2003-09-18, 20:19
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Can someone tell me how a play an overtune?
I don´t know if it´s called an overtune? Every metal band plays that tune in solo´s. Someone please help me to learn how to do that.
I hope you understand the qusetion.
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2003-09-18, 22:15
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i have never heard of an over tune can you give an example of one. i know you said its in every song(which its probnably not) but like a certain solo and a certain part in it
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2003-09-18, 22:36
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he's probably talking about harmony.
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2003-09-19, 01:59
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I think I've heard this term before but I'm not sure what it is. I think Atif has the right idea though, that's what I thought too.
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2003-09-19, 05:17
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Well if you wrote the solo, find the root note of the bar(or whole solo), then write chords that are in the same key/rythem.
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2003-09-19, 14:35
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sound on amp on 10, and guitar on 1?
Or that is probley overdrive...
Bending... If you bend, you can get a higher tone.
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2003-09-19, 16:45
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I´m from sweden so it´s really hard for me to translate this to english and i´m sorry for that. But I can say every metal band has this tune they put it in solos. Yeah it´s a high tune and it´s not only in solos. It can be played everywere in the song. It´s a high light tune it´s just one tune, if thats any help.
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2003-09-19, 16:54
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are you talking about 2 different overlapped melody octaves by two guitars? one way to do this, is play the same melody in a higher octave. EX
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|----------------| guitar 2 chords
|-6-3-4--------|
|-4-5-2--5--2--|
|---------3--0--|
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|-6-7-4--------| guitar 1 higher melody.
|--------5---2--|
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spacing might be a little fucked up but yeah,
Guitars play the same exact thing, but first guy in a higher octave and the 2nd in power chord form. Same notes, easy way to find the octave for the first 4 strings is a power chord form but skip a string. Hope this helps you. But im not exactly keen on what your question was.
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2003-09-19, 23:14
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im pretty sure he means a pinch harmonic
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2003-09-22, 12:58
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I'm no expert in names of different techniques... But I am from Norway and I Understand allmost everything said in Sweden langauge.
say it in you own langauge..
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2003-09-22, 15:33
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not sure if this is what you are talking about but i got this out of a guitar one mag.
Sympathetic String Vibrations
Tune a pickup-equipped acoustic guitar to an open chord featured prominently in your song. place the guitar on a stand and run a cord all the way from the pickup to the mixer. don't use a mic, as it will pick up the sound from the amp "driving" the strings. place an amp near enough to the acoustic that the sound emanating from the speaker will activate or excite the srtings into vibrating. place the amp's mic on the speaker furthest away from the acoustic to minimize bleed through from the ringing strings. if your song is in G minor and you tune the acoustic guitar to an open G minor chord, you'll notice that any G minor chords coming out of the amp will couse the acoustic's strings to vibrate more strongly that non-G chords.
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2003-09-22, 21:05
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I believe what he's talking about is just about what Arcanesoul was saying, but I think by "overtune" he means a lead. Like, for example, In Flames' "Embody the Invisible." It has a guitar playing the main riff and a guitar playing lead over the top of that, then a second guitar playing a melody with that. But yeah, I think he means by overtune as a "tune" (lead) over the top of a riff.
As for teaching you how to play them.......I'm not sure what aspect of them you're not understanding. How to physically play them? How to come up with them for your own stuff?
Hope that helps.
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2003-09-22, 21:11
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Well, I'm Swedish, so I guess I understand a bit more than most other guys here. I think you mean pinch harmonics. Have a look at the sticky topic about them.
By "tune" he probably means "note", as the Swedish word for "note" is "ton", which is pretty close to "tune".
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2003-09-23, 02:01
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Oh......In that case........
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2003-09-26, 09:41
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I'm from denmark so i think i understand what he means as well, and in danish "overtune" is a direct translation as well...now, i'm a drummer so i don't know if this has already been said, but i think he means the kinda sound you get when you don't press entirely down on the string(s)...like i know MachineHead uses/used that sound a lot...can't remember a particular song though...
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2003-09-26, 16:10
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Maybe he means when the guitarist plays a naturaly harmonic and then vibrates it, zakk wylde tends to do that as well as soilwork and even in flames.
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2003-09-27, 05:02
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That would be an artificial/pinch harmonic
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A natural harmonic isn't a pinch harmonic...
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2003-09-27, 10:30
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Quote:
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That would be an artificial/pinch harmonic
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no it wouldnt be, they sound completely different, even though in all tabs they are written down as pinch h. alot of the times it is a n.h. being vibrated.
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2003-09-27, 12:26
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To Mudvaynerocks
1. An artificial harmonic and a pinch harmonic ARE EXACTLY THE SAME THING!
2. The only way to vibrate a natural harmonic is to use a tremelo/whammy bar system of some kind, and given Zakks prefernce for Gibsons, which do not have a bar, your example proves nothing. I do not know about In Flames and Soilwork, but I am sure there are about 50 guys here who can tell you what they use.
3. Even when a guitarist does vibrate a N.H., which in itself is actually very rare, it sounds completely different from a P.H./A.H.
4. There is a perfectly good thread on this topic already.
5. You're young, and obviously have not been playing for that long, luckily you have come to the right place. There are alot of guys here (myself included) who have alot of experience playng guitar, recording, and playing live. Listen to them, you'le learn alot. They know what they are talking about.
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2003-09-27, 20:43
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Very well said Chad
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2003-09-28, 18:52
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Quote:
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2. The only way to vibrate a natural harmonic is to use a tremelo/whammy bar system of some kind, and given Zakks prefernce for Gibsons, which do not have a bar, your example proves nothing. I do not know about In Flames and Soilwork, but I am sure there are about 50 guys here who can tell you what they use.
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Well, just to be anal, there are ways you can add vibrato to a natural harmonic, most of which would imply that you really hate the neck on your axe...
But well said Chad.
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2003-09-28, 23:08
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Just to contininue what MechReaper started, you *could* (assuming a non-locking nut (ie a non-tremolo guitar (ie ZW/Gibson-style))) press down on the part of the string that is between the nut and the tuners. This would of course only raise the note, not lower it, but it's good enough.....
And, Chad, I don't know what you're trying to do with point 1 in your post. I understand that it's *possible* to read things as if Mudvayne said a.h.s and p.h.s sound different from eachother. It's possible to read it that way, but it's fucking difficult. If you just thought about it for a while, you'd see Mudvayne was talking about a.h.s/p.h.s compared to n.h.s. I'm *just guessing*, but to me it *seems* you just bit the guy for his name, or age or something. Think a bit more about it next time, will you?
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