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Old 2008-02-27, 15:38
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Old 2008-02-27, 15:56
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That was probably the most ridiculously written "news" piece i've seen. Terribly loaded with opinionated garbage.



prison-planet is home to Alex Jones, internet renowned 911 conspiracy theorist.

the dude is lame and his websites suck. there is absolutely no journalistic credibility to that site.
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Old 2008-02-27, 15:58
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Alex Jones lives in Austin. I've run into him a couple times. Shook his hand.
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Old 2008-02-27, 16:13
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he got a radio station down there too, I believe.

I don't like his political views at all.

He represents almost like the tabloid/parody element to what political dissent is and I wouldn't be surprised to find out decades from now that he was a total phoney and all his views an elaborate hoax to basically make alot of money off of the tinfoil hat crowd.

would not be surprised at all.
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Old 2008-02-27, 16:29
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The whole british media is a fucking joke. Just reading all that bullshit makes them look like the most un-educated people ever. Especially what they write about stuff that happens in other countries. I really, REALLY hope it's just the media.
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Old 2008-02-27, 16:53
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The whole british media is a fucking joke. Just reading all that bullshit makes them look like the most un-educated people ever. Especially what they write about stuff that happens in other countries. I really, REALLY hope it's just the media.


i think media generally is a fucking joke, what country is safe from it.
also you know that article is a total exaggeration right? i mean come on, no one here would think that haha
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Old 2008-02-27, 17:00
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he got a radio station down there too, I believe.


No he doesn't. The show broadcasts nationwide, but Alex Jones is from Austin and this is where he does his show. He's also been on Public Access TV for a coon's age.
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Old 2008-02-27, 18:05
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i think media generally is a fucking joke, what country is safe from it.
also you know that article is a total exaggeration right? i mean come on, no one here would think that haha

Apparetly everyone geez. Moron...

How stupid is london god... its common knowledge that earthquakes have happened many times since the last terrorist attack if there ever even was one there. PFF how could someone even think it was a terrorist attack?

YEAH No.

First of all even if people thought it was a terrorist attack that is a FAR BETTER POSSIBILITY than an earthquake outside the plate boundries, so to call anybody who thought it was a terrorist attack stupid is just asinine.

Obviously i didn't know (still don't know too much) about the writer of the article but its apparent its loaded with anti-whatever garbage and isn't even worth the time of day. To attempt to convey that so many of those who felt the quake thought it was a terrorist attack is just lame and irresponsible. tabloid sounds about right.

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Old 2008-02-27, 19:00
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well the worst one is CNN news, i think i never seen something else than nasdaq terrorists terrorists and football. THIS is brain wash
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Old 2008-02-27, 20:07
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well the worst one is CNN news, i think i never seen something else than nasdaq terrorists terrorists and football. THIS is brain wash

They all are equally as bad. People shit on fox news alot, but they are just as biased as any of the other ones.

People claim npr and bbc are all "unbiased" but thats bull too. I listen to npr pretty often and alot of questions are leading questions towards whatever view they seem to think is what people want to hear, and they bring in alot of people that have no idea what they're talking about and it just completely misrepresents stories.
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Old 2008-02-27, 20:37
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Old 2008-02-27, 21:00
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npr isn't that political tho, but yeah they are obviously left.

Air America is terrible tho.......it's the Rush Limbaugh of the left(some lady hosts the show, I don't know her name) and I say this as someone who generally agrees with the sentiments expressed on that shitty show.

same dumbed down, partisan hack tactics of discrediting the other side.

fox news has done some deliberately retarded shit tho, like the time when that senator guy from florida was caught emailing the teenage intern cybersex creepy shit, fox ran a banner stating the guy was a democrat.
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Old 2008-02-27, 21:03
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Apparetly everyone geez. Moron...

How stupid is london god... its common knowledge that earthquakes have happened many times since the last terrorist attack if there ever even was one there. PFF how could someone even think it was a terrorist attack?

YEAH No.

First of all even if people thought it was a terrorist attack that is a FAR BETTER POSSIBILITY than an earthquake outside the plate boundries, so to call anybody who thought it was a terrorist attack stupid is just asinine.

