Reading these shouldn't be a problem. To play them use alternate picking (that means your pick follows the movement of "down, up, down, up". As with connecting them, this is how it is done:

Order of modes.

Ionian (major)
Dorian
Phrygian
lydian
Mixolydian
Aeolian (minor)
Locrian

Each scale starts on the 2nd note of the previous scale. The order of the scales is always the same. The only thing that changes is the position of them which changes along with the key.


So in this attachment, its in Am so we start with Aeolian on the A on the big E. Locrian is the next scale (see the pictures to connect). If say you where composing a solo for a riff in F major, you would place Ionian on F on the big E string.

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Four Harmonic Minor scales. These are very common in metal. Play them to hear why:

http://metaltabs.com/forum/attachme...ttachmentid=562

Note: These follow the same rules as the modes

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here

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more!

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WOW!
thanx Darko you rules

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Nice

Sorry to be a stupid cunt but would you happen to have the harmonic minor scales in tab form? The form in your attachments makes my eyes cross.

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That's cool Darko. Thanks.
God job!!!

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Darko.....what a strange nam. Where are you from ???

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california

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damn darko whats that avatar ?? is that a kid raping a teddy bear what the hell ??!!!!!!!

anyways thanx darko thats good work
goodluck

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hehehe

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its basically the Aeolian (natural minor) with a major seventh

in tab form, A on a standard tuned axe itd be

D----------------6-7-9
A--------5-7-8
E-5 -7-8


red notes bein the root of A

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check out this dodgy japanese scale... slayer use bits of it in 'at dawn they sleep'

e-------------------------------------------9-11-15~
B------------------------------------9-10
G--------------------------8-9-10
D-----------------7-8-10
A---------5-6-8
E-3-5-6




heres a good common sweep; the dimished bastard! (3 strings)

e-------------9h12p9-------------------12h15p12-------------------15h18p15
B--------11-------------11----------14---------------14----------17---------------17
G----12---------------------12/15-------------------------15/18-----------------------18


etc

move it up/down 3 frets each time, coz its comprised of minor 3rds, all inversions are covered after 3 steps

enjoy!

oh yeah, use your index ring and 'up yours finger' for this

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heres another 2 vital metal scales im surprised havnt been mentioned yet; the DIMINSHED beasts!

the 2 main types: Whole-Half dim and Half-Whole dim


ill show them in a simple tab scaley thing

HALF-WHOLE in E: E F G G# A# B C# D

e---------------------------------------------------0-1--34
B-------------------------------------------0--2-3
G---------------------------------0-1--3-
D----------------------0--2-3-
A-------------1-2--4-
E-0-1--3-4

notice how each set of notes are in 'clumps' of 2? its one half interval, then a whole


the WHOLE-HALF is similar, but like this

in E: E F# G A A# C C# D#

e-------------------------------------------------0--2-3
B---------------------------------------1-2--3
G-----------------------------0--2-3
D--------------------1-2--3
A---------0-1--3-4
E-0--2-3

to get a feel of these riff styles check out these:

CRYPTOPSY PHOBOPHILE
D-----6"-------5"---9-8-6-4-----------------------
A---6"---6"-7"-----7-6-4-2---0"-4"-7"-0"-6"-7"-6"-4"
E-4"---------------------------------------------

EDIT: i tabbed out phobophile wrong, has been corrected

INIQUITY : desidegrated profligancy

D------------------------8"------------*
A--------------------5"-----6"--------3
E-0"-34--0"-34-----------------0-1-

DYING FETUS : REDUCED TO SLAVERY

A----------------4--7"8-7"-------8"-7"-------------7"-8-7"-------------------------4
E-3-2-0-3-2-0-2-----------10"----------8"-7"----------------10"--3-2-0-3-2-0-2

CANNIBAL CORPSE : HAMMER SMASHED FACE

D---------------------------------------7-------------------------------------------3--------2
A---------7h10p7--6h10p7---9-9--5---9----7----3h6p3--2h5p2----5-5--1---5-4-2
E-0-2-1--------------------------7-7------7--6-5--------------------------3-3------3-2-0

