Best album of the year.

best fashionxcore release of all time!!!

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I dled it but the zip file was fucking passworded, meh.

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The whole album is available for streaming on their myspace. I'm convinced that if everyone gave it a listen (with an open mind, so Tranny obviously is exempt from this), he'd find something he likes.

ROFL!

How I feel about BTBAM is perfectly summed up in the review of Alaska on metalreviews.com:

All of us read magazines or go out to clubs wherein we see women that are dressed scandalously for the purpose of looking appealing to the opposite sex(sometimes both sexes) , right? And I’m sure we can all agree that once in a while we see a woman bearing a rather extreme clothe-to-skin ratio and manages to still look classy doing it, but at the same time, once in a while we see a girl bearing the same ratio but looks like a trashy whore doing it. Opinions on what constitutes a girl that looks sexy or slutty tend to be rather extreme but are never cut and dry - for example a priest may think a woman wearing a tank top is a super-harlot and a man that has been on a severe sexual drought might find a prostitute sexy. Even though what constitutes a trashy looking girl is relative, there is still nevertheless some general consensus of what is and what isn’t with a rational argument to back it up. Now, to tie this in with what I’m getting at is this: Bands, such as Opeth, that try to stretch and create music in the same vein as BtBaM do so in a way that is true to Metal and manages to do so with seamless finesse, while bands like BtBaM try to mimick the style and the resulting product is the equivalent to what I’d call musical floozy-ness – trying to look and sound appealing, but failing because the way you go about it is trashy. By all means, I’m not trying to say that Opeth or Disillusion are sexy and that BtBaM are trashy, what I’m trying to say is that Opeth’n friends stretch the boundaries of metal in a risqué way by using different sounds and genres as TOOLS to expand on text-book metal and evoke more than just aggressive emotion, while BtBaM use the tools as the actual frame of their music, which I believe is quite dirty.


BTW, the first post is nulled if Opeth's new album comes out this year.

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Most uneducated, retarded thing ever said about music. Ever.

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I can't believe how much people care about how a band dresses. If BTBAM were a bunch of 40 year old fat guys with beards, long hair, and dressed like they hadn't bought a new set of clothes in 20 years, you guys would love them.

^ So true.

I've never really liked them, but if I have time, I'll check it out.

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but immolation already put out a new album this year and it sucks!!!


on a less trolly note. "metal" along the lines of BTBAM is completely fashioncore. people in standard death metal dress very plainly. jeans and a t shirt is about as close to the communist gray pantsuit a musician can get. its basically the anti-fashion and has been for the past 20 years.

BTBAM fans on the other hand, are more apt to be very concerned with their appearance, who sees them, whos seeing them at concerts, etc. the whole genre is full of fashion whores and people who want to fit in as desperately. lots of money and effort is spent on the appearnace of these new fashion core bands.

by the way while i can respect the musicianship of btbam and the like (certainly no argument that theyre skilled players) the music still sucks. even worse than BTBAM are bands like psyopsus, DEP and horse the band, which fall under the same fanbase and appearance but try to "push the technical envelope" by being as wanky and random as possible.

and just to rebuke further arguments, there are bands like that in death metal. but i either dont like them (brain drill) or they are much more cohesive and structured (necrophagist, canvas solaris, anomalous)

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going to add some things. i hate cephalic carnage too.

bottom line is, i hate most btbam fans (their forum is one of the biggest cesspools of fashion and idiocy ive ever found). i dont care much about how a BAND dresses one way or the other. thats not a deal breaker. the music sucks, the fans suck, the clothes suck, the scene sucks, the attitude sucks, etc

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Just because a band has fans who care how they dress does not make it fashioncore. Especially since you seem to be contradicting yourself. You obviously care how a band dresses, which personally, I don't think adds up to shit.

There is ultimately one good reason to hate a band, and thats because you don't like their music. You can hate their fans. You can hate their appearance. You can even hate the members because they are assholes. But its none of that is good reason to hate the music they make. You don't like it? Thats fine, I respect that, Trans.

http://www.mtv.com/shared/media/ima...ial/281x211.jpg

Oh yeah, that really looks like a band that is overly concerned with their appearance......................

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/pi...p62264v1ufk.jpg

Yup, nothing out of the ordinary here.

Honestly, i think you might be confusing BTBaM for these faggots: http://www.100xr.com/100_XR/Artists...enfold_2005.jpg

Your point is null and void. Just because a band has a bunch of douchebag fans that are a bunch of fashion freaks does not make the band "fashioncore." As for lumping Psyopus into that category? Pure bullshit. The only people I know who listen to Psyopus dont' dress like that^^^. Most of them are musicians or in bands. Scene kids don't understand Psyopus, trust me. They stare at them and say things like "Why couldn't See You Next Tuesday have a longer set instead of these faggots playing?"

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I love the new album! Excellent stuff!