Obviously i didn't know (still don't know too much) about the writer of the article but its apparent its loaded with anti-whatever garbage and isn't even worth the time of day. To attempt to convey that so many of those who felt the quake thought it was a terrorist attack is just lame and irresponsible. tabloid sounds about right.

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did you read where the people who thought it was a terrorist attack were from. council estates don't make much of a terrorist target in my eyes...
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Old 2008-02-27, 21:22
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Old 2008-02-27, 21:24
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Old 2008-02-27, 22:06
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did you read where the people who thought it was a terrorist attack were from. council estates don't make much of a terrorist target in my eyes...

I hope you know i was kidding about what i was saying about your post.

But council estates doesn't mean a whole lot to me. (what is it)

Low-Tech: I mean obviously i know some are more political and paid off than others. Exactly what you said is more or less what i'm refering to.

But its like media in general. If anybody claims they know what they're talking about then they put them on the spot, and the people end up extending way beyond their knowledge and the scope of whats going on.

One recent story was the bill for intelligence collections regarding protection for telecom companies. They had some woman who is retired from the intelligence field running her mouth about things she doesn't know what shes talking about.

The inner workings of the bill and what was needed to be done. I think what ends up happening isn't so much they are INTENTIONALLY getting people that might go with their staffs ideals, rather they are ignorant in letting people just say whatever they want.

The other day i heard some white girl who is a historian on like slavery in america was trying to say the ONLY slaves were black and they were owned by white people.

The moment i heard that i angrily turned my radio off. Fucking bullshit i call it.
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Old 2008-02-27, 23:17
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I actually have no idea, and have been curious about that myself. Wherever it is, it certainly would make for an amazing venue to play at.


Found it. It doesn't start with "Q" and I was a couple countries northwest from its composer's origin (Turky) though I was right about the translation (Shepard/Sheep Hearder)!

Its called Koyunbaba by Carlo Domeniconi. I looked around for a good video of it and of course, that fucking bitch Li Jie did a fantastic job with it. Anyway, here you go: http://youtube.com/watch?v=szY7jmWHXJc&feature=related. The final movement (around 8:13) is fucking great.

Its funny how I remembered the name. I was sure it started with "Q" last night. Then, this morning, I woke up and knew for sure that I was wrong and that it started with "K". Then, later in the day as I was walking back from the POTTY to class I just said out loud "Koyunbaba!". I'm amazing.
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Oh yeah, Koyunbaba.

Another very popular piece as far as classical guitar is concerned. I actually got to witnessed it getting butchered by some popular "old-school" guitarist at the ravinia concert hall. My guitar teacher actually learned that piece, but I've only ever heard him play once. It looks and sounds absolutely insane. The tuning is supposed to be in C# Minor

Li Ji, is like a smaller John Williams. For some reason just watching her kills the music; she does have one of the better quality performances on youtube.

Barrios was one of the greatest classical guitar composers ever. Julia Florida

I'm actually going to playing that at a concert tomorrow along with some carcassi tremolo study.
 
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Do you have any videos of yourself playing?

Hopefully I'll pick up all this shit fast enough so I can start with what I really want to learn: Flamenco.
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Old 2008-02-28, 03:18
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Two, but both are complete shit.I'll definitely produce some videos once I get down La Catedral (so it'll be a while).

Classical guitar is kind of different from Flamenco; Supposedly. The finger styles are similar, but not exactly the same; for instance, classical guitarist never use their pinky for playing outside of certain strum techniques, whereas Flamenco guitarist some times incorporate their Pinky into their playing. Also, Flamenco is usually a much faster paced style of music, and can be more complex because of the unorthodox way they pick, and strum certain things. Nail structure can also be different too.

Do they have you working on any particular pieces?
 
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Classical guitar is kind of different from Flamenco; Supposedly. The finger styles are similar, but not exactly the same; for instance, classical guitarist never use their pinky for playing outside of certain strum techniques, whereas Flamenco guitarist some times incorporate their Pinky into their playing. Also, Flamenco is usually a much faster paced style of music, and can be more complex because of the unorthodox way they pick, and strum certain things. Nail structure can also be different too.


