Atleast my hall keeps a sufficiant amount of ice cream in the lunchroom.

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Penis: To begin with, the 'book' I wrote was on your paragraph, not his. The only reason it could be taken to be on his is because, well, yours was on his, to some extent. But I wasn't trying to clarify or explain what he'd said, I was adding my thoughts on the matter, and so, at this point, I don't really care what he was trying to say. I wrote a lot because I tend to write a lot, because I tend to have a lot of thoughts on certain matters, and not because I think a large post is intimidating. But you go, again, projecting things onto me. When did I call you anything remotely like 'sexually afraid' or 'small in the pants'? That's closer to what you said in response to Stuff's post. I didn't imply anywhere, in or outside of that post, that virility is somehow equated with the loquaciousness, vocabulary, or anything else of someone arguing with you. I don't have to resort to attacking you personally to argue with what you said. And, like you, I am compelled to argue back if someone starts something. But, unlike you, I don't argue with unseen and likely nonexistent motives I've made up myself, I argue with what's written there. My only underlying point, which you missed completely, partly my fault, due to the way I'd written it, was this:

1. The straw man tactic, that of attributing imagined traits (such as prudishness and virginity in Stuff's case, and a macho desire to crush and unman people with words in my own) to one's opponent, is a sad way to go about it, and really unnecessary. Just explaining to Stuff the things about how guys like to talk about sex is enough, you don't really need to make the jump to his virgin ears, his inability to copulate, et cetera. Paraphrase: Attack the post, not the poster.

To this, I'd now like to add a second point:

2. Read the goddamn things you're attacking. Your response to my post looks as though you hadn't read it at all, or at most skimmed it, which is also, of course, partly my own fault, and which is fine, only becoming unacceptable if you choose to comment on it. Of course, you did. Or at least say you're attacking it without having read it, or if you've only read it cursorily.

I mean, you got the basic points of my post, but if all I'd really wanted to say was that bragging about getting laid was stupid, I would've said 'Bragging about getting laid is stupid.' Obviously I said more. Why? Oh, probably for a reason. What reason? Your answer seems to be (if I'm wrong, please, oh God, PLEASE, correct me, do) to make you sexually afraid and small in the pants, and, while doing that, explain what Stuff meant. Now, I've said that wasn't the point. Should we try again? I won't blame you if you don't.

Incidentally, an apology is an explanation. Consult a dictionary. While you're there, check out what 'filibuster' means.

If you have problems with the length of this, I'd like to say I'm very very very very sorry.

Everyone should read Def's post, it's the best one on the page, if not in the thread.

Oh god, I give up trying to talk to you, I got a headache, no matter what I say, you say the same damn thing back. It's pointless to debate here, this would be something better done in person.

Now, I know you like to insult my intelligence thinking that your smarter but I don't care cuz IT IS A FORUM! Think what you want, I don't give a shit.

BTW: Any word I may use, I know the meaning. I used the word "filibuster" cuz you talked so much that I finally gave up. Now, using that word to me seemed more interesting than just saying you wrote a book.....again. Def and PST, bitch all ya want about me, I don't care. Just don't try the intelligence insults by bitching at my vocabulary and proofreading my posts (PST), they are lame and do not apply to me.

Now, do you not like my debates because I cannot say the word cunt in many different ways, or cuz I don't reference FBS in my posts?

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Meeting in person is, obviously, impractical.

'Filibuster' is a delay tactic, any sort of delay tactic, most often a long speech (including reading the phonebook for 24 hours straight). I wasn't delaying anything. If we can assume that 'any word I use, I know the meaning' would include the word 'filibuster,' then you've yet to demonstrate, through your usage of it or your explanation of the usage of it, that you understood the meaning of the word. It has to do with delaying something, not with making the opponent give up.

I said the same goddamn thing back, and I said I was going to, because you responded to things I didn't say the first time. I haven't in this argument, though I have in other ones, insulted your intelligence. You insulted Stuff's, and I correct you when you've misused words; that's about it. You keep saying that I'm doing things that you did; it's really not an impressive argument.

