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Old 2005-04-28, 13:52
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Tell me if you think that the Thorns of Heaven tab is good enough motherfuckers
 
Old 2005-04-29, 00:11
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It would be nice to have the solos for summoning redemption
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Old 2005-04-30, 18:08
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Hey

"Decapitated - Blessed" is one song we miss in the archives

what do you think?
 
Old 2005-05-11, 15:53
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I Would Like to have a complete tab of Pungent Stench - Lyndie(she wolf of abughraib)
 
Old 2005-05-14, 22:00
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Old 2005-05-18, 00:31
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Angry someone!?!?

whats up fuckers... if someone could be so fuckin kind as to get the tabs for bloodgasm and e-mail me at coltin_grundy@yahoo, i would be extreemly gratefull, or catch me on yahoo messenger under rotten_dead_infant_reimbursed!!!! thanx again and remember "loss of divinity" IS THE SHIT!!!
 
Old 2005-05-18, 18:40
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is someone willing to tab some dying fetus stuff ?
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Old 2005-05-18, 21:24
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I would.. but I only have destroys the opposition and Grotesque Impalement. You can PM ThongPick.. he's been doing some dying fetus tabs and they look accurate.
 
Old 2005-05-18, 22:45
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someday youngguitarist and i will get around to tabbing Forced elimination
 
Old 2005-05-19, 21:54
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I have all dying fetus albums but i love the "your blood is my wine" song on the infatuation with malevolence album. The rhythm parts aren't so hard to figure out. But the sweeping an high stuff is a bitch.
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Old 2005-05-20, 22:38
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I would like to request some Frightmare tabs
go to www.slashermetal.com to check them out
they have Mp3s for "Friday The 13th" and "Midnight Murder Mainia"

I learned a few riffs but can't figure out alot of it.

From their album I would like to request at least one of these
•Cropsy
•Friday The 13th
•Black Christmas
•The Ripper

But I know for sure that they play in B,E,A,D,F#,B or standard 7 string B,E,A,D,G,B,E

It would really help out alot. Thanks.
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Old 2005-05-20, 23:17
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I'd like to see these songs:
Decapitated - Winds of Creation, The Eye of Horus, Blessed, and Nine Steps. I'd kill to learn any of those songs.

Behemoth - Zos Kia Cultus and As Above So Below.

Vader - Xeper and Frozen Paths.

Polish metal, ahoy! :P
 
Old 2005-05-20, 23:44
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as above was done, shittily, on www.mysongbook.com

xeper is posted on this website already

winds of creation is floating around on the net

i think 9 steps was posted on this website too. why dont you look on the actual site next time
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Old 2005-05-24, 21:28
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I was wondering on what songs Behemoth uses a 7 string. I think on As Above So Below in the video he is using an Ibanez 7 string.
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Old 2005-05-24, 21:52
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you must use your ears for that, bud. they use a seven string tuned down a half step. they do it on as above, so below as am atter of fact. whoever did the guitar pro really blew it. but one was just submitted for Conquer All with all the instruments thats perfect
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Old 2005-05-30, 00:30
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Does anyone have powertabs of any song off of Death-Human ? I looked here:
http://www.emptywords.org/sitemap.htm

but all the links are dead. Any help guys?
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Old 2005-05-30, 00:36
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NEVERMIND, sorry, powertabs.net, got it.
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Old 2005-05-31, 02:52
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CORE SOLUTION

Anybody working on Zyklon - Core Solution?

If nobody is, i'm willing to... but i'll need help with the solo and tuning... and crazy shit
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I was very bemused as a youngster watching the Golden Girls when Blanche said she was going to "spank her fanny" I had visions of a geriatric vertical bacon sandwich red and bruised from being disciplined!!!
 
Old 2005-05-31, 18:19
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I think the tuning is either D or Eb standard. Check my Zyklon tab for its tuning (yeah, I'm too lazy), it'll more than likely be the same.
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Old 2005-06-04, 18:16
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Anybody working on Zyklon - Core Solution?

