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K anyone tips on reducing the feedback or is it just my crappy gear???

Jackson Kelly, Boss GT6 and a 65 W Peavey (Studio Pro transtube series)

When I put my Peavey over half of its capacity I'm getting feedback on most heavy distortion patches......

Very nasty if we rehearse

Anyone tips? Thanks!

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heh, stay away from your amp

Weird, what kinda Kelly have you got man?

are you using the GT-6's volume thing (on the back) and are you using it at the max?

Hehe

Errr I'm about 3 - 4 meters (14 ft) away from my amp (that's all the room I got here)...

And on my GT6, the volume thing on the back is at middle.. should I put this at max or what?

My Jackson is a KE3 Kelly....

Heeeeelp

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Eh, weird!

our guitarist uses a GT-6 too, but he has his volume way up, he has a marshal stack, but we play in a small room too, its not a problem here, he uses all kinds of crappy guitars too. hm.

do you only get feedback from certain patches on the gt6? tried tweaking the eq? eh, using descent cables? (really crappy cables have really bad isolation)
nice jackson btw I wonder how the fuck you get all that feedback though, must be a setting, I bet its not the guitar in this case. It might be the amp, or its an electric field from outer space!

Okay

turned volume on the GT6 up, but that just makes it sound louder

My cables are good
Guitar? dont know... another nasty thing: On my high E-string, from fret 7 to 13 sound like shit (even on lead patches), I can hardly make them sound 'full'...

Anyway tell me how to tweak the EQ ( => what it is?!)

because I told ya already I don't know shit of mechanics and amps and stuff
I just play the guitar

Thanks mate!

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your welcome, thats what I'm here for man, to swerve and reject

your EQ is your equalizer, the knobs bass middle and treble on your amplifier, your GT-6 has a equalizer too, you might have set the eq to a shitload of gain en too much treble and mids.

lots of gain is good, but if you overdo it your sound will be too distorted, plus you'll have more feedback, like I expected, turning the GT-6 up makes it louder, tried puttin the GT6 on 1/4th and the amp's volume way up?

the sound of your high E string might be the intonation, ok, here's how you set the intonation, play a natural harmonic on the high E-string, above the 12th fret (play it without touching the fretboard) and use a tuner, if it's in the middle your intonation isn't off. also look at your neck, maybe its not exactly straight, if your neck has a slight curve in it, it may make your guitar sound crappy.
just take the guitar and look at the neck, and the height of the high E-string from your fretboard, if its too high you can adjust the height of the string at the bridge.

It might be the height of the string, or you're using fucked up and really old strings, heh.

about the feedback problem, try the other way around (low volume on the GT-6 and high on the amp) you could also try chaning the EQ settings but that might not give any good result. I can't think of anything else right now, some guitars and amps give a lot of feedback, but I've had no experience with that amp, I played the guitar and I bet its not the guitar or the pickups. you using an american jackson or a korean one?

Hehe you 0wn
Well yeah if you have a day off sometime you should come and try it, I don't live far away from you (Belgium)

Anyway about the feedback

I just tried it before I read this (GT6 vol down and amp volume up).
It seems to help a bit but when I put it louder it comes back... Anyway
the sound is better in this way (instead of Amp volume down and GT6 up).

About the EQ:
I PROBABLY set my patches to a shitload of gain
I'll check that out this afternoon. But everything on my amp is at 0 (also pre- and postgain), all the sound is coming from the GT6... Could this make an issue?

Also, what's "tweaking" the EQ?
I'll try putting bass up more and treble to 0... But then I'm afraid the sound will be too 'low' because we play fast blackmetal and it needs a sharp -not too low, not too high- sound.

Lol and about the E-string, I suuuurely use old fucked up string man!
I have this guitar for about 15 months and I still play on them original strings!

As long as they last, ghehehe...

And err, my guitar cost about 1000 euro, that's Korean version I guess?

Cheerz!

