Has anyone here dropped MDMA? I did for the first time last night and I'm still on an afterglow (200 mg pure MDMA powder) and I must say I feel as though it was the best night of my life. I went to a rave and it was awesome.

Anyone else?

Does this really need its own thread?
Use the RTT dude.

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Yeah, this could have posted in the RTT. And yes I have, went to a dance club and got to third base in my car with some chick I didn't know. Awesome night to say the lease.

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did you grind your teeth?

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Stupid shit

tried it when we played leeds festival this year, had a fucking random and great night where i managed to completely fuck my ankle (which i then had to drive a few hundred miles on), lose our vocalists keyboard and pick up some wicked northern lasses. good night that was. went way too fast.

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Not really, I was chewing gum the entire night. I drunk so much water that night though.

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good thing you did...

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Yeah dropping E and drooling all over yourself for a few hours is great.....



I'd rather drop cid any day.

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I haven't heard of anybody doing x in years. Last time it was big was when i was like 6 years ago.

Never did it, never will.

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Nothing special really.

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I used to sell it. Then i ODed on it. Won't touch it again.

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I remember when some kid in my high school school ODed on it years ago. One kid took his wallet and ran off instead of getting help for him lolz.

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Haven't done it, want to try it. I've heard that oxycodone can be kinda like E, and I've done that. I liked that a lot, so I figured why not try a bit of E.

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Nah dude, it's not. Opiates work mainly by drastically increasing your dopamine levels, while E works mainly off your Serotonin. They definitely have different highs.

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yeah i tried it one with speed pot hash and coke...i didnt feel it as much as it should do but from what i've feel, i didnt like it very much. i rather prefer speed

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Same. I've seen that drug ruin far too many people.

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I think I might not do it now. Or if I do I'll pop barely anything to see if I like the subtle effects.

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that drug is dangerous to your neuro-chemistry, be forewarned.

On a long enough timeline, the side effects much outweigh the actual high.

Avoid that stuff.

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I've tried it and had a lot of fun.......it was me, my friend and about 7 chicks. I showed them drangonforce.......lol.

I've also been to a rave and didn't take any drugs but totally had a placebo effect trip from all the whack jobs around me.

I wouldn't be opposed to taking E again....but no more than a couple of times.

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Exactly. Most drugs are stupid.

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I disagree. However, there are a lot of stupid PEOPLE who shouldn't be taking drugs. Drugs can't be stupid.

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Well I'm not going to start popping X pills every day but I certainly plan on going to a rave again in the future (although everyone says to give it 3 months between each use). I'll probably wait til summer vacation or next school year. And I'm sure this has to do with an afterglow effect and sustained high serotonin levels, but I've been very positive the past few days. And I'm usually a huge cynical, angry, slightly depressed asshole.

Certainly the best drug I've ever used.

Just wait til you start crashing from it and get a 2 day E hangover, where your serotonin basically shuts off.

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But it would be unwise to use certain drugs at all, most drugs actually.


the effects of mdma on the brain are permanent, it's not a question of doing it in moderation or anything, it's not a question of an individual's behavior while on it.......it causes brain damage, alters your neuro-chemistry each time you do it.

no person can withstand the negative side effect in much the way that cocaine damages the heart or cigarettes damage the lungs. I also think the damage is much worse than the person is aware of.

weed you can moderate, booze as well...some things you can minimize the side effects.



You've been positive because it has lasting effects,that's how potent the drug is.

this drug literally makes you stupid. there is no real polite way to say it. It would be in your best interest to never use it again.

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The real problem with ecstasy is the people you end up taking it near. Fuck those guys.

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^HA

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i dont think its a bad drug at all really.... unless you go crazy on the shit. same goes for any drug tho. i have buddies that used that shit on a daily basis for over a month. and they wont be the same again. my one buddy actually thought that the government was spying on him. he thought they had cameras set up right in his house. now these guys were doing like 15-20 pills a night!! so thats a little much im sure you all will agree. but he actually freaked out and took off to toronto were he stayed for awhile becuase he was so paranoid. thats like over a 24 hour drive from where we live.

so it really did fuck them up but thats only cuz they used way too much. as long as ur not using 20 pills a night, you should be fine.

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Yeah problem is x tolerence gains very fast. I know so many people who would have to take like 8 pills just to have any effect. And at the cost for each pill, you do the math on money. That alone says how much it blows if anything.

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idk how much you pay but drugs are cheap where i come from. i think thats cuz everybody there does so many drugs cuz thers nothing else to really do. so anyways for whatever reason the drugs are always cheap. they were paying i think around 5 buks a tab.

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jesus christ.

I'm getting old or that shit is really cheap now.

used to be like 20 bucks or so.

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If you have to take 8 pills to get the effect, chances are you've taken the drug too often.

Like PantericA said, just don't go ape-shit and be "responsible" with the drug.



Wasn't E originally designed as an anti-depressant? I've also heard it was widely prescribed in marriage counseling.

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after my ex and i broke, she did a fuck load of it, and i have heard stories about her and all i can say is "lol"

plus there is a few cats that hang around with my current womanz who LOVE that shit. but then again most are a bunch of douches. *cough* Boyd *cough* also theres a guy bassB and i know who used to abuse the fuck out of it, and i think his words summed it up:

when asked i want to do E he says "DONT FUCKIGN DO IT, IT WILL RUIN YOUR LIFE!!!" and then after they will say well whats it like? he says "best fucking time of your life."

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dont know what it was originally for but yeah ive seen ppl pay upwards to 25-30 buks a pill too. but like i said its just where i come from. all the drugs are really cheap there. i think mostly cuz its a small town and nobody wants to rip anybody off. (well there are exceptions) but when you know the right ppl, there always cheap. coke was 60 buks a gram.

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I used to sell them for anywhere from 20-35 a pill, depending on the quality and the buyer. If you're buying them for 5 a pill, most likely they are garbage and cut with everything under the sun. And if you're taking 8 pills, then they really are garbage. 8 pills of even a decent product should kill you. Or least hospitalize you. Tolerance builds fast, but it drops just as fast. Unless you're taking it every single day, then it really doesn't build up that much.

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Nah taking 8 pills isn't going to kill you, especially if you have a high tolerence. The people i know had been doing that shit for a long time. They'd probably drop that shit once or twice a week easily. It was really big when i was in like the middle years of high school but after raves died in North Carolina so did x. In fact i haven't heard anything about it since. My sister was really big into it too. I think she used to do like 4 at a time.


Drugs must be cheap in canada.

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dude, don't tell me. I used to do it 3-4 times a week for months, and I ODed on 5-6 pills over the course of a night. So yeah, dude, 8 pills of decent E very well can kill you.

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hell fucking true...thats probally the worst thing you can feel in your life. That was the problem with speed pills and me and thats why i stoped taking this shit.

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Does anyone know how I can track down good X pills? I'm just deathly scared I'm going to get something cut with meth or coke or something. How can I tell what is good? Mindless Self Indulgence is coming to where I live in 3 months and I'd like to get some for that and stash it away and then give the drug a rest for a bit. But my friend doesn't have anymore pure mdma and I don't trust people in Miami with drugs.

You can get a ecstasy test kit. I'm not sure how much they cost, but my supplier used to have one and we would test all our batches before we sold them. It's always good to know your product.

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Well, no. While most people accept it as a neurotoxin (not really a big deal), its ability to "permanently alter neuro-chemistry" is a pretty big statement to make that I doubt has any validity. Sounds like some highschool "science" class anti-drug bullshit. If you can provide a credible source for this claim, then please do. I really can't think of any substance that, after one small exposure to, will screw up your neurochemistry forever (exculding some prolonged exposure to certain chemicals, like mercury of the like) unless you've got some latent psychosis laying around that it brings out.

http://www.erowid.org/references/re...ShowDoc1&ID=380

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Darko, that actually reminds me of a study they did on this one guy. Supposedly the guy ate Ecstacy every day for like a year, eating up to 30 pills a day. They ran tests on his brain and the tests came up that it indeed did show some, but only very minor neurological damage. I'm sure you can look this up somewhere online, maybe i'll search it later if i'm feeling up to it. I'm not saying the results are typical and i'm not saying to go eat 30 E pills a day haha, but the point is that if the drug can be abused to that extreme and have only minor neurological damage, then I would be inclined to believe that only one, two, or even a few uses of the drug would have very minimal, if any, permanent side effects.