If nobody is, i'm willing to... but i'll need help with the solo and tuning... and crazy shit


Yep,I`m up to the solo at the moment,expect it to be submitted soon.
 
Old 2005-06-04, 19:44
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Yep,I`m up to the solo at the moment,expect it to be submitted soon.

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Old 2005-06-07, 21:33
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Can some tab Houwitser - I Shape the Suffering?
 
Old 2005-06-10, 18:04
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Can someone tab out Scholomance - Part 1: Absense/Contorted Porcelain Faced Bitch? I've been waiting for a tab of this song forever and it doesn't seem this band has any tabs out. Much appreciated to those who can help me out. Any other Scholomance tab would be great too.
If you haven't heard the song but wouldn't mind hearing it to see if you could have a try at it, just private message me and I'll give you a link to where you can get it.

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Old 2005-06-16, 21:46
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Could anyone give "Cephalic Carnage-Dying Will Be the Death of Me" a go....that song's fucking catchy and i NEED to learn it...unfortunately i can't figure it out

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Old 2005-06-21, 01:40
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Could someone tab out Frightmare's Friday The 13th? I tried to learn it but I can't get past the first riff.

Here is the song if you want to learn it
http://www.slashermetal.com/sounds/...ay_The_13th.mp3
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Old 2005-06-21, 05:17
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Has anyone ever tried tabbing Gorguts 'With Their Flesh He'll Create'?
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Old 2005-06-21, 14:21
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love your avatar and matching sig

as far as i know both cloaca and yura tried tabbing that song. yura did a great tab for the erosion of sanity


yay for old school death metal. you have good taste
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Old 2005-06-22, 19:54
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Old 2005-06-23, 00:19
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ARGHHH!! YES!!!!! THANK YOU!!!


@younguitarist, 1 more riff to go on Fall From Grace
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Old 2005-07-04, 15:01
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anybody want to do The Optimist by Skinless? if you do... i'll be your slave... maybe..
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Old 2005-07-05, 03:58
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We need some Mortal Decay tabs. Anything off from Forensic will do just fine.
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Old 2005-07-11, 08:46
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Can someone tab Thy Kingdom Come by Morbid Angel? Damn, that's what I call a brutal song!
 
Old 2005-07-12, 03:55
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anybody want to do The Optimist by Skinless? if you do... i'll be your slave... maybe..


It's already done on Yura's site. Blood Scrapes. Mighty fine job too.
http://www.blood-scrapes.nm.ru/Skin...he_Optimist.txt

Now squeal like a fucking pig bitch!
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Old 2005-07-22, 16:50
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Akercocke

I will atempt to figure out pretty much any tab i have in my cd collection especially if its akercocke so any requests pm me and i will see what i can do.
 
Old 2005-07-22, 17:48
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It's already done on Yura's site. Blood Scrapes. Mighty fine job too.
http://www.blood-scrapes.nm.ru/Skin...he_Optimist.txt

Now squeal like a fucking pig bitch!


it's not working for me
 
Old 2005-07-22, 18:09
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we need some fucking dismember tabs in here... 4 tabs is realllly sad... who wants to help me do some? i'm retarded when it comes to fast solos.
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In the US "fanny" is a word used to describe the ass or butt. Here in the UK "fanny" is a lady garden (vagina)
I was very bemused as a youngster watching the Golden Girls when Blanche said she was going to "spank her fanny" I had visions of a geriatric vertical bacon sandwich red and bruised from being disciplined!!!
 
Old 2005-07-23, 11:17
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You have Blessed Are the Sick, right? Any chance that you could tab Thy Kingdom Come (txt or PT, preferably PT)? Many thanks if you could.
EDIT: sorry, I should have PM'd you. Stupid not-reading-posts- properly type thing.....
Can anyone do it, though?