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Hehe, yeah Belgium, I'll be at the graspop festival

try fucking around with the patches in the GT6, it might solve the feedback problem if you don't use massive amounts of gain.
Tweaking the eq is the same as fucking around with the high mid and low knobs
I know the kinda sound you're looking for, you definetly don't want to put in too much bass, that'll ruine your tone and you won't hear the guitar because it'll sound muddy. especially when you're playing fast stuff, you don't want your guitars sounding to bassy.

about the strings, CHANGE THEM!!

lol, I usually break a string every month man! you played 15 months on ONE set? no wonder your tone is fucked up lol, CHANGE strings! right now! hehe, you'll have a much better tone with new strings man, these must be full of shit!
strings only cost you like 8 euro's for a set of Ernie Ball's, .52-.10's

Your ke3 is korean, yup, but its a cool guitar anyways, neat design, like most jacksons, good for metal too

heheheh
I'll be at Graspop too... full time

well yeah
I wonder how people break strings on their guitar?
And nah, my tone for the stuff I need to play is still pretty ok, just the E-string starts to sound crappy but it's ok
(I do have a set of spare strings, D'Addario's...)

Anyway what I've tried this afternoon:

I found that on 'clean' patches likes ACguitar and SpacyClean I have no feedback (just the sound is more metallic when it's louder, but what the hell do I care for clean patches lol)

First putting the gain on my GT6 down but then my guitar just sounds more quiet and when I put the GT6volume back up I have the feedback again...

When 'tweaking' the EQ I put bass up and mid/treble down but that sounds like shit.

I mean, if I put my gain down (in general) how can I ever get the same raw distortion?
Would this help:
Low gain on the GT6 and putting post-pre gain up on my amp?
I'll try it anyhow...

(o yeah can you tell me why we have a 'pre' and a 'post' gain knob and how to use properly?)


Cheerz

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Cool, graspop is gonna own!

Ehm, pre-gain is before you apply the effect, post-gain is after you apply the effect, ehm, that'll set the ratio of the gain (before the effect or after it) I don't know if this explaination makes sense, lol, but if you put on a shitload of pre-gain the effect will have a massive amount of gain in it, if you only aply gain on the post-gain you'll apply the gain after the effect is produced.

I don't know what your gain settings are right now, but a lot of guitarist use a bit too much gain, with the GT-6 you can create INSANE amounts of gain if you put all that stuff all the way up, you'll get one shitload of fuzz

you might try messing around with the gain settings on the fx pedals and the amp, see what happens.... or just keep your amp inside the house and roll the cord into the backyard and play there!

hehe!

how people break strings? they play the damn guitar they don't stroke it!

Aaaaah

thanks for the 'gain' explanation man!

At least I know what I'm trying to reach while turning those knobs

I'll try that: leaving my amp in the room and close the door (and me standing in the hallway...) I'll let you know the result tomorrow

Well if I ever get my feedback gone when my amp is full power
I'll let you know and buy you a beer at graspop


Cheerz!!!!!

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Okay

I tried this: I plugged my guitar in my peavey WITHOUT the GT6 inbetween

guess what:
NO feedback on a pretty hard distortion...

So it must be something with the settings of the GT6

Ah well... I hope to find it after few months of research

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lower the gain on the GT-6's patches!

there's another way out, a noise supressor but they mess with your sound, plus its probably just a silly setting in the gt-6

compare the sound of your amp's distortion with the GT-6's whats the main difference? I bet it's either an overkill of gain or a too big volume boost from the GT-6

have fun messing around with the patches

Allrighty

I put gain (pre and post) up on my amp
and lowered it on the GT6
and it gives indeed less feedback (although its not entirely fixed but I'll find it!)

But it changes the sound so i'll have to search all my patches new
I mean
My feedback on the GT6 comes from 70 (on 100), now its on 3


Anyway
Thanks alot for all your help man!

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Eermmm just one more thing

So the no-feedback trick works good enough BUT

When my amp is on high gain and I want to play clean (like with a patch on the GT6) I can't because the amp is still on gain, even if my GT6 is a clean as hell...;

That's damn nasty too...
I ask it anyway (although I see no option for this)...
You know something for this?

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eh, doesn't your amp have a footswitch?

if not, you're fucked, lol

then you'de have to turn the gain on the GT up again and the gain on the amp down plus you'll need a way to kill the feedback...

A.k.a. screwing around with the knobs for half a day

Lol well.. no my amp doesn't have a footswitch...

You know what that means?

I'm fucked

Oh well I might try to play our acoustic intros more in a 'Death' way:
screaming guitar

And do standard (Marshall) stacks have a footswitch?
I'm thinking of buying one this summer...
(I've seen bands perform with only GT6 and stack but I don't think they played acoustic too lol)

Cheerz!

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yeah, marshall stacks come with footswitches!

what kinda stack where you thinking off? tsl/dsl series or JCMs?

Ah great

Well frankly I didn't really advise myself on the different series and price ranges yet.