Those are some of the major reasons I want to learn Flamenco. I love its energy, spasticness, backround, and mind set. My nails are also better manicured for it.

I asked my teacher about someone like me learning Flamenco and he said a Flamenco guitarist would laugh and tell you to take at least 5 years of Classical lessons first. Not an exciting thing to hear, but depending on how I advance over this semester I'll probably start taking private Flamenco lessons outside of school and see how that goes.

I'm currently working on some really basic pieces that were made just for practicing some right hand picking techniques I'm uncomfortable with. Nothing exciting yet.

Let me know when you get some videos you'd be willing to share.

In the meantime, check out the following:

Antemeridiem (www.antermeridiem.fi - Get Opaque! Entire album up for download): Incredible Finnish acoustic band with percussion. If you're familiar with Born to Shred, its Mr. Fat Crab and Uli!

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I will sound like a newb but flamenco is some bad ass shit.

For the last week on my npr station i've heard classical pieces on guitar and every single time.. i'm like this is sick.. this has to be a bach piece. Interestingly enough its always a bach piece. (my favorite baroque composer BY FAR. Maybe composer of all time?)

But the skill needed to play some of these pieces are literally mind blowing.
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also you know that article is a total exaggeration right? i mean come on, no one here would think that haha


True, but some have even some kind of reliability. The thing brits wrote about the school massacre that happened in Finland some time ago was the biggest bullshit I've ever read.
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I've got a classical piece up on FAECBOOK.

It's not the most challenging thing, really, but it's cool. I'm working on a tremolo piece for the first time, and that's actually going quite well.

Classical is hard as hell, and that's why I'm not going to be aiming for a professional career. The only time you'd have left outside of practice you'd have to use to just jerk-off, and then all of a sudden you'd have to fuckin' practice again.
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Those are some of the major reasons I want to learn Flamenco. I love its energy, spasticness, backround, and mind set. My nails are also better manicured for it.

I asked my teacher about someone like me learning Flamenco and he said a Flamenco guitarist would laugh and tell you to take at least 5 years of Classical lessons first. Not an exciting thing to hear, but depending on how I advance over this semester I'll probably start taking private Flamenco lessons outside of school and see how that goes.

I'm currently working on some really basic pieces that were made just for practicing some right hand picking techniques I'm uncomfortable with. Nothing exciting yet.

Let me know when you get some videos you'd be willing to share.

In the meantime, check out the following:

Antemeridiem (www.antermeridiem.fi - Get Opaque! Entire album up for download): Incredible Finnish acoustic band with percussion. If you're familiar with Born to Shred, its Mr. Fat Crab and Uli!

Kaki King (Lets To Make Us Longer is her best, but her debut Everybody Loves You is good too): You might have heard of her. Very innovated and creative acoustic guitarist. Love her.

Flametal: Exactly what the name sounds like. Fucking awesome.

Those are the same reasons I still listen to alot of metal.

I think you're teacher is probably wrong about what he said. It's best to be trained by a Flamenco teacher from the get-go if you're planning to go into it later, whether or not you're advanced enough to play any of the pieces. They'll probably give you some of the same repertoire that you would get by a classical guitarist, but with some extra twists to it. I do agree with the 5 years thing though, it will be a while be for you're playing anything really advanced as far as Flamenco goes, unless you put in loads of practice, but some one like you probably has really good fretting hand technique, so I'm sure that some of the stuff should come a long faster then say, some one just starting guitar.

Once your left and right hands become more in tune, then you'll be able to get started on the fun stuff.

One of those links is broken, but I'll see if I can find some of that on soulseek.

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I will sound like a newb but flamenco is some bad ass shit.

For the last week on my npr station i've heard classical pieces on guitar and every single time.. i'm like this is sick.. this has to be a bach piece. Interestingly enough its always a bach piece. (my favorite baroque composer BY FAR. Maybe composer of all time?)

But the skill needed to play some of these pieces are literally mind blowing.


You should post the names of pieces you hear. I need to hear more stuff anyway; I'm still just a newb myself when it comes to all of this.

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I've got a classical piece up on FAECBOOK.

It's not the most challenging thing, really, but it's cool. I'm working on a tremolo piece for the first time, and that's actually going quite well.

