How many notes in a second?
What things effect.
Strings?
Guitar?
Teknique?

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10nps

technique would be the main factor, but of course also if you are using the guitar you're used to, it will be much easier to reach high speeds.

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^^^^^^^^^
bullshit. 10 per/sec. my ass!

I don't know how fast I am, but its probably pretty fast, I think hehe.

anyways, 10 notes per second is pretty fast.

12Nps if i try, i can do more on a say


-1-2-3-4-5
Tap

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yeah string tension, action, neck size, and technique will affect your speed

i can do 14 nps

how did you guys measure this? i did this a long time ago, what i did was record myself tremelo picking for like a few seconds, cut the wave down to a second, and then counting the notes.

and besides, who cares?

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The kounting is easy if yoy have a metronome or a drum machine.
When the metronome beats 2 times per secons and you play 16st notes(4per metronome beat) thats 8nps

Ican play 8-12nps its
I thinkn the main thing is the difficulty of the riff

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is that important???

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Actually, i put thgis to the test a few mins ago, And i can say i managed 15 Just a second ago

If you mean like

G|---------------------1-2-3
D|---------------123
A|-------1-2-3
E|1-2-3


And hit every note, then yes thats no problem, i can reel 15 easily, Maybe 18
But if you mean like



D|----66666666666666666666666666666666666666



Then i can pull 12

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If I don't warmup before I try it I can get about 14-16 in a tremelo.. But I can't hold it for very long my hand hurts like hell after a few seconds.. But if I warm up I can hold 12 for quite a long time and that seems to be about the fastest I can go warmed up.. And that's only on one string. I can't cross string for shit or sweep..

I use the 3 note per string version of the G major iolian to test my speed, and I can comfortably reach 12 notes per second using legato technique (can reach higher but technique gets ropey) and 8 notes per second picking through the scale (although i can reach 10, i can't sustain it very long). If anyone is interested, I have been playing about a year, to give a figure of how long it has taken me to reach this speed. However, i only started using a metronome a couple of weeks ago and it has sped me up from 4 notes per second to 8 in only that amount of time, so really a metronome is more than highly recommended!

Now if only i was good enough to incorporate that speed into a decent solo!

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I can get 19-20 going backwards, but about 16-17 going up.

20 n per sec, now you can say: my ass.

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how can you measure this accurately? because i can play pretty fast but i didn't think it was like 12 notes or 15 notes, ........or 20 notes! (<- my ass 20 notes).

Set the metrinone to 120. 2 beats =1 second.Play 4 notes per sting.1 string=4 notes, 2=8, 3=12, 4=16, 5=20. