Can you. Im thinking iof buying a Randall 100 watt amp for gigging/practicing with band.

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depends on the brand, the model(i dont know that one much), the place where youll play(echo? [insert technical term here, too lazy to translate from french]) the number of people in etc

If its not a fullstack (or a extermely loud half) then you should always mic it threw the p.a.

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depends how big of a show

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I'd say you probably could easily, especially if you mic it.

My 80 watt Bandit is pretty sufficient for practicing. I've never played a Randall, let alone that model, but it should be ok. It's if a small amp (size wize...like shorter than 2 feet) i'd recommend stacking it on top of something unless you do mic the amp.

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very easily. I've got a solidstate 90-some-odd-watts amp that can easily drown out a drummer when set on two.

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im going to light my head on fire

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yeah sure it can
in my band we have 2 100 watt amps ones a combo twin speaker and ones a head and cab we can be heard about 300-500 yards away so if ur in a hall or sumfin it would be fine



and good luck darko

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Ya, myself and the other guitarist use 100-watts and we're fine at shows, we can easily drown out the drums at 3.

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you bastards with your high tech gear.
eh, but i still like my old classic 60watt peavey.
it's all vintagey
the sound ruins when it passes 6 or 7.
and depending on what drums, i might be as loud as a drum set.
now those acoustic ones that john from ledzeppelin has, no way.
therefore, mine is not gig worthy.

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yeah it should be able to get the job done

Is this Randall tube or solid state? The problem is that when they measure the wattage, they go with how much power the the amp generates not how much sound the amp produces. So chances are you would need a 200 watt solid state to equal the amout of sound a 100 watt tube amp generates. With a 100 watts of tube you could easily drown out a drummer, but again the question remains how big is the place. If there is a pa, use it. It will sound better.

Dead: you're right, but the point is that if you can't gig with 100 watts, you need to get your head examined.

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The randall is solid state I think. Just to give you more of a clue Ill be playing an ESP Viper 301 through the amp. Ill be playing classic metal and Thrash mostly.

Im considering these amps as well

Line 6
http://www.music123.com/item/?itemno=79295&t=4&#18535


Marshall
http://www.music123.com/Item/?itemno=11123


This is the Randall
http://www.music123.com/Item/?itemno=57724

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Umm, dude... that Vetta isn't an amp, it's a cab... you do know that, right?

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I do now

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Bad thing with solid-states is that if you push them past like 6, they start to distort in the bad way and they bottom out and sound like shit. Where as you can really push a tube amp and they just sound better and better.

What kind of solid-states have you tried...

That's my disliking for tube amps, on clean you go past 7 or 8 and it goes into "auto-overdrive"

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well one obvious tip, by a head and a cab, gigging with combo amps isn't so smart.

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Thats where it gets pricey mate.

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yeah, but you get what you pay for, and its well worth it. and if your gonna upload to a new amp, you mine as well go to a head and cab, its well worth it, you could either spend 400+ on a combo, only to buy a head and cab later, or just get a head and cab now, saves you money in the long run.

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Ok, I might do that, Is it possible to get 100 watt half stacks? Whats the advantages of a half stack over combo?

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Im gonna need some help with this. How about these?

Head- http://www.music123.com/Item/?itemno=58971

Cab- http://www.music123.com/Item/?itemno=95917

Actuall, Ill probably go for those, Ill post them here if I see any others.

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most halfs go 100, some go lower, but the average is 100, but there are some 200s and some 350s and higher.

a halfstack could get louder, buying a combo will only give you 2 speakers at the most, buying a half stack, if getting the normal sized cab, will give you 4

thats all i can think of off the top of my head, but theres more.

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now that randall is solid state, they have a head just like that, maybe with more features, but 200 watts for maybe $100 more at the most. I've never dealt much with randalls, or solid states, but the boys here say to mach a 100 watt tube you should get a 200 watt solid state, so yeah.

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also, get a cab with 4 speakers, it works better.

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but i've got stuff to do, i'll be back in an hour or so, if you see anything, just post it, and i'll check it out when i get back.

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Thanks, your a sound man.



Behringer(for the price!)

Cab- http://www.music123.com/item/?itemno=84495&t=4#tab

Crate
Head- http://www.music123.com/item/?itemno=33920&t=4#tab

I couldnt get that head with any other cab though. My budget is $500-$700 for the cab and head.