How about a better version of Fall From Grace ( incl. solos)?

Thanks.

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Old 2005-07-23, 18:32
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i dont se a solo and man that romea and juliet part, he plays it weird lol, i tabbed a easy version of it
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Old 2005-07-23, 18:41
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MORTAL FUCKING DECAY

Tab "Brutalized and Defiled" now!!!
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Old 2005-07-23, 21:19
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i dont se a solo and man that romea and juliet part, he plays it weird lol, i tabbed a easy version of it


hahha yeah he does a shitload of slides..

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I like that song. What do they tune in?
 
Old 2005-07-23, 21:24
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yup, but i play it as an arpeggio
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Old 2005-07-31, 22:25
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Anyone fancy giving Man Must Die a go??? "All Shall Perish" or "War on Creation" would be good.....if you've not heard Man Must Die, check them out...they're worth it.

What ever happened to the guys tabbing out all the Hate Eternal stuff??? it's gone quiet...
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Old 2005-08-03, 13:58
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Can someone please make a powertab of "Liege of Inveracity" by Suffocation. Thanks
 
Old 2005-08-03, 14:48
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Jeez, it was hard enough to tab in text format! What more do you want?! Blood?!
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Old 2005-08-03, 14:51
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Jeez, it was hard enough to tab in text format! What more do you want?! Blood?!

hahahaha yeah I bet that one was a doozy.

Hate Eternal - Behold,Judas if anyone feels like it.
 
Old 2005-08-03, 15:18
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Yeah, and I bet mine is still only 75% correct, tops. Good grief, that one sure was a soul destroyer!
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Old 2005-08-03, 16:32
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Yeah, and I bet mine is still only 75% correct, tops. Good grief, that one sure was a soul destroyer!


Yes, and we all know how much of a good tabber John is. Just look at his Nile tabs.

I don't know if anyone ever got around to "Powers that Be" by Hate Eternal. If someone could link me, or direct me to it. Thanks.
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Old 2005-08-03, 17:16
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The only one I can find is here, albeit the same one stolen by Sqweeky at taborama.
 
Old 2005-08-11, 19:26
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We need more nile tabs dammit !! From the new album that is. I almost done tabbing user-maat-re by nile. Will submit soon
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Old 2005-08-11, 21:24
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Hey MTM, you asked for sleep terror tabs right? I found one at the sleep terror forum.
 
Old 2005-08-11, 21:36
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No fucking way! You remembered!

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Old 2005-08-11, 21:49
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*scurries to room, tunes guitar to E flat, scurries back to computer*
I think I can play most of that, they're like Necrophagist fast 8th note riffs, only a bit harder. Perfect timing too, I just finished learning Reciprocal. Oh yeah I powertabbed Reciprocal the other day just for the hell of it, I gotta ask if Rob wants it.
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Old 2005-08-11, 21:53
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Cool. Apparently sleep terror's drummer left the band.
 
Old 2005-08-11, 21:55
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Cool. Apparently sleep terror's drummer left the band.

Last I knew, he didn't have one, so I guess its double new news for me
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Old 2005-08-12, 06:25
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*scurries to room, tunes guitar to E flat, scurries back to computer*
I think I can play most of that, they're like Necrophagist fast 8th note riffs, only a bit harder. Perfect timing too, I just finished learning Reciprocal. Oh yeah I powertabbed Reciprocal the other day just for the hell of it, I gotta ask if Rob wants it.

Send it to me bro, Rob won't have any problems with it. It makes him happy.
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Old 2005-08-14, 10:37
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Who wants tabs of Cryptopsy's "Serpent's Coil" and "Soar And Envision Sore Vision"???

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Old 2005-08-16, 08:07
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Could someone tab "Cabinet" - Spawn of possession ??
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Old 2005-08-16, 09:27
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I would like that aswell. Sounds kinda hard though.
 
