well, opinions? i wanna know what you guys think.

personally, i love the band.

theyre koo, i get a little tired of listening to them but its a good band.

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nope, I've never heard of em. I'll have to check em out.......

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I like them but their new CD kinda is a let down. They r goin to shit since Gian left.

i like there old stuff.From The Cradle To Enslave sucked but when Midian came out im like this band is making a come back but then with Bitter Suites To Succubi they have just gone down hill from there

My personal opinion = It sucks!!



If you want to have more melodic stuff, with good vocals.
Try listen to Illnath, Throes of Dawn, Skyfire, Eternal Tears of Sorrow, kalmah!

much better bands!!

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since Gian left? is that the drummer? hes in Dimmu now right? i read something like that somewhere

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You really know your shit!

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im hoping thats not sarcasm lol

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i never heard em either.

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My opinion is the suck to.

It is...

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i feel offended ....no i dont. im bored, i hate summer vacation sometimes. such as times when i have nothing to do, like now. yup...yup yup yup...ok bye

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go get drunk

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er, you dont have to laugh. im pretty sure i read something like that somewhere. but it was an old article...anyway, if im wrong im wrong dont have to make a big deal out of my stupidity.

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is a good black metal band, great lirics and music but is not the big deal for me....
i do not stand female vocals on black metal or any kind of metal....

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Use this thread, Mr. Swill.


I don't tolerate creation of duplicate threads.

Wel, I come out in favor of correct gramar and sytax. Oh! Oh! And speeling! You syphilitic trained monkey. Buy a dictionary.

A brief Cradle of Filth polemic - I've never talked about them before because any kind of discussion usually descends into a screaming match between uber-fags about their xtr3m3 tr00ness! and not about the music... which is fairly ordinary and certainly not worth having eye-bleedingly loud discussions over.

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imo cradle is the best band out there! thats just imo though. alot of people would disagree because a) they suck b)they dont like dani's voice!!!!!! i think that they have spawned some of the greatest cd's of all time such as midian, bitter suites, and cruelty and the beast. anyways, u cant beat the fact that there are 3 people singing at the same time (in some cases) that are all doing different stuff yet it sounds so great together

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Uh.. whatever creams your cake.

which would be cradle, dickass

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I don't find them anything too special. Not bad, just kind of mediocre. I think they totally butchered Sodom's "Sodomy and Lust", although they made up for it with their covers of Iron Maiden's "Hallowed Be Thy Name" and Venom's "Black Metal." Their first album is my favorite, and I found they just kind of went down from there.

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Wow..... the most unintelligible thread I've seen yet. Lets start over.
Yeah, Gian left just before Cradle put out the new cd, Damnation and a Day.
Nick left around the time of From the Cradle To Enslave, he played on one or two songs, then they got Adrian from At The Gates for drums.
This we already established.

What gets me is how so many people misinterpret Dani's voice. He does MOST ALL the vocals. The newest addition to the band is Sarah, and she does backing vocals on somethings, but not nearly as much as Dani sings. I dont know where CradleofMike gets three people out of it, because its just Dani and Sarah at the most. But....with the choir....if you chose to include them as doing vocals, then its like 20-30 people, not sure of the exact number.

In my opinion, Damnation and a Day is Cradle's strongest release yet. The songs are still them, but they've utilized and actual orchestra and choir for the cd, which adds to it immensely. Dani, love him or hate him, still has one of the most incredible ranges of vocals I've heard, which is why I love him so....

Anyways, I'm done correcting people. I didnt want to come off as an ass, but I just like for people to have their facts straight.

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Dude, Damnation and a Day does´t even get near to the technical quality of Vempire, Dusk or Cruelty....

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well in "midian" dont they have a dude just for deep voice? watch the "her ghost in the fog" music video and there is an extra dude that is there! the same sounding voice is in vempire, and other cradle cd's. are you saying thats danni?!

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Actually that deep voice you heard on Midian was done by Doug (Pinhead) Bradley.
I don't know who that guy is in the video but I was disappointed that they didn't get Doug in the video.

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I think they suck... I used to like them... Used... Not any more... wow...

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im pretty sure that the vocals used there have been used in other songs like "queen of winter, throned and pretty much any other song with really low singing...

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Dickass? Pfft.

Ha...I'm sorry I didn't include the "Intro Vocals" guy in there. Maybe if he appeared on a majority of their stuff, I'd include him. But thats like saying the guy who did the intros on Damnation and a Day is doing vocals, hes not singing, hes just reading some things for the intros of songs. I guess its opinion if you really want to include that other dude as part of what Cradle do, but I just base if on whos in the band and does most of the work for it.