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Okay, maybe I was wrong. Definitely was wrong. Here's the article.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4874938.stm
And there were definite long term side effects. haha maybe my past ecstacy use has fucked with my memory on this one.

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HAHA

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he should have been called 'Mr E'

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4716500.stm music intensifies e

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Who the hell is that?

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there is a website.....hmmm. search on google cause i forgot the name of it...but the site tells you what the pills contain by their markings. granted that it's kind of difficult to forge a pink dolphin with yellow eyes on a pill, the site is pretty accurate but not %100. a little time spent researching and you should easily be able to find it.

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Well, my evidence is anecdotal.....I have friends who done the shit, some of which had bad experiences.

I just glanced at that source and I'm willing to accept what you say, as tho I don't think "no big deal" is the layman's terms on what it asserts. I know I'm using terms clumsily here.

It fucks up your seratonin levels, it may damage the cells that produce the substance, it may fuck the equilibrium of such levels, long-term studies on it's effects aren't or weren't comprehensive when I was using heavy drugs and became familiar with this drug about 10 years ago. Maybe it isn't as bad as I'm making it out, but from my experiences alone, I tell folks to avoid it at all costs.


It turns people into burnouts.........this is something I have observed.

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Yes agreed. I think this is another one of those, "just cause it hasn't happened to you, or somebody you know" doesn't make it not neccesarily true kind of thing. Overall its playing with something in the brain that probably shouldn't be chemically tampered with.

Also is there any evidence to show a weakened production of serotonin after use overtime? Which would obviously lead to depression and what not. I think i've read that somewhere before...

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jew boy ryan

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my buddies used that shit like every waking hour. it wasnt shit X. im not stupid man. ur not the only drug dealer around

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Oh right! Hairy Jew Boy! How could I forget? lolol.

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sorry if i came off the wrong way in my post, i'm not trying to be an asshole or anything. My post actually wasn't even directed toward you at all. But anyway, obviously if you're going to be taking it constantly, then you're going to build a rapid tolerance if you never give your body a chance to recover. When i said about the 8 pills killing you, i wasn't referring to a walking 'e' tard, haha, i was referring more to your average recreational user. If the average user takes 8 quality E pills, then they're in for some serious trouble.

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yes that is true. you cant just decide one day ur going to take 10 pills and think everything is going to be fine lol.

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haha!

ive never had ecstasy. nor have any of my close friends. none of the people i know (in person) have ever told me they have had it either. its not popular here. probably for the best, im sure.


insanity

yes

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If you need drugs to have the best night of your life then you are pathetic.

If you tried 200 mg of pure mdma...you'd realize that this statement is stupid. It's not possible to feel so good without substance help. You're quite a romantic though! I bet you live a life of relentless, amazing adventure, scandilous sex, and intriguing intellectualism.

Especially since you live in Ohio, the capitol of excitement.

Please don't talk anymore.

Pathetic weakling.

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What would you consider as the best night of your life?

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One more thing I like to add, and it just occurred to me now

X is known to cause impotence/erectile dysfunction/can't get it up while the subject is on the drug........and what is common is the use of X with Viagra to compensate. The majority of people taking it who otherwise are normal are rendered limp.

Alcohol can do the same thing but only when a person is nearly dead, on that "choke on your own vomit" level of being wasted.

So permanent brain maybe not, but this is a good example of the drugs power. negative side-effects.

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Any night he gets to correct people on genre affiliation.

If anyone called me a "Pathetic Weakling" in real life, I'd probably laugh hysterically. What are you? Darth Vader? Shao Kon?

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Well, I don't think the probability of X making you limp is a good deturrent. And maybe for you it takes you that much alcohol to render your winkie useless, but I know a lot of people (my self somewhat included) that has a hard time keeping hard just drunk.

All drugs have side-effects and a lot have some very serious ones much worse that impotence (including X). Not that I'm trying to guard X or anything (hell, I've never even done it).

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mostly all the best nights of my life i have be either wasted or fuct on some kinda drug. altho ive been on drugs since i was 12.... so i guess rehab isnt to bad a place for me to be right now

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Watch the movie kids, especially the end of of it then come back with this statement.

Thats not going to happen. Especially the "intriguing intellectualism" as you so elequently put. I'd love to see these "conversations" you speak of, of these extremely intelligent people taking X or these people who BECOME intelligent and need to express that fact once they've taken X.

And I (for once) agree with Cannibalxampire on this one. Sure i've had some fun nights but to say that the best times somebody can possibly have are when the brain is no longer functioning in rational ways, is lunacy and a blow at any reason to not be drugged up 24/7. Why be sober when you can be having the best time of your life EVERY TIME you take drugs? This is a lame argument.

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you dont feel good every time you take drugs, asshole. i used cocaine daily for about 3 years of my life. i had some really fun times near the begining of my addiction, some of the best times, but near the end i didnt even want to use it. i felt like shit. it was just so easy i couldnt stop. but anyways lets not turn this convo around. all im saying is that for ME, my best times were when i was high or drunk. period. im not saying you cant have a good time sober, its just a different kind of fun. idk how to explain it but anyone thats done any amount of drugs will know what im talking about.

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I don't think you quite understood what I said. What is rationale anyway? You do realize the entire concept of "rationality" is a philosophical dilemma and can't be proved either way. You're on a trip right now. Perception is highly relative.

I was saying CannibalXampire's life must be so amazingly fascinating since he's so haughty as to call me a "pathetic weakling" for liking to perceive reality other than the good ol' day-in, day-out way. I bet most peoples' best nights of their lives are experienced while under the influence of something. "Normal" life isn't exciting. Why is it pathetic either way? What amazingly defining thing has happened in your life that is better than flooding your brain with feel-good chemicals? The moment you looked into your girlfriend's eyes? Gnarly.

You're gonna ruin yourself man. I had alot of friends that did X alot and they have never been the same since. Grow some common sense you foolish mongoloid, there are better things in life than this chemical bullshit that will ruin your body and mind.

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I'll stick to my weed. The only thing I have to worry about it cops and drug tests.

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Dude, I fucking wish!


And getting real slow and real dumb.


Try life for once instead of pussing out.

???

You shouldn't be listening to those Above the Influence commercials, they have the same effect.

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Agreed. I hate feeling debiliated, impaired and forget roughly half of what I did when stoned.

"best nights of their lives"??

what is that, really?


I have no "best" night, just good ones, or bad ones on occasion.

I only see it like, I've had intense drug experiences that now years post de facto ring quiet hollow as seen in terms of personal accomplishment or fun.

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Should I stop listening to the dozens of people I've met and talked to about this whose experiences only support my statement?

It seems people have different experiences. For me, saying weed makes you dumb and slow was a slap in the face. If anything I've became more active and outgoing, and I started reading more novels and I appreciate music even more. I will say some just sit around and do nothing while high, but they were more than likely dull and ignorate before they started smoking weed.

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You guys can't judge something unless you've done it. That's about the equivalent of people who say that metal is talentless noise, but yet have never actually sat down and listened to it. Obviously the drug has good points, or people wouldn't do it, but yeah too much of anything is bad. If someone wants to try a drug, who are you to tell him not to? Maybe to that person it's worth the risk of possible side effects..I mean how would you know it's not worth the risk if you've never even tried the drug. I just don't believe people should voice an opinion about something they haven't experienced.

