Alrite so i seem to have made a habit of posting my lack of knowledge of amplifiers and getting help for it on this website..im sorry i cant help that im a newb i just wanna learn..but so far all of the suggestions have helped me out in huge ways and i thank everyone whos responded and helped me

my latest dilemma...effects loop

basically my morley steve vai wah sounds like shit through the effects loop of my marshall head but amazing through the main input of the map...ive always been told that running effects thru the main input is bad for the tubes...is this true?? because i am going to be purchasing other efects pedals for my rig so i can complete my sound

i know the basic about an effect loop its a start and end point for your effects thats not interefering with the main signal....also my isp noise decimator is in this loop..when i use it it cuts out the feedback..but im pretty sure i can hear the feedback comeback with everynote i play...do i have ocd and this is normal or is this a problem??

i havnt tried the decimator through the main line yet but i will in short time my gear is at my drummers house

now when i got my decimator i was in that good old newb phase of not trying out DIFFERENT and OTHER pedals before u choose one..personally its been pretty good except for whats been stated above..however do any of you have any reccomendations for other noise reducing pedals i should try out?? i recognize there is no such PERFECT noise reducer your sustain and volume will always be reduced but illl take it to avoid loud hissing

Thanks to anyone who can help me out and who puts up with my lack of knowledge its greatly appreciated :P:P

Boss NS-2, all the way. I'm 100% sure more people here will recommend this to you as well.

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No not at all. Wah's, fuzzes, overdrives are supposed to go into the main input of the amp. Modulation effects like delay, flanger, chorus, phase, reverb etc. need to go in the FX loop(layman's terms: After the amp's distortion/preamp). You can use modulation effects in the main input but they won't sound as thick and present as in the loop.

EQ's are good anywhere, though they can make much bigger changes to the sound in the FX loop or after a distortion/OD pedal.

The ISP is a good pedal but it doesn't have a decay knob so you can't set how much time you want it to take to shut off the sound before feedback kicks in. I've read that the ISP in particular only works well into the main input of the amp.

I have a Boss NS-2 and I use it in the loop, cuts out pretty much all the noise. A noise reducer should be the last remedy to noise though, I would suggest having a look at your guitar's wiring to see if it's clean and grounded properly and consider changing your preamp tubes before investing in a new noise reduction pedal, especially if the one you currently have still can't cut down all of the noise.

Also what amp is it and what EQ and gain settings are you using? A lot of treble and gain are bound to produce tons of feedback at loud volumes on any amp.

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some tips and tricks

as soeru said, wahs and distortions go infront. They wont hurt your amp at all. Its actually worse for your to put wahs and distortions in the loop and might be the source of your problem right now.

Now for the fx loop and ISP. The isp is a great pedal, and probably the only noisegate pedal that doesnt change your tone, but it lacks the features of the boss, so you have to think whether you want features or no tone change. Now to run the isp, it really likes high levels of current, so if you run it in a low current situation (like infront of your amp) it will tend to crackle when it decays. But if you have an FX loop and can choose its level, set the thing to +4, (most fx loops have choice between -10 passive and +4 active). Your pedal will appreciate it.

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Thanks for all the help everyone like i sadi greatly appreciated

to answer soerus quesiton it is a marshall DSL50 with the treble at 5 bass 6.5 mid 8

and The bleeding...my effects loop has a button either in or out..it doesnt say -10 or +4 im assuming "in" is +4 then???

ps i never knew u were in toronto..small world

Yeah man, the "in position" is the +4 setting, it says something in the manual (available on the marshall website) along the lines of "the in position is for pedals and the out is for rack units" generally because rack units being considered an "active" unit, it needs a smaller signal strength, like the bleeding said, the decimator likes a higher draw, so the +4 setting is best.

hope this helps

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