Neither Def nor I bitched about you. Both of us disagreed with you. If that's really so terrible, well, I'm terribly sorry. I did go out of my way to be polite in my last post, but, admittedly, I did still disagree with you, and I let in what could be taken as a crack about your intelligence. But you have to realize: I'm arguing with what you're saying, I'm not trying to insult you. The problem I have with your debates has nothing to do with my favorite word or with sane (incidentally, neither Def nor I referenced sane, except when I equated your attack on Stuff with one on sane in another forum that I'd read three minutes before): it's that you take everything personally. You seem to think that the reason there is for arguing is to in some way insult the other person. That, and verbosity, is the major difference between our styles of arguing. And what's frustrating is you shouldn't. It's an online forum: why do you assume I'm insulting you? I could give a shit about insulting you. If I want to insult someone, I insult weijia, and other people as they come up. You seem to enjoy insulting people in forums, which is probably why you take such offense to what you perceive to be insults. So just remember this: All I'm doing is explaining why I disagree. I don't think you're an idiot; I don't give you that much thought. Quit trying to guess my motives and opinions and refute my goddamn argument. If you want something different out of me, respond to WHAT I'VE SAID rather than what you guess I'm thinking about you. Forget about the supposed insults you've made up and argue with something I've actually said. For example: when you explained why you used 'filibuster,' that was arguing with something I said. When you told me you didn't care that I thought you're less intelligent, that was arguing against something you made up about me. The only person who called anyone stupid was you calling Stuff stupid. As I said, don't attribute to me things you've done.

this would be pretty sexy if you guys were hot lesbian girls, and translated this verbal fight into a physical one.

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Game. Set. Match.

I know my conceptions of truth are subjective, but I think that the majority of the people that took the time to read all this would agree the PST has perservered in this debate and that Penis's "Argumentum AD Hominem" (Appeal to personal redicule) had falied. But this has probably been the best thing i have read in a RTT in awhile.

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atif: It'd be more fun if we were hot lesbians fighting physically. Or I assume so. There's always the possibility that I'd be a small and physically frail lesbian and that Penis would be large and physical, but still attractive, as some women manage to do, and would then kick my ass. If there's one thing I've learned, it's that being on the wrong end of an asskicking is no fun. But, barring that, I'm sure it would've been more fun. Penis would probably agree, giving us something to agree on and neatly end what's already been dragged out at least a bit too far, and obviously won't resolve itself on its own unless one of us (obviously not me) manages to curb a reply. But agreement's better than exhaustion.

Darko: I'm impressed. If you look back at one of my posts, you can find a place where I wanted to use that term but had forgotten it and so replaced it with a somewhat weak phrase, and one more likely to be taken as an insult; I can do nothing but congratulate you and feel an eternal, earburning shame for not recalling a phrase someone else remembered. Ugh, the agony. Not only that, but you lived up to your namesake:

'Shit, why'd you have to get so smart on us, Donnie?'

Oh jeez, it still goes on (half as much my fault).

Look, Stuff pmed me earlier, this is a waste of time. He is new, came off as a flamer with that post (he admitted to that) and I responded to it like I would to a flamer. Both our apporoaches (Stuff and I) may have been wrong, but that was it.

He seemed like a new guy getting pissed and making a "This site is gay" thread, and I responded as I would to a flamer.

There was no reason for this debate. There was no "Game, set, match", cuz what me and stuff said had no relation to the rest of this.

PST, I know what a filibuster, I'm not a fucking moron, you learn that in middle school. You talked a lot, thats why I said that. Give it a rest.

Lastly, I don't give a shit about getting insulted over this forum, but when you try to use my words against me you throw it back at me incorrectly, thus making it frustrating on the both of us. The one thing I hate that you mods love to do is "attempting" to trap me in my words. I'm not a 12 year old nit wit who types before he thinks, thus it annoys the hell out of me cuz you never do it correctly.

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Do not.

(Nitwit is one word. Honest. And it matters. Lots.)

Fighting lesbians is interesting. Say one of you was Dahlia Grey and the other one was... well, any other lesbian. You'd get your inconsequential naked arse beaten in, and the funny thing is... everyone would enjoy it.

Dahlia Grey could probably kick all your asses. Kinda primitive-looking somehow. But great.

A 6 Foot Beatin' Wench!

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I had written a longer piece, but accidently erased it. I re-wrote a smaller version very quickly, so pardon the spelling and grammer, there is probably a lot of mistakes.......

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Ok, I have many weird views on life and religion, and they are the catalyst for what I'm doing. I am determined to go 1 full week with no sleep (I work and go to school full time each). So far it has been almost 36 hours............ I'm thankful for my caffeine pills......