SCALE FILL THING from a dream theater song (fatal tradgedy)

D---------2-6
A---1--4------5
E-0---------------3~


if you want more post a reply and ill get some, also see the diminshed sweepage that i mentioned earlier in this thread

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from how much time do you play guitar +--deifiler--+ ??
You rock dude

haha cheers! *blushes*

from how much? as in how much a day etc? a fair bit... i practically live it and my computer:P

gotta put time into my band so i havnt practiced a lot lately, mainly work on makin songs!

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no, how much years dude

Ok, I'll try those out later on.

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Thats a fucking awesome slayer song, in fact the whole Hell Awaits album has some sick chromatic riffs on it.


and....


heres a basic sweep pattern to practice

e--------------14-17p14-------------------------14---------------------16-20p16----------
B-----------14------------14------------------14----14--------------16-------------16-------
G-------14-------------------14-----------15-----------15-------17--------------------17----
D----15-------------------------15-----16-----------------16/18--------------------------18~
A-16--------------------------------16-----------------------------------------------------------
E--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Can someone tell me about those sweeps like, if they have two notes played on the same string after each other like:

---16--17---

if you get my point... Is there a hammer-on like should I pick only the first one or should I pick them both?

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better you pick both the notes...cuz it will help in adding momentum to your sweep when you are returning with an upstroke

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If it has 2 notes on the same string (during one stroke) then its not a sweep. And oyu can really make your own sweep easyly. Sweeps are arpreggos, meaning 3 root notes in a chord. So take your favorite chord and make a sweep out of it using the arpreggo.

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Ok... Thanks dudes, that cleared it a lot!

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dont diss him, he started this thread

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i just read over alll that stuff theres fuken alot to learn there good shit boys

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Yup.. Favorite chord.. meaning any chord you can think of..

lets use.. an.. Am7add9

notes are: A C E G B

------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------
---------5h9p5----------------------------
------7----------7--------------------------
-5h8--------------8h5----------------------

or.. another variation:

---------------------8h12(h15p12)p8-------------------------------
-----------------10-------------------10---------------------------
----------9h12---------------------------12p9---------------------
------10----------------------------------------10------------------
--12-----------------------------------------------12-------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Heh.. good luck with the second one.. i added a tap just to fuck with you all..

Hopefully you people got the point..

if not, chew on this one:

---------------9 h10 h11 t16 s17 t21 p17 s16 p11 p10 p9-------------------
------------9------------------------------------------------------9----------------
---------8-------------------------------------------------------------8------------
-----11-------------------------------------------------------------------11--------
-12---------------------------------------------------------------------------12----
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

btw.. Amaj7b5add11 (notes are: A C# Eb G# D)


MWAHAHAHAH... use of double tap, tap slides

sounds pretty jazzy, but if you can shred to that, it's pretty fuckin cool

Hell, if you are good with double taps, you can even add a tap on the 17th fret for the variation of the Am7add9 arpeggio

Thats an awesome sweep Kjeldgor, very impressed. Im going to use it as an example when i re-edit the thread so that all the downloads/faqs are in the very first post.

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Try this:

----------------------8h12(t15p12)p8----------------------
-----------------10-------------------10----------------------
------------5s9--------------------------9s5-----------------
---------7------------------------------------7----------------
------7-----------------------------------------7--------------
-5-8----------------------------------------------8-5---------

It's an A minor apreggio (A C E)

or..

--------------------9h12p9-------------------------------
----------------10---------10---------------------------
-----------6s9----------------9s6----------------------
--------7---------------------------7-------------------
------7-------------------------------7-----------------
-5-9------------------------------------9-5---------------

That's an A major arpeggio (A C# E)

HERE'S A SCALE,ITS WEIRD,BUT COOL SOUNDING.