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Anti fashion is bullshit. It's a way of saying "Oh look how metal I am, I reject your world I don't like colours! I have to let people know I'm into metal because otherwise people will think I'm normal!" Noone cares except other retarded fucking metal heads with their backwards way of rebelling against society.

And to criticise people for wearing something fashionable is evidence of your retard ideas. Some people care about their appearance. People with jobs etc. Because whether you think image is retarded or not, society doesn't. You're a lot less likely to be hired in a retail position for instance sporting a mohawk or girly long hair and wearing the latest Cannibal Corpse tee. There are going to be times when you HAVE to impress people whether you care about impressing people or not, and most people that you try to alienate yourself from are going to have the superimposed image that TV and magazines give them, or will be from a generation before you that frowned down upon being a punk, and with your 'anti' fashion sense, you'll never break the ice with.

Certain pubs and clubs won't let you in without 'formal' dress. Example Golf Clubs, Night Clubs etc.

Funny thing is, I have friends that dress 'metal' and they are like "Oh I hate jocks, and I hate mainstream" and shit. Do you see the irony that the people you hate that you havn't met are going "Man I hate those wierd freaks that alienate themselves from us for no real reason." So while you're stereotyping people into fashion, their stereotyping you for being a fucking wanker 'metalhead'.



And heres more evidence of you doing exactly what I've said, generalising and grouping people without any real contact or understanding of what your talking about.

i see posts on the btbam forum every day. i see btbam fans more than once a day.


i have a job.


i dont wear cannibal corpse shirts.


couldnt give a SHIT about getting into nightclubs or golf clubs or anything hoity toity.


ive found all the friends and people i need in my life being true to who i am as a person, and not changing how i am or how i present myself to the world. thats more an accomplishment than i believe you've achieved at this point, if youre so concerned with getting into clubs and making it with the "right people". i have always done things my own way and it is YET to hold me back from getting what i want.

this is still off topic and getting dangerously into a big gay flame war. so ive said my piece more than a few times. carry on taking myspace pictures and taking surveys (bill) or golfing (infinity) while listening to trendy music.

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Oh, my pride. MY PRIDE. A fat nerdy metalhead from New York thinks I'm trendy because I keep an open mind to music and life in general. Sam, grow the fuck up. Really. You keep telling everyone how being fashionable is bad, and basically throwing down on other people's lives, but the second someone mentions you, "you are who you are and you dont' have to change for anyone." Thats good and all, but take a good hard look at how you view other people.

The new album is good from what I've listened to so far. I don't care what genre anyone lumps this band into, because at the end of the day, the musicianship is amazing. I'm loving the blend of styles and influences.

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I love the new album. Not quite as much as 'Silent Circus' but more than 'Alaska'.

There really isn't any reason to argue about this band guys; as it is very hard to lable them under anything. Many different styles of music but no prevelent one.

I just simply havent liked them because of what was mentioned in the review, I hate the concept of this "ADD metal". It seems like quantity over quality to me, they should spend more time making more cohesive songs and less time seeing how many different styles and different tempos they can fit into said song. This of course dosent make them bad people, im sure they are playing the music because they love to, and more power to them for that. But IMO they have failed to make any memorable or more importantly, original musical statments.

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qft, style withstanding

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ps bill im not fat and im also not rail thin like some people i know

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HAHAHahHAhHA



I would love to agree with this, but combat boots and a shirt with a picture of jesus christ being mutilated is hardly anti-fashion


Sam isn't fat.



And who are you to be calling anyone a faggot, dicksuction?


I have a fucking union job with two pensions, annuity, full health, and a rate pay of $29.47 per hour, time and a half for 9th and 10th hours on any given day, and double time after 10 hours. I wore a Skinless shirt with a hole in it yesterday. I haven't shaved in two weeks, and I haven't cut my hair in months.

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hell yes for making it on in the world on your own terms

ps i stay away from tucking my boots in these days hahaha

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Transient hi jacked this thread!

Good job on pwning those fashioncore kids.

Opps it is spelled fashionxcore.

Thx


My hair is about down to my eyes now, I'm gonna let it grow out again

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mine gets in my mouth when i eat now, its really great

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I get the same and similar problems. Few days ago I was jumping on a trampoline and my hair kept on choking me.

easy solution for that, dont be gay

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How dare you fucking morons judge music for its content rather than the way they dress.

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LOL

Because according to you, I'm gay. Awesome. Guess I missed the memo on that one. Fuck yourself.

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if your myspace wasnt private id have empirical proof

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Umm, I think it was unanimous to be honest.

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Hah, i'm not insecure enough to give a shit what a board full of fucking metal dorks thinks, so go ahead, MTM, think what you want.

And my myspace is private for exactly that reason; So i'm not getting stalked and EXAMINED by you freaks.

You want to continue this, PM me. Otherwise, get fucked. The bullshit has gone on too long, back on topic.

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Sit down BK.

LOL, I cant quite tell if this is sarcasm or if you got it backwards.