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You'll need meth. A week is a long, long time.

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lots of meth

I did a week without sleep once. But I didn't decide to do it; I'm a chronic insomniac. You know that makes you insane according to a technicality someone once quoted to me, right? I doubt that's valid, but it's hard to tell; a lot of people will quote a lot of things. I, for one, don't believe it, but if someone finds something that proves it to be true, then it probably is. My opinion can't get rid of those pesky facts. (To follow a pattern I made later: words.)

On another note: No one trapped you in your words, or even tried to. If you're going to talk about doing something 'correctly,' then please, read correctly. Everything I've done I've done 'correctly.' And, for the record, there is no 'correct' way to throw words back in someone's face. You can do it well or poorly, you can't do it correctly or incorrectly (you can, however, use the words themselves incorrectly). When I actually do it, I do it well. Just because people don't take to it doesn't mean it isn't well done. However, if it seems like I'm using your words to attack you, this might be why: We're, as you so enjoy to mention, online. Online, the only thing either of us have, aside from your psuedopsychoanalysis, are words. I can't read your body language, your tone of voice, your eyes, or anything else. So I deal with the only thing, however inconstant they can be, that's there for me to use (obviously, you see that there's more, since you rarely use these effectively): words.

You know what a filibuster is, not 'what a filibuster.' It's hard to take 'I'm not a fucking moron' seriously juxtaposed against that. But, as I said before, I don't consider you one, you just assume that I do. Thinking before you type is one thing; transposing the thought to the typing is another. And of course I know what you mean, and did earlier by the misuse of 'filibuster,' but it annoys the hell out of me when you don't use a word correctly. As I said: words are all you have here. Well, and smilies, and you can link up a picture or two. But, for the most part: words.

And again: I'm not arguing with you over Stuff, and don't care what kind of resolution you came to with him. You have to realize that what I'm saying is not a recapitulation of anything of Stuff's, but things I wanted to add my own thoughts on to what he said. Darko's 'Game, set, match' comment doesn't have to relate to what Stuff said, but only to what you and I said, which is a different thing, because the argument was between you and me as myself, not me as proxy for Stuff. Bring Stuff up again and I'll repeat once more that I don't care about that, it's irrelevant, as you yourself said, to the argument at hand, that I'm not arguing for what Stuff said or what he thinks, and so forth. And, for fun: words.

But, if you want my thoughts on Stuff: To think that he was some newbie bitching about the site sucking is, it seems, to have missed much of his stay here. Sure he's relatively new, but he's not that new, and if he were a flamer, he chose an odd way to go about flaming, considering he's been doing relatively constructive things until now. If that's a flamer, then almost anyone with a temper could be a flamer. Chances are he, like most people who get cranky and bitch and lash out on occasion, was taking advantage of the fact that this was a forum where, as you've pointed out, there's a place where you can just post shit, and he took advantage. I know what you're expecting here by this point, but I really don't want to write it again.

I'll make a deal: if you can respond to this without belligerance and say you don't want to argue any more, I'll stop. If you bitch at me again, obviously I can't hold myself back.

sane: Dahlia Grey's the type of girl I meant when I said what I said to atif.

you type a lot


......shut up I'm high

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Baha, thank you. It took me about 5 minutes to recall the correct spelling for it though.

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Interesting, what are you views (if your content enough to share them).


[QUOTE] Originally poest by PST 88
I did a week without sleep once. But I didn't decide to do it; I'm a chronic insomniac. You know that makes you insane according to a technicality someone once quoted to me, right? I doubt that's valid, but it's hard to tell; a lot of people will quote a lot of things. I, for one, don't believe it, but if someone finds something that proves it to be true, then it probably is. My opinion can't get rid of those pesky facts. (To follow a pattern I made later: words.)

Wow. I have heard that "fact" before, but I concider it a psuedofact. I really don't see how lack of sleep can make someone insane, mabye dillusional, fatigued, or emotionally deprived...but only for the period of time where sleep is not imminent. But im no neurologist so correct me if Im wrong. I know though that if you don't sleep long enough that you can die, does anyone know the length of days withstand able for the average man to live without sleep?

PST: Is insomnia actually like how it is personified in Fight Club?


Oh cuntwiggle how Fight Club rules!