Marshall
Cab- http://www.music123.com/Item/?itemno=46600
Randall head- http://www.music123.com/Item/?itemno=46600

Randall-
Cab- http://www.music123.com/Item/?itemno=86968

Head- http://www.music123.com/Item/?itemno=58971 . This seems like the best deal and it has a headphones socket for bedroom use.

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That behringer cab got nothing but good reviews at harmony central so id get that and save yourself sum $

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Might do.

Any suggestions for the head if I do?

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Jesus, not wrong about tye behringer cab reveiws! Here they are-

Features 9.1 (9 responses)
Sound Quality 8.9 (9 responses)
Reliability 8.1 (9 responses)
Customer Support 6.5 (9 responses)
Overall Rating 9.1 (9 responses

Looks like Marshall quality to me!

Ok so that and...the randall head? or the marshall?

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i was thinking
is it possible to turn a combo into a head and cab by buying two more speakers and making the box would it have the same effect as a head and cab

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yes... but it wouldn't be easy. You'd have to take the preamp out of the combo, and split it two ways. One would go back to the power amp of the combo, and the other would have to go to a power amp that would feed the extension cabinet.

Or, on the Marshall AVT series, there's a "speaker out" function. However, I don't know this series very well, and it may well disable the sound coming from the combo's speaker.

Personally, I don't see the big deal about head/4x12 vs combo. Like I said before, I've got a solidstate combo that can drown out drummers when set on 2 or 3. This bastard could easily fill a highschool auditorium, and if you're going any bigger than that, you need to be miking your amp (hell, even at that size, I'd want it miked). Not to mention that it's a pain in the ass to haul in a half or full stack, set it up, and break it back down again...

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well, mark, you should try everything out. Yeah, it gets great reviews, but those guys could be playing country for all we know. you'd just have to test it out.

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^ That was your 666th post! \m/


Some of the guys that reveiwed it said it was great for metal. And Ive been told that the Randall head is great. I wont be able to try them out though because Im in Ireland and there's only one big guitar shop and its the other side of the country and the only amps they stock are Marshall and Laney.

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Laneys are quite underrated. Paul Gilbert uses them (quite heavy in sound), but I can't vouch for their volume levels.

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I've got a question, could you gig with 80 watts?

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Did you read this thread? Yes, if you mic it up to the PA.

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I think ill reask the question, if you where jaming with friends could a 80 watt amp keep up with a 2x bass drummer?

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easily. a 50 watt amp could prolly keep up with a double bass drummer, but that might be pushing it. But i've got a 65 watt amp that kept up with a double bass drummer who hits pretty hard.

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Don't Bars have PA's?
I'm pretty sure they do...Just mic your amp to the PA
if they have one. I'm not sure about giging in a club
because my ol' band used to perform on backyards.

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Randalls are horrible. Look at Dimebag, his amp costs like a grand and he has to go through 50 signal processors to get his total shit sound.

50 watts isn't that large of a drop, only about 16 db from 100 watts. You have to remember, sound pressure and volume operate on a logarithmic scale, not a linear one. A 10 watt amp is half as loud as a 100 watt amp.



They should. If they don't, they're either being cheap, or they don't really bring is live music that often. Either way, if they don't have a PA system, don't go back.

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But wouldn't the half stack be more than 2x louder than the 10 watt
since the 4 speakers in the cab can dish out a shit load of sound?

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Yes, the number of speakers does play a role, but it wouldn't double it. There's a formula out there somewhere, but remember, the 100 watts is now divided in half, meaning that you have 1/4 of the full power hitting each speaker, rather than half. And even if you did hit all four with full power, there are still speaker limitations...

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i went to a pub gig once and one of the guitarists had a tiny amp which by itself sounded really bad and fuzzy, but in the general mix, it was a really cool effect cos the other guitarist was playing through a big chunky amp ... it really gave it depth.