Old 2005-08-16, 09:45
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I would appreciate even few riffs, especially the first one.
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Old 2005-08-16, 15:50
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has cryptopsy's abigor been requested yet? cause i'd love to have that tabbed out.
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Old 2005-08-16, 22:13
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Old 2005-08-17, 22:10
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Old 2005-08-18, 17:30
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I would like to see Hate Eternal's The Victorious Reign and I, Monarch tabs. Pretty much anything fromt hat cd would be good IMO.
 
Old 2005-08-18, 17:50
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Hi I'm new here
I've searched for long the tab of "Revelation Of Black Moses" from Vader
but I could not find it anywhere so I'm now trying it in this Forum

Please, could somebody tab this one????
I think it's not really difficult

Thanks a lot
 
Old 2005-08-19, 15:28
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If someone is bored, please tab Gorgasm - Corpsefriend
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Old 2005-08-19, 16:19
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id like to see a tab for behold judas or i monarch
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Old 2005-08-19, 16:43
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id like to see a tab for behold judas or i monarch


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Old 2005-08-19, 23:20
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I'd like to see some Thorazine tabs.

PM me, even if you've got only small bits of any of theire songs tabbed.
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Old 2005-08-20, 01:22
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I'd be stoked if somone could tab Atonement by Opeth (off ghost reveries) Or at least that opening guitar riff. I really wanna learn that riff.
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Old 2005-08-20, 03:09
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wait till it comes out will ya
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Old 2005-08-22, 02:19
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Sleep Terror - Probing Tranquility. That guy did a good job
 
Old 2005-08-22, 20:51
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Old 2005-08-23, 20:42
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I've searched for long the tab of "Revelation Of Black Moses" from Vader
but I could not find it anywhere so I'm now trying it in this Forum


There's a guitar pro tab for in on mysongbook.com, as I recall.
 
Old 2005-08-23, 21:07
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Sleep Terror - Probing Tranquility. That guy did a good job

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Old 2005-09-12, 02:57
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Anyone have some good Gorguts Bass tab? Anything from obscura would rule.
 
Old 2005-09-13, 12:31
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Anyone have some good Gorguts Bass tab? Anything from obscura would rule.


slap the shit outta your bass, play a rock groove, and then get crazy - that'll cover alot of it...i don't think anyone will tab it though...but who knows, if guitar tabs are starting to float around...
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Old 2005-09-18, 13:58
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Old 2005-09-19, 01:24
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I wouldn't mind a power tab of Cleansed In Pestilence.
 
Old 2005-09-20, 08:34
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Requesting: At The Gates - Neverwhere [live or studio]_Bass tablature

Been hunting around for it for MONTHS...*sigh* to no avail..
So..if anyone can help..t'would be lovely.

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Old 2005-09-24, 10:24
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HATE ETERNAL - I, MONARCH; BORN BY FIRE!!!

I would never have called Sepultura nu-metal... Anyhoo...
Just because they deviated from thrash.
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Old 2005-09-28, 04:47
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Hey; I'd be reeeaaally grateful if someone tabbed out or at least gave the chord names for the riff in Cryptopsy's In the kingdom where everything dies, the sky is mortal of their newest cd, which is at 2:09 into the song, with the clean guitar.
 
Old 2005-10-02, 20:02
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HATE ETERNAL - I, MONARCH; BORN BY FIRE!!!

I would never have called Sepultura nu-metal... Anyhoo...
Just because they deviated from thrash.


I do know that one riff, in I, Monarch, where everything stops and one of the guitarists play that riff with them diminished chords.. I'll tab it right here, if thats ok, anyways:


----------------------I
----------------------I
----------------------I
-2--2x--4--4x--5--5x-I
-1--1x--3--3x--4--4x-I
----------------------I


Its not 100%, but it does the job.
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Old 2005-10-08, 16:32
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HATE ETERNAL - I, MONARCH; BORN BY FIRE!!!

I would never have called Sepultura nu-metal... Anyhoo...
Just because they deviated from thrash.