INTERVALS:1,b2,3,4,5,b6,b7

NOTES(IT'S IN E):E,F,G#,A,B,C,D


---------------------------------------------------------12-13-16
----------------------------------------------12-13-15
---------------------------------------13-14
----------------------------12-14-15
-----------------12-14-15
-----12-13-16

YOU COULD ALSO USE IT IN A,AS HARMONIC MINOR

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is a scale made by those doe rey mi fa so la ti doe thingies?

^
Put simply, yes.

Most solos are based around scales. Metal scalled based solos are usually based around the pentatonic scales and sometimes blues scales but other players like to experiment with other rarley used scales.

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ALL solos are in scales. They sound good because they are in scale (wich should be in key).

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i knew that. thats not what i asked

Darko I looked on your major scale. It's played in C right? When I play it in A it goes like this

--5-7-
-4-5-7-
-4-7-8-
-4-7-8-
-5-8-
-4-5-

And, when I put it in, for example, C, I just go up on the 8th fret of the 6th string and play it exactly the same. Is that wrong?

I got the scales on cyberfret.com...

I don't fully understand your question but I think this is the anwser your looking for. If you move the scale anywhere you always play it the same. No scale has an actual "home key" where its originated for. Lets say you see a scale in C and you want to play it in E, you play it exactly the same as you would in C.

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What I meant was, your Ionian (Major scale) looks NOTHING like the way I play it. Look at the tab 2 posts up...

edit: http://www.cyberfret.com/scales/basic/page2.php

That's where I got the scales..

In no where on there does it say "Iolian Scale". They post a major scale, but not Iolian. Those are more for traning than usage besides the blues.

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But Ionian and Major is the same thing? And Minor and Aeolian is the same thing?

And, Iolian? What is that?

Major and Iolian is not the same thing. Those are major and minor Pentitonic scales, very differnt.

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Note to self: Get Better.

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Hmm...Im a little confused about sweep picking.

Would this be an example of sweep picking?


-----------------3--------
---------------1----------
------------5-------------
-5-------6----------------
-------2-----------------
-----3--------------------


?

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yes, yes it is

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Ok, cool

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Do you guys want me to post the tones, and semi tones for each type of scale, so you can build the scales?

Example:

Major scale:
1 - 1 - 1/2 - 1 - 1 - 1- 1/2
(1= tone, and 1/2= semi tone)

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Does anyone know th correct tab to do the Appregio part of
Dying Fetus' "Kill Your Mother Rape Your Dog"

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Some dude posted it hear and when I played it, it sounded correct (to my memory). Make sure your in the right tunning too.

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What is an Iolian scale and how is it?

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on sweeps:

I've seen some exercices on the net, i'm learning them (but i'm not very good and I hardly play for 2 years, not even)

I understand sweeping and stuff...
But does anyone has a video of the left/right hand while sweeping slow and fast?

this would really help alot...

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ultimateguitarpage.com

I saw this on a t.v. lesson show once...
lefthand 1stfinger on 5, 3rd on 7, and righthand index on 10, righthand 2nd on 9
(use same fingering all the way through)

|-----------------------------------------10h12h14--|
|-------------------------------10h12h15------------|
|------------------------7h9h11---------------------|
|----------------7h9h12-----------------------------|
|---------5h7h9-------------------------------------|
|-5h7h10--------------------------------------------|


|-p12p10-----------------------------------------------------------|
|--------h12h15p12p10----------------------------------------------|
|-----------------------h9h11p9p7----------------------------------|
|----------------------------------h9h12p9p7-----------------------|
|----------------------------------------------h7h9p7p5------------|
|--------------------------------------------------------h7h10p7p5-|

this is good for all scales.

