Geez.. I wonder how long it's been since I've actually made a post..

.. I see there are quite a few guitarrists that know some theory..

..I might just make myself a regular if that happens..

So how many of you tweakers ot there know anythin about theory?

i know something...

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I know quite a lot about theory, though I find it a bit difficult to talk about it in english (I'm from Sweden).

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heres some theory i have a few more sheets if u want them just let me know

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Erm, i didnt understand some of that...but the last but with the 4/4 i got that

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basically if you look at official shhet music you will sometimes see sharps just after th 4/4 and before the treble clef this tells you what key the music is in therefore if you want to solo in the piece you will know what key to use e.g.

no sharps or flats

key = c major so you solo in c major

or if theres two sharpes

the key is d major so you solo in d major

as for the rest of it its just what the types of chords are made of

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Ok Mr theory

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naa i just have guitar lessons (like most people) and i have tolearn it for grade exams

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i never had guitar lessons but ive had piano lessons and i do senior music at my skool and theory is very important so u can compose your on music for assesment, so yeah i know somefink about theory

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Yeah, I know quite a bit of theory, I used to think I was too tough to learn theory, but then I learned some and realised I used to suck. I you wanna jam, or not have to take all day to figure out how you want to make a song sound, then your going to wanna learn some stuff.

That sheet is missing a lot of information.

like:
4 sharps: E
5 sharps: B
6 sharps: F#
4 flats: Ab
5 flats: Db
6 flats: Gb

Relative minor is also important. Relative minor is the 6th note in the major scale.
For example:

C D E F G A B C

A is the 6th note in C major, which makes it the relative minor.

Also, there are modes.

Modes are basically segments of the major scale, basically what determines a mode is what note you start on and what note you finish on.

so if you are playing: D E F G A B C D

You are playing in D Dorian

if you are playing: E F G A B C D E

You are playing in E Phrygian

This pattern continues. The mode names (in order): Ionian(aka major scale), Dorian, Phrygian, Lydian, Mixolydian, Aeolian, and Locrian.


For some of you people that already know that, you might know degrees, if not, then read on.

Ionian - degree is I
Dorian - degree is ii
Phrygian - degree is iii
Lydian - degree is IV
Mixolydian - degree is V
Aeolian - degree is vi
Locrian - degree is vii˚

You may notice that I, IV, V are capitalized. This is because the modes are major.
The other 3 modes are minor.
Locrian is diminished.( I have no clue why.. perhaps someone can fill me in)


If you are caught up with all of this.. perhaps we can talk about minor #7 chords, 6th chords, 9th chords, suspended chords, augmented chords( ), diminished chords, etc..

fuck, this is giving me a headache, i'll stick to playing tabs along woth the CD

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You just gotta take it slowly..

start out with learning the major scales.

Formula for major scale (which you should remember):

Whole Whole Half Whole Whole Whole Half..


example: C D E F G A B C

or.. Ab Bb C Db Eb F G Ab

C to D is a whole step
D to E is a whole step
E to F is a half step
F to G is a whole step
G to A is a whole step
A to B is a whole step
B to C is a half step

there's also the circle of fifths, but that would just confuse the hell out of... probably all you

all this technical talk makes me feel retarded, haha

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Maybe it's true?

Heh..

Chords:

A chord, i hope most of you know, is a combination of 2 or more notes played together.

Forming chords is about as easy as adding 2 and 2.

Lets use.. a Csus4add13

You might ask, how the fuck would i play that?

There are many ways to play it actually.. the problem is finding the notes..

since the root (i would hope you know what the root is) is a C chord, we will use the C major scale.

the C major scale is: C D E F G A B C

a formula for a suspended chord is 1,4,5

add13 means adding the 13th note in the scale...

you would think, wait a minute.. there's only 8 notes there..

What you do is: make it 2 octaves: C D E F G A B C D E F G A B C

Count up and the 13th note is an A

(but wait a minute.. A is also the 6th of C.)

That's true, but the reason why it's an add13 and not 6th is because if you add A to that Csus4 chord, making the notes: C F G (A)

(If you were to play a Cmaj6 chord then it would be: C E G A)


maybe next i'll go into applying modes to chords?

Knowledge of theory is awesome. Knowledge is power.

Somebody plays this chord example:

Am, Em, Dm, C

and you want to solo over it.. but how?

Pretty simple, considering the notes are all in one key- A minor(or C major)

The mode for A minor is also A aeolian (A B C D E F G A)

So soloing over that is pretty simple if you know the A aeolian mode. You just have to play the notes in A aeolian and try to match the notes in the chords with what you play.

But soloing is also adding more harmonics to the chord progression.

If you are into jazz, you would know that instead of playing only the notes in the Am chord (A C E) then only the notes in the Em chord(E G B), you can use other notes as well to create a unique sound.

Lets say the Am chord is played, you can play a G note.. this will create a 6th harmonic. Then the Em chord is played, try using a D note.. this will create a flatted 7th harmonic.

It is important to know that each chord itself creates it's whole scale, so the possibilities of soloing over them are endless. It takes practice to nail of insane solos, so take your time.

Next, I'll probably discuss key changes within chord progressions.

First off, I should explain how key changes within progressions work.

Say I'm playin the chords: Am Dm Bm Em

But wait.. Bm isn't in A minor.. so how does that work out!?

B minor is called a borrowed chord (a chord in another key)

But then you may ask, what key would that chord be in!???

Well, you can play it in any key where Bm would be present..

It would just depend on what kind of tone you are looking for..


But say I'm playing: Am D Em Dm

D isn't in A minor, so it is also a borrowed chord..

Let's try to figure out what key the D major chord is in:

We'll use the principle chords for C major(I, IV, V chords):
C F G

now we'll break down the chords in F and G major:

F . G . A . Bb . C . D . E . F
A . Bb . C . D . E . F . G . A
C . D . E . F . G . A . Bb . C

G . A . B . C . D . E . F# . G
B . C . D . E . F# . G . A . B
D . E . F# . G . A . B . C . D

D is present in both F and G major.. but since D is a principle chord in G major, it is considered borrowed from the G major scale..

Degree wise, it is a IV/V

or a 4th of a 5th.

Now... To apply this:

It's simple, the same way you play in one key, you play in two keys- play the notes of the chords, use harmonics, etc..


Next, I'll talk about complex chord progressions with key changes.

Kjeldgor, this thread has become an excuse for you to show off your knowledge, and it is off topic. I think its great that there are musicians out there like you that still care about theory but this is really pointless. The theory of music (guitar in general) is so expansive, you could make 1000s of posts about it. If people posts questions about theory or things in that category, feel free to post in thier and im sure that it will help them. But sence people arn't asking then there isnt much point. If it soon becomes like the A.H. questions then we will defenatly make a sticky about it that you can star in but I dont think thats gunna happen anytime soon.























That and your giving people headaches.

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