Born by fire is on king of all kings or did you mean that as two songs?
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Old 2005-10-08, 20:43
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Dont think so, as he used ;
 
Old 2005-10-23, 15:39
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Hey; I'd be reeeaaally grateful if someone tabbed out or at least gave the chord names for the riff in Cryptopsy's In the kingdom where everything dies, the sky is mortal of their newest cd, which is at 2:09 into the song, with the clean guitar.
i havent tryd out, but it sounds like diminished chords

example:
3--6--9
2--5--8
1--4--7
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Old 2005-10-23, 15:44
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Yes, and we all know how much of a good tabber John is. Just look at his Nile tabs.

I don't know if anyone ever got around to "Powers that Be" by Hate Eternal. If someone could link me, or direct me to it. Thanks.
i tabbed powers that be a long time ago
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Old 2005-10-23, 16:03
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anyone knows a band or song for me to tab???

ASLONG AS ITS HEARABLE, so any band with a fucked up production, shove it up your ass!!!!
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Old 2005-10-23, 16:16
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Do Hate Eternal "The Plague Of Humanity", it's pretty clear production on those riffs but the song itself sounds like it will be a challenge
 
Old 2005-10-23, 16:18
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by the way your "Beyond Redemption" tab was pretty spot on for the most part. Those chord changes in the verse are hard as hell to pull off at the speed he does it. None the less I think the intro riff was the only one a tad bit off but it gets the job done. Nice job.
 
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by the way your "Beyond Redemption" tab was pretty spot on for the most part. Those chord changes in the verse are hard as hell to pull off at the speed he does it. None the less I think the intro riff was the only one a tad bit off but it gets the job done. Nice job.
thnx man, the parts that are right, are wverry right on the tab, all the opther parts (mainly the first 2 riffs) are so fucking hard to hear, well, their impossoble to hear.

but atleast i got some rifs done pretty good i guess, and the solo (wich is the main reason i tab songs, for the solo) im a real solo maniak i guess

about Plague of humanity, i dont like the i'monarch albyum one bit, but maybe siggi (humancorpse) will do it, since hes done a few imonarch tabs already, all im gonna do of i monarch is the solos that siggi needs for his tabs if i can get em that is
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Old 2005-10-23, 18:38
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Yeah the plague of humanity is my favorite song off i, monarch, so I will definitly give it some try in a while, it sounds hard but doable. I started on path to the eternal gods the other day aswell, this one is a real bitch
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anyone knows a band or song for me to tab???

ASLONG AS ITS HEARABLE, so any band with a fucked up production, shove it up your ass!!!!

Im know what you mean like the Artery Eruption Cd's are just what the fuck ? I mean it has such shit production you can't make it out and abit which is impossible to figure out is in Akercocke - A skin for Dancing in after he says "and escape into the woods" Then it spaks out if anyone knows that bit send me it and i'll tab the whole song.
 
Old 2005-10-26, 21:00
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Iniquity anyone? Someone please tab "Random Battery Bludgeon," please.
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Old 2005-10-28, 02:42
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If anyone can do some Once Was Not tabs that would be awesome.
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Old 2005-11-04, 03:36
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I need Razor Jack from the album Affiliated with the suffering. This is kinda a big request. But it would be cool to be done over time.. Tabs for the whole altered genesis Album to be tabed. I'de love that shit. I would appreciate it alot.
gonna go ahead and say thanks cause i know someone will. Damn good tab site.




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Old 2005-11-04, 03:59
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Old 2005-11-04, 19:07
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Awesome, tab Random Bludgeon Battery!
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Old 2005-11-05, 14:50
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Come on....someone PLEASE do Cast Down The Heretic....!!
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Old 2005-11-05, 16:06
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Dude! fuckin most of it is hanging around the incomplete tabs thread.

And if thats not good enough Ill tab it when I get back on monday
 
Old 2005-11-06, 22:37
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