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2007-09-20, 12:12
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Which is V1 tube in Fireball?
Well, I'm messing around with preamp tubes in my Engl but I don't know which is V1, V2, PI etc. I haven't managed to get as good a sound with it compared to the original tubes. So am I right in thinking that (looking from the front of the amp i.e. through the metal grille.) V1 is farthest left, then V2, V3 and the PI is furthest right?
EDIT: Never mind I cracked it, for those of you with Fireballs the best combination for me was V1: Gold pin Electro Harmonix 12ax7 V2: JJ 12ax7 V3: Mullard 12ax7 and my last JJ went in the PI. Sounds damned  crazy. I must admit the tubes made much less of a difference to sound than I expected, apart from the EH being v.quiet and slightly tighter than the others. Maybe it makes a bigger difference at higher volumes 
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Last edited by gorath23 : 2007-09-20 at 17:43.
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2007-09-20, 21:48
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The V1 will almost always be whatever tube is closest to the input jack.
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2007-09-20, 22:12
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Originally Posted by gorath23
Well, I'm messing around with preamp tubes in my Engl but I don't know which is V1, V2, PI etc. I haven't managed to get as good a sound with it compared to the original tubes. So am I right in thinking that (looking from the front of the amp i.e. through the metal grille.) V1 is farthest left, then V2, V3 and the PI is furthest right?
EDIT: Never mind I cracked it, for those of you with Fireballs the best combination for me was V1: Gold pin Electro Harmonix 12ax7 V2: JJ 12ax7 V3: Mullard 12ax7 and my last JJ went in the PI. Sounds damned crazy. I must admit the tubes made much less of a difference to sound than I expected, apart from the EH being v.quiet and slightly tighter than the others. Maybe it makes a bigger difference at higher volumes |
Yes, tubes hardly make a hearable difference 
That setup doesn't sound crazy to me, you probably like it 
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2007-09-20, 23:04
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Yes, tubes hardly make a hearable difference
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the only time you'll hear a huge difference is when you switch 14 year old pieces of shit for some brand new ones. 
gave me better attack, better tone, LESS NOISE, less microphonics, consistent volume...
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2007-09-22, 09:31
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Originally Posted by Jopop
Yes, tubes hardly make a hearable difference
That setup doesn't sound crazy to me, you probably like it |
haha, no I meant crazy in that it sounds amazing! I'm just glad to have the ENGL back after a less than brutal-sounding two weeks, with only my dads Fender Blues Jnr to play
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2007-09-22, 09:44
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Going from stock engl pre tubes to all JJ's in the pre section did make a noticeable change in EQ for me. Treble is a lot more smooth and bass is boomier, putting one of the old Engl tubes back in it in V1 did give it a tad more clarity and treble. But unfortunately that tube went bad and I had to put the JJ back in. Doesn't sound bad with my current tubes now it's just a little too smooth and not metallic-sounding enough unless I use quite a bit of presence which I'm not a big fan of, but it works.
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2007-09-22, 15:36
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I would have said that the current tubes I have in there sound almost identical to the stock ones (which is good imo) except it just has a 'bigger' sound. Crisp, tight and aggressive. I'd certainly try out something from the Sovtek stable, either the EH or the Tung-sol, as they did sound better and clearer than the JJ or the Mullard in V1. Its all personal opinion in the end though.
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