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Wrong.


So was buttsex as bad as you thought it would be?

What about teh felching?

Well then, what am I wrong about?

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Nothing. You can't be wrong about your own individual reaction towards a drug. CX is an idiot who's just angry his acne hasn't cleared up on his ass yet. MT is the perfect place for him!

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Wrong about your assumptions of those people.

I'm just going by my experience with some potheads. A lot of them were dull and had the personality a brick before they smoked pot.

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Nice strawman.

You made the assumption that it makes you "real slow and real dumb." Then, Savior compliments that statement by saying he knows potheads that are like that, then you tell him he's wrong? Or do you mean they were NOT dumb and etc before they started smoking and it was the evil spawn of satan whacky weed that that made them that way!

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Because I definitely said that weed was evil.

Don't put word in my mouth. It was clear what he was wrong about.

Nah, actually your asshole was a lot tighter than I expected.

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No i don't think i missunderstood what you said, if thats not what you meant, then you said the wrong thing. Regardless of preception being relative, if one says that the best moments are in life are only when the person is under the influence of something, then why not be under the influence every moment of your life? This is a basic logic question which you fail to answer.

If your only response to my arguments are that everything is relative and that i can't have any basis for my argument then neither can you. So, lets drop this preception and relative bullshit here and now.

I still agree with the fact that if you need drugs to enhance your life, your life obviously sucks. There are much better things in life, and better experiences one can have that are away from drug experiences. I could think of 100 examples of this without even trying.

Regardless of whether Cannibalxampire is a dick (which he is) he still has a solid point (even if its overladen with personal attacks and not the most coherent of reasoning). People take drugs to run away from reality, it would be pretty hard for anybody to make a case that refutes this.

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I don't know about anyone else, but I smoke weed and drink to enhance reality. And escaping from reality is good every once and a while. I don't do it too often and I don't feel like it has harmed my life or made me a shitty person as of yet.

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If I could spend every waking moment on ecstasy, I probably would. Except no society would accept such behavior, my senses would get dull to its effects thereby causing me to search for a better stimulation, and spending as much time as possible on ecstasy would render sobriety absolutely depressing.

Of course you can have good experiences off of drugs, but I, being a college student, have noticed that next-to-no college social functions are drug-free. (except boring and corny ones). Alcohol sucks, I don't much like marijuana as a party drug, and I don't want to try cocaine. Going to functions sober is never fun. Sitting alone on metaltabs.com on Friday and Saturday nights is boring. It's infinitely easier fucking girls when drugs are involved (I like to fuck).

I'm not trying to be some ignorant drug addict, I'm just going by my experiences. What are my options to have fun without drugs involved? I'm strictly a weekend drug-user, but often times I find weekends where I remain sober unpleasantly boring. I don't have fun sitting around playing guitar and surfing the internet. I have more fun getting drunk and going to South Beach. Particularly, the most fun I've ever had was at a Rave in downtown Miami on ecstasy.

I figured some may take my last post the wrong way. I get high for the fun of it. I love the sensation. I could easily live without it, but it makes things less dull.

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it's impossible to maintain the neurochemical balance of an E high 'permanently'. like people have already stated, it's neurotoxic and it disturbs the natural balance so it's not really an option.

there are people who try ... they're called addicts. and look what happens, they fry eventually and end up with parkinsons.

the closest you can get is using prescription anti-depressants of the SSRI variety, but the feeling is completely different. and people do stay on those everyday in order to improve their quality of life. some people need help. mental health isn't a joke.

i think most E users would gladly choose to experience the E high for the majority of their lifetime, but it doesn't work like that. most drugs serve best as a counterbalance. life is made of of oppositional forces. it's nice to work hard and to play hard.




your life obviously sucks if you're preaching like a conservative douche that 'drugs' are inherently unnecessary and a waste. we ARE fucking chemical. and we ingest a wide variety of external chemicals everyday. some for simple survival others for pleasure and stimulation. how are you drawing a distinction?