Classical is hard as hell, and that's why I'm not going to be aiming for a professional career. The only time you'd have left outside of practice you'd have to use to just jerk-off, and then all of a sudden you'd have to fuckin' practice again.

You should post the video here.

I just started the tremolo back in December, and I picked it up pretty quick. The three fingered Tremolo is actually nothing when put against the two fingered variations in Leyenda. They are fucking crazy. Also, I think the tremolo gets pretty difficult when you have to have two completely different voices going like in La Ultima Cancion. What tremolo piece are you working on?

Well if you're aiming to be a professional classical guitarist then you should already have a wide variety of pieces ready to play, and the real practicing you should be doing is perfecting those pieces you have learned, so that when you are asked to play a concert, you're prepared. Also, you have to be prepared to perform alot, and playing classical pieces perfectly live is probably the hardest thing ever; everything can go wrong so easily in a piece when you're nervous.

What kind of pieces do you find difficult? I consider La Catedral to be a monster of a piece, but I definitely don't see it as impossible to tackle. You also don't have to spend every waking hour practicing, just pick out certain measures, and hammer the shit out of them, take a break, and then do it again. Sure, it'll take you a long time to complete the piece doing it that way, but it's probably the most effective method for people who can't sit and focus on one piece for hours.

Funnily enough though, I consider Sweep Picking, and 220 bmp death metal tremolo picking insane, and probably something I will never be able to do; as much as I want to.
 
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What always happens is i'm just sitting there in bed.. and i hear it.. and i'm like i actually like this piece.... this has to be bach. Every single time it is. I can tell his compositions a mile away.

They're really the only (other than a handful) compositions i care to listen to. Something about the intimateness of the music i think. Hell even the concerto i heard the other day (really do not like orchestra music) was pretty good.

But anyways. I don't realize to think about it until i hear the composer name, maybe next time i'll just wait for the whole title.
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To me, the majority of that stuff isn't as complex as a lot of the classical stuff.

I have to agree. Most tremolo picking doesn't need to be extremely precise and sweeping (although this can probably get extremely tough depending on how far you want to take it) is generally nothing but an arpeggiated major or minor chord. Which hell i've been playing sax for 3 weeks now and i can do the same thing on a sax.
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I played an anniversary concert today for the music program I study at, and although I played absolutely horrible, people loved it. I kept getting told to never stop playing (like I was going to just up and quit tomorrow), along with standing ovations and stuff of that sort, twas' pretty cool.

Former Miss Illinois, and Miss America running up was actually there, and I got to sit next to her, and chat about music stuff. She's an amazing pianist, and was the main event of the night. I can't stress how awesome her playing was. I need to find out if she has a CD out.

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Necrophagist, and hundreds of other shred guitarist laugh at my skills on electric guitar, and I cry softly wishing I could play that style of music, it's awesome.

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I have to agree. Most tremolo picking doesn't need to be extremely precise and sweeping (although this can probably get extremely tough depending on how far you want to take it) is generally nothing but an arpeggiated major or minor chord. Which hell i've been playing sax for 3 weeks now and i can do the same thing on a sax.


The reason that stuff probably doesn't seem as difficult to you guys is because you've been doing it for years, and have gotten good at it. I'm an outsider looking in, and when it comes to technical death metal, and alot of other electric guitar techniques that I see shredders pulling off, I'm usually just blown away.

I have been told by classical guitarist over and over again, that electric guitar is nothing compared technique-wise to classical. I tend to disagree, but it doesn't matter.
 
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I have to agree. Most tremolo picking doesn't need to be extremely precise and sweeping (although this can probably get extremely tough depending on how far you want to take it) is generally nothing but an arpeggiated major or minor chord. Which hell i've been playing sax for 3 weeks now and i can do the same thing on a sax.



are you kidding, you have to be extremly precise because if you wanna sound corectly you need to pick the exact amount of notes that are playing, otherwise you will always sound uncompleted. and it will never sound beautiful.
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That's actually pretty sad.

I'd cry hard if I heard a crappy band covering one of my better songs.

I'd cry even harder if some one showed me a video of one of them playing Leyenda.
 
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I was actually pretty surprised when I saw this one. Dave is a pretty good guitarist in his own respect.
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doesnt that guy in sum 41 have a metal band? anyway because a popular band has simplistic riffs doesnt really tell you anything bout their skill level.
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doesnt that guy in sum 41 have a metal band? anyway because a popular band has simplistic riffs doesnt really tell you anything bout their skill level.


Yes, well, it isn't a different band but they call themselves Painful Pleasure when they play those songs. Pretty good stuff.

Figured out what I want to spend my money on when I get a job around the end of April. First, a classical acoustic guitar. Then, hope and pray that the town I live in, or surronding towns will have a teacher. If not I'll probably have to pay even more for someone to travel and teach me.
 
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Figured out what I want to spend my money on when I get a job around the end of April. First, a classical acoustic guitar. Then, hope and pray that the town I live in, or surronding towns will have a teacher. If not I'll probably have to pay even more for someone to travel and teach me.


You're such a tool


On a serious note, that would be pretty cool, but it requires a bit of dedication to get any good at it, so I suggest that if you plan to learn classical to know straight off that you're going to have to work hard.

Atleast 30 minutes a day is required.

Didn't you quit bass guitar?
 
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orly?

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are you kidding, you have to be extremly precise because if you wanna sound corectly you need to pick the exact amount of notes that are playing, otherwise you will always sound uncompleted. and it will never sound beautiful.



Death metal doesn't sound beautiful.

The dynamics of classical guitar playing alone requires 1000x more skill and thought than any metal electric guitar playing does. That alone tells me the difficulty and time necessary to hone those guitar skills.

In other news...

Just got back from my bands first session recording in this studio down the road. Got 6 drum tracks done and 2 bass tracks. (i play bass for this band)
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Aesthetics? People perceive sounds different, opinions exist? I can name quite a few death metal bands that have created beautiful riffs. Maybe not the overall genre but that's arrogant to say death metal doesn't sound beautiful.
 
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Aesthetics? People perceive sounds different, opinions exist? I can name quite a few death metal bands that have created beautiful riffs. Maybe not the overall genre but that's arrogant to say death metal doesn't sound beautiful.



Arrogant? Because I gave my opinion? You must therefore be arrogant for thinking I'm arrogant. People seem to get so ass hurt because somebody gives their opinion and are quick to assume that the said opinionated person believes people can't have opinions. My answer is: respond with a response to the said debate and stop with wild assumed personal remarks. Ass.

Anyways. No in general Death Metal isn't "beautiful" and the style of playing he is referring to has nothing to do with the "beautiful riffs" you (at least i think) are referring to.

My perception of sound and music thats blast beats/ tremolo picking intentionally made to sound brutal/tough/ and so on are completely different. If you assume that "anything can sound beautiful" then nothing is therefore beautiful. Because the word "beautiful" sets it apart from everything else that isn't that word. Death metal (in general) happens to be part of the part that isn't.
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Death metal doesn't sound beautiful.

The dynamics of classical guitar playing alone requires 1000x more skill and thought than any metal electric guitar playing does. That alone tells me the difficulty and time necessary to hone those guitar skills.


Depends on what type death metal we're talking about here, but in general, death metal is not meant to sound beautiful. Even the stuff that comes close to it probably wasn't created with the mind-set of beauty. 220 bpm tempos coupled with chromatics, blast beating drums, and harsh vocals specifically meant to add brutality to the music does not equal beauty.

I have no idea how much more difficult electric guitar is than classical, but I do know, that I've spent a good 9 hours in the past couple days working on some lines from La Catedral, and I don't feel like I'm putting a dent in it. It still sounds like shit, and it's like starting guitar all over. It feels like I'm trying to catch the notes, when I should be playing them fluidly.

Last two pieces I've learned have not been even close to this difficult; and this is just the first page and six or seven measures from the second.
 
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I think if you started from day 0 on guitar, and set out to either learn classical or say...a defeated sanity tune, you would learn classical a bit quicker.
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Depends on what type death metal we're talking about here, but in general, death metal is not meant to sound beautiful. Even the stuff that comes close to it probably wasn't created with the mind-set of beauty. 220 bpm tempos coupled with chromatics, blast beating drums, and harsh vocals specifically meant to add brutality to the music does not equal beauty.