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Ok... I've been through some exercices but I see different possibilities...
Which one is the best?
For example:

---------12h15-12--------------12h15-12-------------------
-----13--------------13-----13--------------13--------------
-12----------------------12-----------------------12---------
-----------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------
(hammer on the 15 and upstroke the 12 - 13)


OR:

---------12-15p12--------------12-15p12-------------------
-----13--------------13-----13--------------13--------------
-12----------------------12-----------------------12---------
-----------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------
(upstroke the 15, pull off to 12 and upstroke 13)

It looks like the first option is a bit faster but a bit harder too (timing and so)
But hey I'm just a sweep beginner

thanks

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here, i got one wich is good for practicing.... but the basics of sweeping should already be learned...

|-------3h7/10p7--------|----------8h12/15p12-------------|
|------3--------8-------|---------8----------13-----------|
|-----4----------7------|--------9-------------12---------|
|----5------------9-----|------10----------------14-------|
|---5--------------10p5-|----10--------------------15p10--|
|3h7-------------------7|8h12---------------------------12|



|-------------10h14/17p14--------------|-------------15h19/22p19----------------|
|-----------10-----------15------------|-----------15-----------20--------------|
|---------11----------------14---------|---------16---------------19------------|
|-------12--------------------16-------|-------17-------------------21----------|
|-----12------------------------17p12--|-----17-----------------------22p17-----|
|10h14-------------------------------14|15h19------------------------------19\p3|

Most beginners should start off wit ha full 5 or 6 string sweep to learn because alot of them have those patterns in them that you posted.

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Lol Darko, are you serious?

But still, the highest 3 strings are the same in 6 string sweeps, so that still doesn't solve my problem...

Which way of picking the highest string is the best?

Thanks...

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|----12h15p12------12h15p12
|--13--------13--13--------
|12------------12----------

i think this is the best way to pick a sweep

That didnt explain anything Sluaghthammer.

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I heard sweeps and arpeggios were different because you can sweep anything, even an arpeggio, but an arpeggio was a chord.

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This is a sweep:


|-------------------------------|
|-------------------------------|
|------------9h12p9------------|
|-------8h11--------11p8-------|
|-7h10-------------------10p7--|
|-------------------------------|

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a sweep is nearly always an arpeggio, but an arpeggio is'nt allways a sweep, e.g.
|-0h4h7t12-| would bre an arpeggio, because that are the tones of E Major, but i think you agree the this is not a sweep. a sweep is anything played at one note per string eventually a hammer on/pull off on the first/last tone and while playing it you just move your pick as if you play a normal chord, but play each note single

I reccomend that all beginners in sweep picking check out John Petrucci's Rock Discipline video/dvd. He covers the basics and gives you some easy sweeps to get started with. If your more advanced it's great as well, because he throws in several hard sweeps.

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a quick question - is it good practice to also 'reverse sweep'? Ie down stroke the top note of the scale then sweep back down?

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yeah steve vai does it all the time, petrucci has done it more than a few times too.

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All exercises should be practiced forewards and backwords.

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bear with me guys, i'm not quite sure about the concept of sweeping yet, although it seems like it ought to be fairly simple to understand.

can i sweep, say, the ionian scale? somebody said one note per string, but can i practice picking once and hammering twice per string? i mean, yeah, i can practice that :P and have been, but is that considered a sweep?

it seems to be helping me either way, but i just wanted to make sure i know what an actual sweep is. thanks

Swep whatever you want. When you have more than 1 note per string I always use hammer-ons and pull-offs. Except the highest and lowest string in the arpeggio cause that keeps my timing right.

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i can sweep up scales pretty well even when each string has 2 hammer ons, but i find it nearly impossible to pick down the same sweeps with any sort of speed.

are there any tips that i'm missing with pickoff speed? when i started, i'd put all my fingers down, but now i barely put the next finger right behind my pickoff finger before i pick it off, and it still seems impossible to do quickly

or, do people just not do it that quickly down scales?

i'm getting pretty frustrated.. advice/sympathy would be good thx

On a sweep, you shouldn't let the other notes sound the same time(like a chord), it will sound messy, so yeah, lift your fingers of the note after you play it.

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Oh man, here is something I should have added at the very beginning of this thread. Its the order of modes.

Ionian
Dorian
Phrygian
lydian
Mixolydian
Aeolian
Locrian

Each scale starts on the 2nd note of the previous scale. In any key, the pattern is always the same and this is important to know, it opens up alot of notes.