to deny yourself all hedonistic pleasure is pretty stupid, and runs counter to the 'freedom' that metal is all about. it is a simple fact that the monstrous serotonin flood that's caused by MDMA is unparalleled. it's almost physically impossible to experience those sensations any other way (unless you have unbelievable mind control like through some kind of meditation, but i don't really believe that stuff ... it's ego based imho).

and what sensations they are. that shit will crack your heart open like a fucking care bear. you will never feel as emotionally open and connected to those around you as you will on E. it is the ultimate love drug, and you can fully realize the potential and capacity for human compassion.


it would be pretty hard NOT to refute this. if you've ever taken LSD than you'd have a better idea of wtf you're talking about. most drugs, especially psychedelics (MDMA is a phen, same family as mescaline) suppress your ego and allow you dissect your own mind, sort of like auto-psychoanalysis. they are not some kind of joy ride that has no bearing on sober life. if you want escapism, pick on hollywood films, television, world of warcraft, etc. drugs are very much about you as an individual, and you bring your own demons.

is dreaming bad? is it useless? well they're one and the same. an access to your subconscious, allowing you an alternate point of view that lays beyond your ego and rationality.

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Nine days after dropping MDMA and I'm still very positive and my general outlook has been much "better" than usual. Could this be from my brain still riding off of that eruption of Serotonin? Should I still expect an inevitable "E-hangover" in which my Serotonin will basically be nil? I'm very pleased to report no negative side effects thus far (I'll be sure to let everyone know if things change though.)

Still two thumbs up for X from me.

How many times have you taken x before?

Why wouldn't you do cocaine? You might as well considering X is laced with so much shit its obnoxious.

Kleenx: You're assuming a hell of a lot more than you should.

The point i was making on staying "high all the time" was a hedonistic approach. If it makes you happy then why not do it? If its "oh so amazing" why not suffer the concequences in order to constantly have good times? If the concequences eventually (sooner than later) bring on something that makes the good times seem not so good, why do it? Live by the moment?

LSD often times rides on insecurities and dominate feelings at the time. I've seen it time and time again.

To sit here and act like i've have no idea about drugs is ridiculous. Like i didn't come from a small town in eastern north carolina plagued by "nothing better to do than drugs."

I know people who have died doing shit on drugs many times. I know a guy who died on X while driving a car cause he ran straight into a semi truck.

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That was my only time--the situation I described at the start of this thread. I honestly want to take it again quite a lot, but I don't want to any time soon because I'd like it to be as awesome in future uses.

Don't expect to see results from taking one does of MDMA. If mdma royally fucked you up after a single use nobody would take it.

And no, you don't want to build a threshold for it and end up taking loads of it just to feel the same sensation.

I do the same thing with dip now and again. I'll put in a dip once every oh 6 months to a year when i'm drunk and it makes me pretty fucked up.

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kalmahswamp you might want to check out...
dancesafe for a test kit
pillreports for pill reviews (although you said you get pure powder)
to lessen the jaw clench you can try magnesium supplements, and to ease the crash you can try 5htp supplements. there's lots of info out there on how to get the most out of your trip.

after a few uses MDMA can lose its sparkle, but there are a lot of similar substances to explore, and you may find some of the related compounds deeper and more rewarding. you can only trip so many times, so it's best to do a bit of research and get the best tool for the job ... no point wasting your brain on subpar shit.

Kalmah, usually the E hangover happens 2 days after you drop it, so if you didn't experience it then, then you didn't have it. I didn't get one my first time, or maybe even my first few times I did the drug.

TmFreak, not all E is laced with "so much shit it's obnoxious". If you have a good, reliable source, then you could very well get pure, or almost pure MDMA. I sold 4 different brands of E back in the day, only 1 of them turned out to be meth-based. How do i know this? Like i said, me and my supplier would test each batch we would get with an E test kit. But I mean yeah, if you're buying it from some shady dude at a rave for $5 a pill, then odds are you're probably getting shit laced with everything under the kitchen sink.

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