That was exactly my point, thanks for clearing what i was saying up in better, clearer terms.

There is no doubt in my mind that classical (overall) is much more complicated. Especially the bach stuff i've heard. His compositions on piano/organ/harpsicord are ridiculously complex in their own right, now lets transpose that and put it on a guitar which it was never designed to play on. Shits gotta be intense. Its one think to play a piece its another thing to play it well.
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Also, I think the tremolo gets pretty difficult when you have to have two completely different voices going like in La Ultima Cancion. What tremolo piece are you working on?


Funny that you mention that tremolo piece, because that's the one I'm working on right now

And La Cathedral is also Barrios, so I'm guessing you're a bit of a fan? I love his stuff, and if you have only heard those two pieces you should check out David Russell's cd of his stuff.

As far as the career issue, again, I just couldn't find myself doing that. I'm going to be switching from Classical Guitar performance major to Media Composition. I'll still be playing classical, though, because at my college I'm required to continue an instrument.
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TAKE THAT BACK.

I didn't even know 5:16 was fucking possible. I've never seen it done before and I seriously though I had seen it all.

The reason I consider Classical guitar harder than electric is because with classical, instead of having to master four fretting fingers and a pick, you have to master the four fretting fingers and 4-5 picking fingers. Besides that, you have to learn how to use them in perfect synchronization. A master Classical guitarist could pick up and electric piece but not vice versa.
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Hey blitz, wasn't you interested in celtic folk metal? I just discovered a band called Eluveitie that might be right up your alley. They're not Irish though, they're from Switzerland.
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well i dont know if it was ALL of verizon, i meant towards steve and our area, i know it was out for us. steve has nextel like he said anyway
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Old 2008-03-02, 00:35
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Old 2008-03-02, 00:37
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I dunno. Ethan mentioned it was weird that his phone wasn't working. It was searching for a signal and we were in the middle of Knoxville. It was looking for a signal for at least 30 minutes. This was around 12:00 am. But I don't know much about cell phones, don't care for them really. I only use them when I really need to.

But yeah I figured you'd be happy about Infinity being banned. He's a douche.
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Old 2008-03-02, 00:38
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man we have so much snow here its insane, i cant see out of my driveway when i back out
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I think if you started from day 0 on guitar, and set out to either learn classical or say...a defeated sanity tune, you would learn classical a bit quicker.


Well that's true, but I could say if you started from day 0 on guitar, and set out to learn some Allegro tunes by Barrios or some electric guitar tunes, you'd probably pick up the electric guitar faster.

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Funny that you mention that tremolo piece, because that's the one I'm working on right now

And La Cathedral is also Barrios, so I'm guessing you're a bit of a fan? I love his stuff, and if you have only heard those two pieces you should check out David Russell's cd of his stuff.

As far as the career issue, again, I just couldn't find myself doing that. I'm going to be switching from Classical Guitar performance major to Media Composition. I'll still be playing classical, though, because at my college I'm required to continue an instrument.


Lucky guy. I love that piece, and it's probably a hell of alot easier to play than La Catedral. My teacher taught me the tremolo, now all of a sudden I have to start playing crap where the right hand technique is insane, which is why I got handed Leyenda out of he blue. Hopefully my technique increases dramatically in a few months, so stuff doesn't hurt as much.

How long have you been playing classical guitar?

I love his music, and I'm definitely going to look for more of it, and I think David Russell's playing is awesome too. I just managed to find Denis Azabagic's recital compilation on soulseek, and the little I've heard is amazing.

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TAKE THAT BACK.

I didn't even know 5:16 was fucking possible. I've never seen it done before and I seriously though I had seen it all.

The reason I consider Classical guitar harder than electric is because with classical, instead of having to master four fretting fingers and a pick, you have to master the four fretting fingers and 4-5 picking fingers. Besides that, you have to learn how to use them in perfect synchronization. A master Classical guitarist could pick up and electric piece but not vice versa.


Yeah, the Caprices were meant to be mind blowingly technical, and Elliot Fisk was the first guy who transcribed them for guitar, but most of them sound shit on classical guitar.