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Bombass thread darko . I'm already starting to get this down and I've been playing for 6 months. You are the new Jesus.

ahh darko, yah, the order of the modes is quite helpful i had just learned them last week and was finally figuring out how to put all that stuff in your first post together, and now it all makes sense anyway heheh. really good stuff you put up.. i know it's helping a lot of us.

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just goin through this thread again, and there seems to be a misunderstanding.

yes, ionian = major, and that scale is in fact the same thing (almost anyway) as darko's major scale. it looks different, because, as you know, you can play a note on one string, and play it on a low fret on the next higher string. that's what they've done there.. they've also left out a few notes, and darko's covers every note in the scale.

Thanks for those killer sweep practices Pablo.

Yeah, the scales that I posted seem to be the best. Most people leave out notes, mix it up, ect.

Im planning some time soon to take all the sweeps and extra scales that people posted (and some of my own) and just make them all into one big post on the first page so people don't have to go through and find them.

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that'd be pretty helpful. it's always nice to cure boredom with a new scale.

i have a question about sweeps, which i've just started to practice in the past few days. when i start out, really slowly, i basically just pick each string and it's not much of a "strum". i just can't do it that fast yet, and my roommate said he thinks that i'm doing it wrong by not trying to move my pick hand completely evenly like you do with a chord. i kind of jump my pick hand to the next string. will i just be able to strum down the strings in time if i keep practicing it this way? do i just not have the speed yet? or do i have to practice in a very even "strum"?

Eh, you strum like you would a "rolled" chord, but after you play the note you're supposed to lift your fingers. Ya, know, so only one note is heard at a time.

I just found out something really cool. For us beginners, Flesh and the Power it Holds by Death is a good song to practice sweeping.

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right, i got that it should sound like individual notes bein played. im just not sure whether my right hand is doing what it should be. that song is downloading now, though, thanks for the tip

The other day I was dicking around with some tapping stuff I had in my head when I decided to tap out an arpeggio real fast. I played something like this:


B |---------------------------t-----19p12h15p12--|
F#|--------------------t-----18p13--t-------------|
D |-------------t-----18p14-----------------------|
A |------t-----18p14------------------------------|
E |-h12-19p15------------------------------------|
A |-----------------------------------------------|

Then go back up to the E-string using the same pattern. It's played at the same speed as if you were sweeping it (the notes must also be distinct like a sweep) with the taps effectivly taking the place of the pick striking the strings.

Anyway, I was wondering if anybody could give me an example of any guitarists who've used this technique or any more examples of it.

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john petrucci's video has some pretty good sweep exersizes for those of us just starting out:

e--------13-10---------------11-14---------------15-12---------
b------12------11----------12------13----------14------13------
g----11----------12------13----------12------13----------14----
d--10--------------13--14--------------11--12--------------15--
a----------------------------------------------------------------
E----------------------------------------------------------------

you can keep moving up a fret each time you get back to the bottom, and then move back down a fret each time you hit the bottom.

lookin to try some new ones...

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This is not a sweeppicking arpeggio but its a string skipping one that mimics an arpeggio.

__________12_15_18_21_18_15_12_________________
____________________t___________________________
_12_15_18______________________18_15_12________
_______________________________________________
_______________________________________________
_______________________________________________

Now You can choose to do hammer-ons or pulloffs or pick all the notes execpt for the note on the 21 fret.Thats usually a tap.

I'm merging this into the Scales and Sweep thread, next time post something like this in their. Check out wholenote.com and get the tabs for jason becker's "Seranna" which is all great sweeps.