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no fuckin way

i'm going to explain this, so hopefully every body will understand...
as far as wattage goes, watts are watts, solid state or tube, the main differences between the two are, sound quality: tube amps sound better. and volume, solid state amps clip alot easier than tube amps and don't produce as full of a sound, making the tube amps seem a bit louder, but saying 200 watts solid state matches 100 watts tube isnt true, yes a 100 w tube amp will be louder than a 100 w solid state amp, but not 100 watts louder. more like 120 w solid state matches 100 w tube. as for halfstack vs. combo. combos are nice for little basment jams and small gigs because they are cheaper and smaller so they will fit alot easier in vehicles. but half stacks of the same wattage are louder than their combo counterparts, why?, because 4 12 inch speakers will move twice as much air as 2 12 inch speakers, meaning you get a fuller sound, better low and high end, ect. like for example the marshall avt's what do you think would be louder? an avt50 1x12 combo, or an avt50 head on top of an avt4x12 cab? both have the same wattage(50 w solid state) but one is pushing 1 12 and the other is pushing 4 12's so since the half stack has more speakers, it will move more air, thus making it seem much louder.

now that i've reaveled the geek inside of me
i would highly suggest buying a used tube amp, for the $300-500 bucks you're willing to spend on a solid state head, you could buy a used tube preamp, like a mesa boogie vtwin rackmoutnt for like $300 and then spend about $100-200 on a separate 100 watt tube power amp, like a peavey 50/50 then as for a cab, you could easily find a quality used cab for like $200-300 like a marshall or randall or mesa or peavey ect. rather than settle for a new cheapo rouge cab that would cost the same price as a used quality cab.

good luck
XXX

don't trust the reviews on crap sites like harmony central, go try a behringer cab, place it next to any peavey, mesa, marshall, orange, h&k or other descent brand's cab, and you'll know you don't want a Behringer piece of crap.

not all bars have PA's (believe me, I know) so sometimes you'll need to bring (or rent) a small PA for vocals only (hell, as long as they pay you enough eh)

however, you don't NEED to run your amps through the PA, it depends on how large the room is, you don't need to mic up the drumkit either if its not all to big. I've played a couple of gigs without a full pa, only the vocals ran through it and it worked just fine, that was with a 400w bassamp (pre-tube) and a TSL100. (and a loud drummer)

buuut, if you're going to play bigger venue's, you'll need a PA, however the bigger clubs and shit all have their PA and soundguy well arranged so you don't have to worry about that.

xdislexicx, you are stupid. Tube amps produce more sound. Period. Watts rate power, like stated before. Not production of SOUND. Stop spreading your moronic, ill-informed lies!

chill out cock face, god what are you like 10? "my dad could beat up your dad","you're stupid", "no you are", "no you are". fighting in forums whats stupid, i mean come on, i have no doubt that i would punch you in the face right now for being such a whiney little bitch. but your not here, and i'm probably never going to meet you. so dont try to start shit with people because you are threatend by their knowledge. because the only reason you want to act so tough is because its not in person.

i've read alot of shit, magazines,website,threads, i've talked to people, like people that do music type shit for a living. guys that know more about gear then you or i will know for years and years.

go to a store or something, plug in a 200 watt solid state head, put it next to a 100 watt tube amp, and crank em both then tell me which one is louder, not which one sounds better. i did say that tube amps are louder, but just not that much, 200 watts s.s.= 100 tube? thats pretty much saying tube amps are twice as loud, which is a "moronic, illinformed lie" if i dare to be so childish to use that quote. tube amps sound better and are louder, period. there are to many factors to decide how loud a amp is, tube or solid state, wattage, # of speakers, size of speakers, cab resonance, cab size, open or closed back, size of room, acoustics, indoor or outdoor, ect.
so their are to many factors to decide one certain cause of "more sound", i'm sure you could make a 100 watt tube amp sound as loud as a 200 watt solid state. but my problem with solid state amps, is at low volumes, they sound good, but when you crank em' the sound falls apart. especiallly lower quality ones. unlike tube amps, they sound good at low volumes, but when you crank em' they sound even better. so i'm not going with a solid state amp any time soon, if ever.

so blah j/k

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your reply was more childish then his comment xdislexicx, now play nice fuckers.

what kinda amp are you using right now?

I suggest you take a 100w Hughes&Kettner warp 7 and a Engl Screamer 50 and hook them up to the same cabinet in the same room.