Check out Tango En Skai if you want some insanity that sounds good.

After about five more years I'll come back and see if I can pick up some Decrepit birth. Using a pick is completely different than using your hands, and playing at the amazing tempos that electric guitarist boast just doesn't seem easy at all.
 
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speed picking/sweep picking= solo. solo= something beautiful that came from your heart, if your heart sounds like uncompleted solos then its not what i call a good musicians.

sorry nothing personnal its just then...i'm a bit extreme with these things
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Hah, I thought you'd like it.


On that note, I just picked up my electric guitar for the first time in a while, and brought up Warp Zone in GP, and realized that since I've been getting into more technical classical playing my left hand technique has improved alot.

If I could get my right hand up to shredding speed, then I'd be one happy camper.
 
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Metronome and hours of repetitive practice.
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Metronome and hours of repetitive practice.

THAT is the most fun practice!!


Not.

Thats what i'm doing with sax right now to get a good foundation.
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hahaha, and that's the biggest turn-off to shredding.
 
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Yeah, been there. A few years ago when I was pretty serious about getting my chops down I'd practice a few hours a day with maybe an hour straight of *BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP FUCK!*
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You got fast with only doing the metronome thing for an hour a day?


That's very reasonable.
 
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Oh, sure. I'd run through the modes in various keys for an hour or more and bump up 2-5 bpm whenever I'd get comfortable with whatever speed I was at. But other practices, like learning solos and stuff, helped too.
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That's very reasonable.

This guy i know who plays like uber black metal. His band apparently was pretty good but eventually they decided rather than playing shows they were just going to practice till they got "really good."

Apparently they spent the next 2 years doing nothing but speed training.

240 bpm shit.

Fuuuuuuuck that.

(just thought about what else he told me)
He said his guitarist had a like practice space that he rented that he eventually started more or less living out of. He would go to work then come home and practice guitar. Apparently he did this for like a year or two and got amazing. According to him thats all he did with his spare time.

No way am i THAAAT dedicated towards improvement.
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240 at 16th notes?

I think the highest I got was around 215ish.

I'd much rather spend all that time focusing on more important musical things like writing, composition, theory, experimenting, etc.
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Heh, I just tried to see if I could still do it. My left hand is fine but my picking is sloppy shit.
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Decrepit Birth have tempos hitting 236 BPM, so yeah.

I could imagine 7 hours a day of nothing but speed training being very beneficial. I actually tried that at one point, but I couldn't stick with it; it was just way too much. Chromatic scales, and bad sounding sweeps can really spoil the instrument for you.

An hour of speed training seems very reasonable though, and I could definitely do that every day, even two hours occasionally. Although classical is much more important at this point, so an hour would have to be the cut-off point most of the times.

Paul Gilbert's technical difficulties definitely seems godly for this type of thing.
 
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Ew, don't practice chromatics. They're totally useless.

Learn all the modes (Aeolian, Phrygian, Ionian, etc) and run through those in their locking order. They're WAY easier to hear over and over and being really fluent in them will seriously help your solo writing.
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I actually don't know much about scales, modes, or most things dealing with theory.

I'm pretty sure I can find some stuff very easily though.
 
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I made that a LOOONG time ago. Its got all the scales and I think some sweeps.
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Oh wow, that is old, and was very helpful when I was practicing electric guitar along time ago.

Thanks. I'm going to put alot of that in GP to make things easier.
 
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Here are some great exercises that you can use with those modes. They'll help your left hand's dexterity and the fingering can get really tricky. Very practical since most solos don't just go in one pattern.

Pattern (using Ionian):

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-------3-----3-5--3-5-7- (repeat starting with 3-5-7 again)
-3-5-7---5-7----7-------

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-------3----------3-5-7- (repeat starting with 3-5-7 again)
-3-5-7--7-5-3-5-7------

I just wrote out the first line for the pattern in the scale. Continue with that pattern through the scale and also play it going backwards. After about 30 minutes of warming up I was able to the second pattern at 215 bpm.
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Thanks alot man.

I'll probably just do an hour of the exercises before or after I work on the classical stuff.

Be a little while before I'm anywhere near 215 bpm though.

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