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it's called fatal familial insomnia---I think this link mayyy help...


http://translate.google.com/transla...3D%26ie%3DUTF-8

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Wow. What a shitstorm...


Anyway, if there's any FNM fans around: wasn't the song, 'Caffeine' about some sort of sleep deprivation experiment those guys undertook? The lyrics point to at least someone being utterly nuts & not a great deal else.

I get really, really, really fucking paranoid when I'm super-tired, but I'm ok once I've slept it off. I would've thought that lack of sleep would make you what could be called temporarily insane. But I'd imagine all would be fine again once you went into one of those 'what a fucking weekend' comas for a day or two to recover. I'm obviously no doctor, I'm just speaking from experience here (a semi-educated guess, I guess). Although my record is only around 50 hours & I don't care to repeat the experience, it sucked.

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holy shit use guys can talk about some shit

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that sounds like a deal you shouldn't refuse. I'm terribly sorry if you found my choice of words insulting GP.

I agree, Dahlia Grey is a girl I would love to fight.

I could write an essay about all this but I see most points have been made, thus making that pretty useless. On the other hand, it might improve my english skills.

At this moment I do not feel the need to improve my english, so at this moment I say 'fuck it' and I will motivate myself to get back to my study efforts.

yeah, so i went to Moores the other day and me a suit.

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You bought a suit?? Your sentence was iffy...


I think the mods seriously hate my guts.

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Insomnia's not like Fight Club. I get that question a lot. I mean, at the very worst I've had it, it's a bit like that. But he'd only just suddenly begun to have insomnia, and went from regular sleep to no sleep whatsoever; I, progressively and gradually, starting about in 7th grade, started getting fewer and fewer hours of sleep, so when I have the more severe attacks, it's not so huge a change as it might be if I was previously a 7 or 8 hour a night sleeper. Generally I'm surprisingly refreshed during the day, because natural light isn't friendly to sleep. But generally I'm not up a week straight. A couple of days, at most, and I never deliberately keep myself up when I can sleep. But not sleeping for a reason, eh? Good luck with that.

powers: you'd be surprised. It's not your guts we hate.

Shut the fuck up weijia.

INTRUIGING ISN'T IT...
Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosnt mttaer in what oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe.

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PST, I got to go back to school, so I'll respond to you later. Here are some of my beliefs though, right now based only on what I know..........

My purpose on deliberate sleep deprivation comes from my beliefs in expanding my life, and making the most out of the time we’re on Earth. Current life on this planet is good, no matter what the situation is, I fear it may best the best time during whatever we are destined for. No matter what religion you take, it seems to only get worse after death. Since I am young now, I live with constant fear and pressure knowing that it may only get worse. When I was younger, I was a Christian. The faith seemed good at the time. Live your life for God and afterwards, you will go to a great place. Then, as I got older, hearing the priest’s sermons became very haunting. “Heaven”, was described as being a place where people lived in harmony, went to church everyday, and not much else. In Hell, you get tortured. Either way I see it, you lose. On Earth there are challenges, goals, meaning. Why would I want to go somewhere for eternity when there is nothing more to aspire for? Church everyday?!?!? I used to hate going for two hours on Sunday! This is why I look at these religions as utter bullshit. The Christian faith described God, may very well exist (I highly doubt there is a Devil), but if that’s the way life truly is, then we are all fucked no matter what.

The sleep deprivation is just one of the ways to expand what little we have. I want to train my body to require less sleep through pills, exercise, and any other helpful method. Should I be damned no matter what when I die, I can at least say I had a good, lengthy time during my younger years, and now I am merely being fucked by the system. We live for about 75 years on average. That is horrible. It literally scares me.

It is really convenient that I want to have a successful band. My goal would be to get rich, help as many people as I can, and then see what happens when I die. Sure, when I am alive, I’ll even talk to God every so often, not with wasteful citing of prayers, but with things I have to say. However, you can have someone else fill my chair every Sunday.

When I die, if heaven and hell exist. I want to see what God says to me. Will he send me to hell, alongside Hitler!?!?!? Are we just equal sinners to him? Hell cannot be eternal. No fucking way. If God knows all he should realize that it is bullshit.

I can’t believe how some people are with religion. They will not intake in any decadent pleasures or modern technologies because of faith! And chances are, with the massive amounts of religions out there, someone’s whole lifestyle is in vain because their god doesn’t even exist. I can’t stand that. Right now, I don’t know what to believe when it comes to faith. All I know is I will live for me, not for any God.