I've tried it myself and I can tell you that the (tube) Engl is much louder, plus it keeps its tone in the higher volume is way more defined.

allthough when the amp's wattage gets higher the difference between tubes and solid state amps gets less obvious. I do not know where the difference in volume output stops, but I'de prefer a 100w tube to a 150w solid state anyday. ofcourse, it depends on the amps too, some solid states are louder then others and keep their tone better in the higher volumes then then normal solid states (mostly due to pre-tube systems and stuff like transtube tech. that peavey uses.)

the same goes for tube amps too, they don't have the same output levels as well, but a lot of tube amps use the same system and same tubes (like 4x6l6 for power amp and 4 x 12AX7, 4x EL34 or 4x6550 for pre-amp )

You would punch me in the face? Please, I was simply describing your stupid comments, yet you feel the need to make youself look like a big tough SxE moron who thinks they know everything and are so much more elite than everyone else. Let me put it this way, wattage rating is NOT faithful to the sound amps produce whyen comparing tubes to soildstate. If you rate the sound produced by a 100 watt all tube it would be a hell of a lot louder of a soild state rated with the same power. Chances are even twice as lound. Please show your hypocrital self to the door.

you were just being a little bitch about it. what you are trying to say is that wattage has nothing to do with volume, please, thats like saying a 15 w 8''amp could be just as loud as a 300 w full stack? like i said, wattage isnt the only thing that has to do with volume, and did i not say that tube amps usually do produce more sound than s.s. ? so i'm having trouble following what you are getting all pissy about, you sit there and diss on me for bieng staight edge like it has anything to do with the topic, not once did i say i was a big tough straight edge kid, i am sxe but that had nothing to do with the discussion. i've had many experiances with solid state and tube amps, right now i'm playing a tube amp, and in about two weeks i'm selling it and buy 2 marshall 4x12 cabs and either a marshall dsl100,peavey xxx or 5150 II. which are all tube amps. but i've been in bands with kids that have played solid state combos and half stacks that were about the same wattage as my tube head and almost as loud, so there are alot of things that can make an amp louder, than just having tubes. so please quit trying to start fights over stuff, just because the way you describe something is different than me. half the time you're just saying the same thing in a different way. in my experiences i've never had a 100 tube amp get as loud as a 200 w solid state, i'm sorry, i just havent, i've had 120 & 150 w solid state amps get as loud as 100 w tube amps but it just seemed like 200 to 100 ratio doesnt always apply and if it did, i bet it wouldnt be as often as you'd think, theres more to a loud amp then just having tubes. so when you can prove that wattage has absolutely nothing to do with the volume of an amp, then you can start this, "your stupid" , "no you are" thing that you seem to like so much, but otherwise these forums are for people trying to comment and help each other with stuff, not for childish fights like these.

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You come off pretentious. In part by your public display of being sXe that also came off in your posts. So your pretenious attitude has everything to do with being straight edge and someone who comes off like they fucking invented the guitar amp. And when did I say a 15 watt sounded as loud as a 300 watt?

i never said i invented anything. knowing some stuff about amps doesnt mean i invented them, but most of what i'm saying is just common sense thats backed up by quite a bit of experience. go ahead and think wattage has nothing to do with vol.

you didnt say that 15 w was as loud as 300 w, but you said wattage had nothing to do with the volume of an amp. "its just a power rating". but theres no way a 15 w amp was as loud as a 300 w amp. a more powerful amp can produce louder volumes, but wattage isnt the only thing that plays a role in volume. i never said that 100 w solid state was as loud as 100 w tube, but there both 100 watts, thats the power rating, and its just a pretty well known fact that tube amps are louder. but there not always twice as loud. theres no official rating of tube - solid state and which is louder, my friens band has a 100 w tube 2x12 combo and the other guy has a 120 w. solid state half stack. they are pretty much even in volume when you turn them up as far as they go. but of course the s.s. kid has 4x12's and the tube kid has 2x12's but thats not to big of a deal. so i had a hard time figuring out why you got all bitchy, and felt it necessay to start fights. if you have a problem with me being sxe then thats just too bad, grow up and deal with it, i dont make it a problem for you, so dont give me shit.

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Just to refresh one's memory

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ex-a-fucking-xactly

*Waits to be punched in face my tough sXe kid*

I can't even have a disscussion with you as you take everything I say and turn it into something else. Just the same as you take someone selling weed to willing buyers is a threat and it gives you reason to start shit. Keep your moronic opinion and ill-informed ideas about amps to yourself. Hey look its Jamey Jasta!

Ok, 'nuff bitching for one thread,

Closed.