I've also been thinking about a Peavey (but I'd rather go with Marshall so I don't need a new amp the next 15 years or so )

But hey:
would you advise me anything in special?

My (current) price range is between 1000 and 2000 euros (maybee 2200 if I get my other amp sold lol )

I could do with 100 W but 150 would be nice too (if I can get that sort of stuff for that money?)

Tell me!

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Well you can get a marshall stack for that ammount of money, but peavey makes nice stacks too, 5150's, XXX's, XXL's, they make pretty descent amps! (good for metal too!)

just look around on google or something, and if you can, get your ass to a store where they sell some descent stacks, or else, visit amsterdam, they've got a bunch of peaveys and marshalls there

our guitarist uses a Marshall DSL100, link here: Marshall DSL100

here's a JCM 800 Marshall JCM 800

and here's Review on a JCM 900 Review JCM 900

so yeah, there's 3 great amps right there, the website is www.marshallamps.com, the website for peavey is www.peavey.com

getting a 100watt tube is enough man, its more then enough, it'll blow you away, we've played some shows with a 100 watt amp, no problems at all, its more then enough! (actually, most bands play 100watt amps..)

Hehehe thanks for the specific links.

Like the DSL 100, nice price for a 100 w Marshall

Yeah I read the 5150 is made with (and used by) Vai or who was it?

I'll test some amps in a huge store nearby (one of the biggest in Europe they claim)
http://www.piens.be

Let me know what you think of their prices

Greetz

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your welcome, store looks good by the way,

but if you want a really good store, visit Musik Productiv, it's near Osnabruck, world's biggest music store, fucking heaps of amps (I shit you not!!!)

Peavey amps are used by a LOT of guitarist (a lot in metal too) but they've got a specific tone you either like, or you don't like.. I like the roar of a Marshall just a bit more, but it's up to you to go out and test them man!!!

5150 was built for Eddie Van Halen. The Carvin Legacy was designed for Steve Vai.

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I say buy a new pedal with a Void option.

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well yeah if he can't get the feedback away a supressor is an option, but still, I think he can get it away if he changes his setup a bit.

it's prolly the amp, get a nice stack and you'll have no more worries

Yep

Well it is to say
I put my gain on the GT6 on 1 (lol out of 100 )

And amp full gain.. not much feedback left, just a little bit
So it works, but it's crap that you hardly have any effect (gain) of the GT6 left

But hey when I get my stack you should ask the setup of your guitarist Def...
I wonder why you need a GT6 (or anything like it) if all your gain has to come from your amp??

And Def, does your guitarplayer needs to switch between clean and distortion sometimes?
If I'm correct (from what I read here) one should press 2 pedals to get a clean sound with this setup:

One time the footswitch so the amp goes clean, AND a pedal on your GT6 (to switch to a clean patch).. Is this correct?
If so, that sucks?!?!?

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He uses the DSL100, GT-6 is just on a lot of gain (half out or something) he doesn't have the feedback problem!!

he hooks up the GT-6, puts the amp on clean and switches fx on the pedal. ehm, that starts giving me an idea. have you been running the GT-6 through the amp with the amp on distortion?? (lol, that's not the way to go)

Anyways, he doesn't have any problems with feedback, he plays gibson V's and LP's.

Ermm... Ok let me get this

So ALL the gain of your guitarplayer comes from his GT6??

and what exactly do you mean with:



running 'through'?
I just plug my guitar in my GT6 and the GT6 lines out to the Amp Hi Gain input...

What am I doing wrong?

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ehm, our guitarist hooks his GT-6 up to his amp but he sets the amp on clean, that way the distortion will purely be the sound of the FX pedal instead of the amp (you'll get double distortion plus a more messy sound if you use the amp on distortion in combination with the GT-6)

do you got your amp on distortion? just use the input jack, or the fx loop if there's an fx loop on your amp....

or get a neat stack

Well yeah, that was my problem in the first place:

If all my gain comes from the GT6 I have the annoying feedback again!
(When I reduce it it sounds less loud, when turning volume up having feedback again)

Would you mind asking your guitarplayer what patch he uses :
which preamp and overdrive type and how many gain, Eq, level, overdrive (and level) ...

If I would use that setup and my amp still gives feedback it's just the amps fault?

(Also would you ask which 'output' he uses?? There are some options: small amp, combo, stack, line in, .... I use the Line In output because the Small amp and combo options make the sound really bad and give even more feedback...)

thank you

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