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i recently got the nack of sweeping, but it seems that i can pull off an upstroke sweep almost flawlessly, yet, it hard as hell to do the same arpeggio pattern with a down stroke. any suggestions?


e----------12----------------------
B--------13--13--------------------
G-----12-------12------------------
D---14-----------14----------------
A-15---------------15--------------
E----------------------------------

this is the apreggio, it's a c major (correct me if i'm wrong)

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actually, here are the three arpeggios that i'm turning into a lick.

e----------12--------------
B--------13--13------------
G-----12-------12----------
D---14-----------14--------
A-15---------------15------
E--------------------------

e----------------12-16-12-----------
B--------------12--------12---------
G-----------13-------------13-------
D---------14-----------------14-----
A-------14---------------------14---
E-12-15--------------------------15-

e--------------12-17-12------------
B------------13--------13----------
G---------14-------------14--------
D-------14-----------------14------
A-12-15----------------------15-12-
E-----------------------------------

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Ha! I came up with an arpeggio. I don't know what the fuck its called or anything because I know absolutly nothing about theory. I was just messing around.


|---------------8h12t17/19/17p12p8-----------------
|-------------10-------------------10-------------------
|------5/9h12-----------------------12p9/5------------
|-----7------------------------------------7---------
|----7--------------------------------------7------------
|-5h8----------------------------------------8p5-----


does that make sense? I don't know if I broke any "rules" in theory or anything so please tell me if I did.

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I follow one rule... play what sounds good and if it sounds good, keep playing it.

I came up with something similar (although a little simpler) about a year ago only with -3/5h8- on the low E and -9h12p9- on the high E. Yours sounds way cooler though because of the tap slides.

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I am starting a basic theory thread soon, stay tuned.

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I have a question about fingering.

When you have a basic sweep like this:

|-17p12-------------|-------------10-13-|
|-------14----------|----------10-------|
|----------14-------|-------10----------|
|-------------14----|----12-------------|
|----------------16-|-12----------------|
|-------------------|-------------------|

What is teh best way to finger thoes 14s and 10s? With one finger (making it a bit harder to mute the notes after you play them) or with sepereate finger (making it harder to actualy finger the notes)?

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i have a question too

when i see (advanced) players solo, they move all over the fretboard instead of playing a single scale. How do they acomplish this? Do they play the scales of the chord progresion or are they playing different scales from the same key all over the fretboard?

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I barre them with one finger and employ a sort of rolling motion that allows you to fret the notes easily while still muting the notes once they've been played. As always, it takes a lot of practise to get this down perfectly but in my opinion it's the best method once you've mastered it.

SpikyHairz: They'll just be playing the same scale but in a different position up or down the fret board. You should learn a scale for the whole fretboard and not just in one position. It will take time to know it off by heart but it will allow you to play a lot more fluidly.

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yes, I know just what you mean. thats what I use now, but it is not perfect.

And you can use something called a secondary dominat to move to a different scale.

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Depends on their style. I show in the first page of the thread universal order of scales and if you memorize them and are able to play them in any key then you should be able to horizontaly rape the neck.

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The "Correct" way is to bar the 3 notes in a row. For me, if there are 2 or more notes in a row like that I bar it. But whatever makes it most easy for you.

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Great...thanx..!!! I will practice it!!!

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In my opinion Jason Becker is kind of arpeggios. U should all have heard serrana by now (not the acoustic one but the video) which is called serrana_part_1. The whole song is arpeggios and its one of the most beautiful things ever written. I dont really wanna tab it out its really long u can just download it at mysongbook.com or .ca i forget.

Here is a lick from "no boundaries" by Michael angelo, play it fast
------13-17---------------13-17------------13-17-----------13-17----
---15-------15---------15-------15-------15-----15-------15------15---
-14-----------14-----14-----------14---14---------14---14----------14-
----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------

-----13-18---------13-18---------10-15---------10-15-------------
---15-----15-----15-----15-----12-----12-----12-----12--------
-15---------15-15---------15-12---------12-12---------12------
---------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------

U might wanna listen to the song before trying it

Yeah, Serrana is an awesome song.

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Go to this website for ever scale, chord, and mode

http://www.looknohands.com/chordhou...r/index_rb.html

check this site out:
http://home.swipnet.se/freakguitar/scales.html

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