Let me first say that Onset is a VERY hard album to follow and to best........but man I expected alot more. Sure they venture out on the "groove" death (Rolling double, dun dun dun riffs) trip on the song "The Stillborn One" reminesent of Morbid Angel.......but that was about the only thing that made these CD's different. They also cut back on the hokey "bluesy" riffs that they would throw in as a transfer before a chorus or a solo......Any of you guys feel the same?

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I can't really say it was a let down for me considering I heard it first, but yeah, Onset is lightyears better.

Indeed, I enjoy Onset more than I do Epitaph.

no.

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yeah, i thought Epitaph was weaker, i dont know. i mean ive heard Onset and Epitaph and Onset grew more on me than Epitaph had.

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Epitaph was a bit of a letdown considering the album that came before it.

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Yep, I don't think anything can beat Onset.

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Yeah thats true....No one ever said that Epitaph sucks though. But band regression sucks.

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regression? epitaph has much more developed counterpoint and harmony than onset

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Yes regression. Define your arguement. To be honest when I hear Onset I hear way more harmony than on Epitaph. Having had Onset for a few years before I even knew they had Epitaph when I listen to it, it sounds like they are just trying to "whore" ideas from the latter. Not really coming up with anything original to define it and set it apart from the rest. I guess I find ALOT more originality with Onset than Epitaph. Now not in every aspect, such as the bass. I was very happy to hear alot more of the bass on Epitaph but even some of the riffs are reminesent of onset. So in my eyes, yes, regression

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No way. Epitaph > Onset.

do you understand the difference between harmony and melody

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I actually prefer Epitaph to Onset Of Putrefication.

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Onset > Epitaph. There was no real progression between the two imo, maybe they'll do something more interesting in the future.

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Epitaph > Onset. Far more developed and mature, and the arrangements are far better. Had far more direction and focus.

I guess a lot of people, especially nowadays, will prefer the superior brutality of Onset, but I don't think it is Muhammed's prior objective in music to make it as shittingly heavy as possible.

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Epitaph is more developed musically, but Onset is more brtual. Mutilate The Stillborn!!!!!!

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+1
you feel more the work of the other musicians on Epitaph than Onset, you need to know that melody are more in the low strings than in little strings (which seen on Onset)

there are more feelings in Epitaph than Onset....BUT songs are better to hear on Onset (Only ash and stabwounds are the best on Epitaph tho..)

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I like this argument.

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I certainly didn't find it a let down. I would say Epitaph is more musically developed, but I can't really choose which is the better album. My favourite songs are fermented offal discharge and symbiotic theory.

Edit: I just looked on their website to see if there was any new material in the pipeline and noticed that they are selling a tab book of Epitaph. I'm tempted to treat myself, it might remotivate me to play.

I agree with this.

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Do it! I got it! There are actually some things in that book I'm quite sure you wouldn't have previously thought possible!

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Quoted for truthiness. It's a much more mature, well-rounded album. Onset connects with me more, but I think Epitaph is a better overall album.

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yeah i can agree with that. epitaph seems far more superior musically, but Onset just hooked me from the very beginning

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i have Onset, but i have only heard 2 songs from Epitaph. (symbiotic in theory and stabwound). i prefer those two, to any on Onset... minus advanced corpse tumor (for the solo)

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I like two songs from Epitaph (Seven and Only Ash Remains [i think thats the name])

N00b!!

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hah, that would be considerable, if i was more of a fan. i didnt buy onset, my friend gave it to me. he and his brother didnt like it. i like necro, but i dont listen very much. r@r3ly |IS+3/\/z +3k d3+|-|z

exactly.

onset is much more of your standard "death metal" with a few exceptions (fermented offal, and extreme unction)

but epitaph was much more technical.

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Not true!

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onset is 23344756 random and non-sensed notes with blast beat and tech bass licks.....but amazing to hear....

like i said, epitaph more feelings....onset better for hear

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Haha. No boy, why dont you come and lick it to me? I'll agree that the melody in epitaph far surpasses the expectations left with onset as well as the previous statement that the harmony in the aspect of hearing ALL the instruments is much more developed, but the abilty to write an aurally palatable song was obviously lost when they ventured out to include the two. It wasnt even a venture, its people failing when their musical skills and the ability to play together are improved but their ideas and originality havent.

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that solo makes me want to make love

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Go head, but go easy on yourself.

EDIT* Dont feel so all alone.......Prostitute Disfigurement's - On Her Guts I Cum has the same placebo effect on me. Everybody must get stoned!

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Thank god i'm not the only one who thinks that.

I honestly can't say one album is better than the other. I like them both, and it sorta just depends on my mood as to which album I listen to. Usually its Onset though.

And Time, thank you for pointing out "Advanced Corpse Tumor"'s solo so I didn't have to. Thats probably one of my favorite solos ever.

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LOL you really dont know the difference

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