Something is out there, I just don’t know what. Something is also beyond our galaxy, millions of miles away. But that is for a different paper.........

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weijia was trying to say that he is, in fact, a suit.

Delete: That's only if the word's a recognizable one. If I put in 'cncnitnoiy,' which would be 'concinnity,' which is perhaps not the most obscure word in the language, but still one that would be hard to recognize, even if you knew it (I, for one, don't think I'd look at 'cncnitnoiy' and think 'Oh! Of course! Concinnity!' even though I know the word). Speaking of being hard to recognize, where the hell are the CAPS?

Penis: If if you have something really urgent to say, or want some help with the sleeping less project, just im or email me. This is, in theory at least, my last day here, and there's only one more post I want to make.

i created my own south park character, and here's what he'd look like:

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(yes, i actually have a shirt that says that)

here's basically the same thing, but with my axe

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you can make your own here:
http://images.southparkstudios.com/...eate/index.html


i haven't seen alot of pictures of Sane, but this is my terribly lame interpretation of him:

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haha, that atif with the guitar is golden

someone told me about this site a while ago, here's me. apperently, a female friend made it for me:

I kinda look like a biker

ok t__n, c_n y_u f_____g u________d t__s? no. in o___r n__s, y_u f_____g s___l. w_e!
see, yuo need tehm aynawys

uhhh, how do I save???

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for some reason, i forgot to type "bought"

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same way you saved the Kisakae guitar in guitar zone

press Prt Scrn
paste into graphics program like photoshop
select with the box the area that's only the character, crop the other stuff out
save for web, as a jpeg or gif

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I never messed with the "make your own guitar" cause I didn't know how to save...What The Fuck is "Prt Scrn????" I don't see anything of the kind....or is it a abbreviation for like........

whoa whoa, are you talking about the keyboard button "print screen?"

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hahaha, yeeesss.

THere is a shirt that says this, but I can't find it.

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Haha, you really do look retarded

about that Andrew Wk thread in Bands,
that guy couldn't be Andrew because, Andrew talks in a distinct way, plus his Interests in his profile would say stuff like "partyin hard!" and "wearing dirty clothes"

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...and don't forget "not showering for a week" and "making stupid grins while jumping around like a ridalen deprived seven year old."

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me in 2 years

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Hahahaha... I have that Slayer T-Shirt

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And Heres Me Right Now....... No Joke!!!

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I'm going home this weekend. Not that I'm home sick... ...just to see my folks and play with the dogs. And shut up! Atleast I'm getting a ride from a good-looking friend of mine. Right now, I just finished practicing my double bass for my hour lesson in a few minutes....bye.

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Are you going to hook up with her?

how do you know it's a her.....power soft could be just complimenting a guy friend's looks.
you know, in a heterosexual way

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I'm comfortable with the way I am, so I can act gay, and still know I'm heterosexual. Unlike some people(middle through high), every move you make is either gay or not. So fuck them. I'm in college, where every one is tecnically gay. And she is just a good friend. I would love to fuck cause I'm a guy, and she probably just has a crush on me.

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ok
if you do happen to have sex with her, make sure to post in here that you got laid

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Frost, I bare the exact same southpark looking character as you except I usually have black pants on

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that was a fun tool!

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My teacher said "bullshit" today.

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is that bad?

my teacher at uni said 'to hell with you, get lost'

needless to say, my day was over fast, some teachers really do hate cellphones

To me.

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hahahaha, no it wasn't bad. I hate cell phones.



Frost!!!
being 18 is gay.

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Ya in this provence 18 sucks, the only thing I can do here is buy porn, but I could dive 10 hours to Quebec City and legaly drink, or visit my bro in Alberta and legaly drink there.

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Whaahhahahahaa!!! It's good to be a dutchman!

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It sure is, but we don't need to tell them about our supremacy every time someone has his birthday

Does each American state also have different drinking ages, or is it all 21? And even though I already said it in another thread FearFrost!

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yeah, most. I'd guess all.

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The government says it is but if you go to Montana you can drink if you can sit up at the bar in most places and in some places in Nevada it's the same way too or so I hear. I've done it in Montana though so I know that's true.

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18 here.

IT'S OVER!!!

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