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thread of the year

5 stars

While I have no intention of listening to this band, I have no idea how accurate the above is. However, it seems to strike a very good balance between saying something vaguely intelligent while also speaking in a language a normal metalhead might understand. No mean feat.

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I find this funny, because I checked a pic of Between The Buried And Me and ZOMFG!!!! What were they wearing!!! Jeans and t-shirt. They're just as gay as any tr00 metal band.

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It's ironic how all of these anti-appearance metalheads seem more concerned about their anti-hygeinic appearance than anyone. Anyone who mentions the appearance of a band as a foundation for their music obviously cares about how people dress which is a lame way to judge a person. I'm wearing a Burberry polo shirt, plaid shorts, aviator sunglasses, and right now I'm listening to Shelter from the Sand by Akercoke. Who'd'a guessed?

im duly impressed

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transient is a fucking faggot.

I should point out that I dress a little nicer when I am on campus. See, I do this thing called "dressing nice" occassionally, which I remember being a personal decision.

And yeah Kalmah, its all pretty ironic and sad. If being a metalhead means being an opinionated, anti-fashion, anti-anything thats not tr00 cocksucker, then I'm done. I'll enjoy the music, I'll support the band and wear their merch, but I'm not even going to bother conversing with anyone about it, because there are people out there who refuse to accept anyone else's opinion on music.

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ya lol

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Is it shining cocks by any chance? I could use a fresh shine.


Yeah because your seemingly endless collection of Gorguts t shirts has made you fit in more.


And what is this rigarmaroll about "fashionxcore"? Have you seen Paul lately? he looks like a brutal hippy.

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i only have 3 gorguts shirts thanks for noticing though

im trying desperately to get this some somewhat on topic so i can continue this flame war but im forseeing a lock and maybe some suspensions if these shenangians dont carry on under the facade of discussion on topic

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Isn't that Problematic?

Hahah this dude looks gay. Like suck the bumps off a pickle gay.

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lolololol requiem had it right

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I would not call it the best album of the year but it is very well put together stuff. I think I have matured beyond the point where if a band has a couple of breakdowns in a song that's nine minutes long I can get over it and actually most of the time dig it. The guitar work is really quite phenomenal despite what anyone has to say and to the retard who said fashionxcore I would like to see the parallels between a band like btbam and a band like the chariot. I mean I don't hear a prog metal opening into brutal breakdowns followed by death metal into a european folk dance later followed by heavy alternative (prequel to the sequel) in any other bands comparable to them out there today . Please explain yourself.

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This is kinda the argument that some people use against the band, the genre whoring. Some people totally dig it and thats awesome. But to me they just dont sound that unique, I just dont dig the patchwork song structure. Im not saying they suck at all, they are incredible musicians with some serious chops. I just think the song should come first, not "how many genres can we squeeze into one".

I think they are a cool band, I just think there is much better put together music out there.

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i guess bands like this fall into a category that i call progressive perceptions, where some people may view progressive songwriting as a really thrown together bunch of rifffs, and some people view it as writing the song where the band thinks it needs to go. Im a big fan of both whether it is a genre festival (btbam) or more along the lines of an extremely musical song (opeth)

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No offense, but that's is just crazy comparing Opeth to BTBAM. Sure, both of them make long progressive songs, but BTBAM's metalcore influence and sound just negates the Opeth-comparison. Granted, you hear songs like "Selkies: The Endless Obsession" from BTBAM and you can't help but think, "Wow, these guys are like Opeth." But then you hear "Croakies and Boatshoes" or "Autodidacts" and they have a completely different sound from Opeth. Hell, I would go so far as say their sound differs from alot of metalcore bands out there.

Hey, I'll go one farther; One of a kind, BTBAM are. Am looking forward to getting the album.

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Of course, the only similarities between the two aside from some riffs that BTBAM "borrows" is the approach. Stretching the envelope of metal, thats all.

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if you are going to say that btbam borrowed opeth's approach you could just as easily say that opeth borrowed their approach from death, martyr, atheist, cynic, dream theater, and any other bands that have expanded the borders of metal.

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If anything, BTBAM only "borrowed" their progressive style, mixed in with their metalcore (moreso Mathcore, if it's relevant) style. Their riffs sound nothing alike.

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I should have been more specific, I just heard some specific strumming patterns that BTBAM has used but thats just splitting hairs.

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I don't see the problem that people have with this band. To me they sound like a more technical Red Chord incorporating clean parts similar to that found on Calculating Infinity and 300% Density.

It's also unfair to beat them with the "genre-whoring" stick when Cephalic Carnage are far more prolific in delving into other genres and are extolled widely on these boards. What's good for the goose and all. Surely, BTBAM can't be treated differently purely on the way they look? And you lot are supposed to be fans of music were "image doesn't matter"...

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I totally get what you're saying, to me it just feels like they use stereotypes from all the genres instead of be original. IMHO of course.

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