2003-10-30, 23:13
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the dreaded ghost echo(scary)
ill get straight to the point...
let's say i strike this note in regular forte picking strength:
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a note comes overlaying it(same tone), and then if i mute my E, i can still hear the note...it seems to be coming from my G string(yes, weird echoes coming from my g-string, go ahead and laugh:P cause if i mute it i dont hear it anymore...now theres no chance in hell that i can mute all the time it'd be bloody ridiculous...is it just me? is it the pickups that are too sensitive? just my playing that isnt clean?(wouldnt surprise me, my base is fucking horrible, it's a miracle that i can play anything hehe), is it my amp? my guitar?
just in case someone needs to know the specs to guess the problem:
jackson wrmg warrior (emg hz pickups with the boost thingy, but the problem occurs even when they are off)
peavey studiopro 112 amp and that's pretty much it
now i wouldnt mind if it was just for that note...but let's say i play an ascending 3-string sweep that goes up with a slide(yngwie style like in far beyond the sun), we can hear the fucking echo note behind and it's really annoying, any ideas?
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2003-10-31, 01:06
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does you hear it when you play unamplified? (acoustic)
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2003-10-31, 01:20
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im not sure honestly...i hear it very faintly but it could be my mind playing tricks
some guy mentionned to me that it might be the intonation, whatever that is hehe
it might be my playing, but id really like to know if it's *just* that...
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2003-10-31, 03:23
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Do you use a floyd? If so then it might be something a simple adjustment can fix... if its a proeblem with the neck... well im not the one to talk to about that
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2003-10-31, 10:32
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yeah i have the standard floyd rose
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2003-10-31, 10:52
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try changing the strings...
i had a similar problem on my first string 12th fret onwards & changing the strings solved it
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2003-10-31, 11:16
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guess ill try that, im still on the stock strings...
it's as if the vibrations caused by my amp make my G-string vibrate or something heh...
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2003-10-31, 18:49
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WTF!!!!!???? It's called resonance, it occurs everywhere, it's not anything a string change is going to fix. You'll just have to learn to mute strings you don't play. I keep my hand in such a position at the bridge, that it allways mutes strings, and I just lift it slightly when I play a string.
The strange thing is that you get a G from 16 fret on E. if you get a G from the 4 on E too, I would suggest you tune your guitar (if you're not intentionally using an odd tuning).
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2003-10-31, 19:43
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WTF!!!!!???? It's called resonance, it occurs everywhere, it's not anything a string change is going to fix. You'll just have to learn to mute strings you don't play. I keep my hand in such a position at the bridge, that it allways mutes strings, and I just lift it slightly when I play a string.
The strange thing is that you get a G from 16 fret on E. if you get a G from the 4 on E too, I would suggest you tune your guitar (if you're not intentionally using an odd tuning).
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a G from the 4? wtf are you on about?
i play 16th fret on my E string, and my G STRING GIVES AN E SOUND AT THE SAME TIME
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2003-10-31, 19:57
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you fret the e on the 16th fret and pick it, right? then the g string resonates, giving you the same note as the one you're playing, right?
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2003-10-31, 20:37
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yup
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2003-11-01, 00:45
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16th fret on the e string is supposed to be a g# not a g. so try fretting the 4th fret on the e string and picking it. if you get resonance from the g string again, you're out of tune, if you don't, your intonation is off. that's what I was saying, sorry to be a bit unclear.
and i guess it could be worth saying that new strings *could* fix the problem, for a while, b/c of their stiffnes, but it's more efficient to just mute the strings you don't need. 1mm of the string in contact with your hand, and you wont get any resonance, and you wont hear much of the muting effect. go back even further, and you can find a place where you're muting sufficiecntly to mute the resonance but let all played notes through unaffected.
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2003-11-01, 23:18
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Its certainly not resonation.
The magnets in the pick ups might be doing it.
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2003-11-03, 13:34
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it's gotta be resonance, check out lesson 2 and 4:
http://www.glenbrook.k12.il.us/gbss...d/soundtoc.html
notes of the same frequency or multiple of frequency (by a factor of 2) will ring if they're not muted.
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if you're doing a sweep like this:
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then after you lift your ring finger from the 12 fret, you're setting off a natural harmonic.
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2003-11-03, 13:52
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the magnets could have been the cause, if it wasn't for this noise being the same (or a multiple) frequency as the note he played. and he also calls it a "note" not a "noise", as would probably have been the case with sound caused by the magnets.
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2003-11-03, 22:53
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The magnets in the pickups slightly vibrate the strings.
Resonation is a property. Everything has resnation, just to certain degrees. Like some woods resonate better than other. It means how well a note's tonanlity and color comes through. My point is resonation can't occur unless a sound is made. So if you sound a note and leave off the fret, resonantion will stop occuring. Perhaps you guys are using the term in a different way. Just because you produce an E note on one string doesnt mean that that sound frequency magicly makes that same frequency sound from a different string.
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2003-11-04, 20:16
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The magnets in the pickups slightly vibrate the strings.
Resonation is a property.
Perhaps you guys are using the term in a different way.
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The magnets do nothing to the strings. The strings vibrate in the magnetic field caused by the magnets in the pickups, which causes a current in the coil in the pickup. Just to clear things out.
The word resonation can be used as the name of a property, but also as the name of a phenomenon. The phenomenon in question causes bodies (not guitar bodies, but physical bodies, if you get my point) to start vibrating if the frequency of the changes of the force applied is the same or an integer multiple of the body's own resonant frequency.
It's really a bitch to explain this stuff in english, but I hope my point comes across the way it's meant to. Just don't take offense from anthing I say, 'cause that's not my intention. Just explaining, clarifying, informing, not trying to insult anyone.
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2003-11-05, 00:58
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Yeah I get what you mean.
For some reason I was thinking of the sustainer system when he said he had a boost on the guitar. Wow I need to get some sleep.
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2003-11-21, 03:20
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coils can cause strings to be moved, but only if current is being run through them. are they active pickups?
lol i dont know what active pickups are
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2003-11-21, 09:34
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Yeah, you can move the strings by running a current through the coils. But that's not what's happening. Active pickups are so called because they are actively preamplifying the "sound", before sending it further. They don't vibrate the strings. That's what sustainers do, and they're rather uncommon.
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2003-12-18, 01:50
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is the sound only on the G string? is the sound present on any other string as well? or when any other note is fretted?
it is possible for the magnetic coils of the passive HZ pickups to be affecting the string due to low action, but not common
could also be an intonation problem on the G string
is the floyd set up properly on the Jackson?
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