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I just bought the new albulm yesterday and have been listening to it (my first COF albulm) I know that there's a story but haven't figured it out exactly yet! And to all of those that say that they suck well then you suck for being so negative twords an artist's work...
Anyways I love the albulm I love COF

I like em, sure they have a bad image around em these days, and I do understand why, I still like their sound and the way they put their stuff together. Old Cof owns new still tho

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Vempire was al really cool album. also cruelty and the beast was nice.
But the later work really sucks! listen to the new album.. its really fucked up

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it probably sucks because you were expecting them to keep to their original style...well they didnt, but its still a cool cd if you give it a chance to grow on you

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I've never really got into any sort of black metal.

Hmm, thats the main problem with this issue, their are those who dont like it for good reasons and those who think its 'cool' and 'true' to not like the new stuff, its hard to tell where ppl stand coz of that I think these days.

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You should try it sometime...

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Ya, I've heard my fair share of black metal. I'd just rather other forms of metal, that's all.

OMG LIKE WTF REALLY?

Shut the fuck up Weija!

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yeah!! aswell as the rest of the band!

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I can't imagine that.

Sounds like someone bought Dusk and her Embrace. Or watched the DVD.

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principles....., dusk and her embrance, and beauty and the beast we're the're best work, now they kind of went downhil

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hmmm too bad its not called "beauty and the beast", shit stench.


midian is NOT downhill

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My favorite is cruelty and the beast
bitter suites to succubi sucked!!

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ok first off its not that hard to get a pic of dani and the band without there make up on..... go to there fucking website... oooo... so special, and also there new Cd Damnation and a Day is'nt that bad in my opinion, but i also think it doesnt stand up to Dusk...and her Embrace or CRUELTY and the beast, Midian wasnt bad i liked some songs on that one... but it wasnt there best work by far... and CradleOfMike if you knew anything about cradle you would know that is was "pinhead" from hell raiser that did the intro on "her ghost in the fog" but whatever keep posing and act like you know whats going on...

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I agree , The first 3 albums were pretty good (principle of evil made flesh , vempire , dusk and her embrace ) Cruelty and the beast has a Masterpiece which is Bathory Aria. Now the rest of the albums are ok as far as the music is concerned but i really hate dani's vocals. (although i appreciate the way he sings on Dusk and her Embrace)

In my oppinion , Cradle of Filth's sellout was a low hit but would you stop listening to them ? Maybe if you are true evil black metal (oh yah) but you can't critizice bands like the Beatles , Deep Purple , Led Zeppelin , Iron Maiden for being 'commercial' can you?

Hit yourself with a hammer

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eh... the beatles? they were the biggest pop band in history. most people who dont like metal havent even heard of iron maiden, led zepplin is more popular now, after they've stopped.

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hey dudes you know what?
i saw a little boy - maybe 8-9 years old,
and he was wearing one of those
stupid "cruelty and the beast" T-shirts,
those with the girl on front and the band on back...
(i had the same before years)

i asked him if he really is used to listen COF
and he said :"No, they're too commercial for me"!!!

in my opinion this is the greatest evidence
of what COF turned into!

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what? why would he be wearing a CoF shirt if he didnt listen to them?

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I love Cradle of Filth, Dani has the most amazing voice. Whats even more amazing is how he remembers his fuckin lyrics and with such speed! Go and read sum lyrics, try to remember the lyrics to one song even. I think you'll be surprised.

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That is the problem, I mean. People think they are commercial because little kiddies go around wearing their shirts etc. When in reality they are not really commercial at all because these kiddies dont even listen to their music but use the "commercial" excuse because they are copying what older music fans have said when these older music fans have seen 8 or 9 year olds wearing the t-shirts. I dunno if that made any sense to you but i did my best.

I like cradle, i mean i know some of their music is really basic crap, but then when you get a technically and musically brilliant piece of music, for example "Amor E Morte" off Midian, you see what they are capable of and realise that they do not suck.

(oh yeah, youll realise the significance of the old intro oaf in the Ghost in the fog video if you ever decide to watch Cradle of Fear which starrewd dani. Lots of the music vidoes use some ideas from the film)

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wo wo wo, youre all getting baffled here. take a deep breath...........better?
Cradle of Filth (i speak ONLY of the first three albums) WERE a brilliant band. Cruelty and the Beast is an album of amazing dark gothic beauty, powerful, sending shivers down your spine. No other black metal band ive heard to date have ever got close to this (with the exception of the opening of Night's Blood by Dissection). Your stupid if u say they suck. They may suck now, but just listen to C of the B and rethink such unconstructive comments. Along with this are some amazing lyrics and some damm good musicans. I also saw comments dissing nick barker's abilities. OH MY GOOD GOD!!. some of you have really gone mad. "He's not that fast". - whoever said that needs to die alone and very slowly. I know there are loads of amazing black metal drummers but he is definitely one of them, and probably among the top few. For those who think not, please get hold of raredamonaeon (or however its spelt) and listen to the live tracks. (also on the pandamonaeon video). Please dont fob me off with unconstructive comments, ive been studying music all my life to a professional level, i know what im talking about, im not a black metal freak but i know what good musicians sound like ok? ok

wow, this is old.

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It´s a great band. I like the form they are evolving.