then I don't care. No one I know or care about is even in the war so why should I give a fuck if some niggers and christians die?

I heard about this on the news today and let's be honest, after seeing all those pictures of our guys degrading Iraqi prisoners, can anyone seriously say that they didn't expect these Islamic extremists to exact their revenge? It was only going to be a matter of time and unfortuantely it happened to this poor chap.

What grates with me though, is that Western leaders are coming out to condemn the act as barbaric (I'm not disputing that it isn't) but when it comes to our own behaviour those same leaders are silent. Pot. Kettle. And Black. I firmly believe that this occupation, if you will, is still a war and that both sides are committing war crimes every day. Who will go to The Hague and face trial for these crimes? Not Tony Blair or George Bush that's for sure. Even so, I think The Poodle would fall on his sword to protect his master.

The situation in Iraq now is so complicated that a solution seems light years away. We can't pull out now as that would herald a brutal civil war between the Sunni and Sh'ite populations; a civil war that would be a direct result of the US and UK invading Iraq. Pulling out will also damage Bush and Blair's reputations. By doing so, they would in effect be admitting that they made a grave mistake in invading Iraq.

The problem with continuing the 'occupation' is that our guys are dying every day at the hands of suicide bombers. This is a battle we just can't win: for every suicide bomber that goes forth and sacrifices himself in the name of Allah there are two ready to step into his smouldering sandals. Add into this scenario the fact that we are abusing the very people that we are supposed to be helping and you will find that we are digging a very large hole that we are struggling to get out of.

You only have to look back in history to see a comparison. History is there as a means by which we can relive past glories or, more importantly, learn from our mistakes. Unfortunately it seems that our leaders haven't studied their medieval history in a long time and I seriously doubt whether Bush learnt about it in the first place.

Well here's a refresher: 900 years ago the Crusades were initiated to convert the Middle Eastern Islamic countries to Christianity. We believed that we were doing the right thing then and we believe that we are doing the right thing now. Although our reasons for crusading this time are different, another similarity can be gleaned from comparing these two epochs of history: we are doomed to fail and return to the west a wounded beast.

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What I'm telling you is : it won't stop even if you try to eliminate EVERY ONE OF THEM. As johnmansley said, for every terrorist killed, you've got a crowd waiting to take their revenge.
EDIT : Nothing is perfectly right or perfectly wrong in this world, but violence - any kind of violence - is wrong for sure. It leads nowhere. Just look at what they did : the only consequence of this horrible act is "justifying" what the american soldiers did to Iraqi prisoners.

No,the same leaders DID condemn the troops in the POW scandal, you're wrong. I doubt very much, like I said in my first post, that this will generate the outrage that the POW scandal did. Pulling out of Iraq at this stage would be disasterous, unless of course we turn it into a parking lot.

You've never cared for the millions of death caused by war everywhere in the world ? That's pretty selfish if you ask me.

Perfect. Your a smart guy, John. If only some people could share your view.

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Politically, your views are well put. I still don't give a fuck though.

The fact is, C.I.A. probably pushed the troops to humiliate the prisoners so it's easier to interrogate them afterward. And that, no one will condemn.

If only you had a good reason for doing so. It seems you're just trying to look hardcore by not feeling anything.

No, they're a bit flawed. The stakes are higher now, pulling out and returning to the west as a wounded beast isn't an option.

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Whatever happened, they'll return to the west wounded. They have already lost hundred of men.

We are not fighting with swords and horses though brow. I respect your thoughts but if any of the people alive today could remember the wars of the dark ages then maybe there would be no more wars. People do remember why war is so bad, once they fight it, but then they grow old and die, leaving the young blood to learn for them self. War is natural to people and intelligence or history can't change that, only exsperience. Thats why there are gaps of time between wars. Countries run out of money, people, or realize that it makes things suck so they stop for a while. Not many wars settle who's right anyway.

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Yeah, I saw Bush's belated interview too. He hardly apoligised on behalf of the American nation for what happened/is happening and I wasn't satisfied with what he had to say. I'm guessing many others feel the same. On the flip side our leaders are quick to pipe up when it's our guys at the hands of degrading and barbaric abuse.

It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out that Bush doesn't give a rat's arse about the Iraqi people. We all know that he wanted to use Iraq as a scapegoat for 9/11, finish what his father couldn't and than plunder the profits from construction and oil contracts. He doesn't care if the Iraqi people suffer along the way.

You're right though, this beheading wont cause the outrage that our own abuse has garnered. Here's the reason why: we are supposed to be helping these people rebuild their country; not abusing them. Even if they are rebels, that doesn't give us the right to degrade them. How can we expect the Iraqi people to adopt a democratic system if we can't even behave in a humane and civilized manner ourselves?

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That's so true!

No, that's not it. It is a good reason because investing my emotion on others is a waste of time. It doesn't make much sense to me really, and I'm not very "hardcore" either. I shop at Abercrombie, American Eagle, and Hollister. I also play soccer. Trying to be hardcore? No, I think not. I haven't made an effort to be hardcore before and I see no need to start now.

Hey, my dad's ship was hit in WWII by kamikaze. He was devastated for life by it, but I never knew about any of it til he was too full of cancer and morphine to talk about it. I have his uniform, but when he got squat for help once he came back he threw away his medals. What a history lesson I missed ! But he couldn't talk about it.
I have pennants he got around the world and one from the base where he and his shipmates were for r and r. And then ,to top it off, he got a job on the Great Lakes Carferry and he was the last one off the ship when the captain screwed up and sank that ! Then he got ME !!!! (looks up --I'm sorry I was such a brat dad !!)

Soulinsane-- are you sure you're a nuke and not a Seal ? heh heh My kid is in Nuke electronics and on his way to prototype next month.
YOU ROCK ,DUDE !!! GOD BLESS YA !!!! . And thanks for trying to take care of us. Seriously. Navy #1 !

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No dude your write in all respect. I was responding to DameFramorkum before, sorry.

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Really? What were you responding to that I said?

I see what you mean about history not always being heeded but in this situation we should have learnt from it. The comparisons between the crusades and the modern predicament are there for all to see:

The west has a problem with the east - in the 12th century we wanted to convert Islam to Christianity. Now we want to 'exact regime change' since no WMD have been found.

Difference in military capability - in the 12th century we had the best armour and weapons. Now we also hold the military advantage.

Religious fantacism - in both situations the followers of Islam fight with every ounce of bone and sinew in their body and are willing to die for their cause.

Outcome? The Crusaders returned to Europe defeated due to the unsustainability of a remote war and the ferocity of the Islamic fanatics. What for the modern time, I wonder...?

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Damn, John, like Darko said, you're pretty smart. You appear to be well-read as well. How old are you anyway?

Yep, I am a Nuke and of ET reactor operation flavor at that, just like your boy unless you meant instead that he is an EM? Which Prototype reactor is he going to? I went to the MARF reactor in NY. Very hard path to follow in the Navy. Wish him luck for me and God bless you too! sounds like your father was a real life hero, rest his soul.

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Well, OK then, you're not hardcore, I apologize, even if I don't see what soccer and American Eagle have to do with what I said.
I still find it selfish to say that having some thought about dead people is a "waste of time". But hey, (luckily) I'm not your dad, think what you want.

No prob.

This

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Thanks! (blushes)

I'm 22 and I have nothing better to do than to read newspapers, watch the news and read.

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God dammit, I wanted to see it but it says yser badnwith is over its utilization or something. Could I just click save taget as??

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Because if I wanted to follow standards, I wouldn't do any of those things. It's not having thoughts about dead people it's about not wanting to invest my emotions.

You mean you have the time and brain capacity to read, interprit, and have a well educated opinion.

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If that was for me, I love you. (Sorry for treading your turf, Nihilist!)

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Your not a cyborg are you?

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We should all try and get her to break her programming, Jon Connor style!

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No, and why do you ask?

You just seem a little cold to me is all. I mean no harm, just funnen around is all!

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"I need your clothes... your boots... and you motorcycle."

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Cold? Eh, I'm distant from those I don't know. I warm up to a select few if they aren't total morons or assholes.

It was.

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Haha, here we go again with Darko...

I go to a boarding school that prohibits me from having a life. Any more questions?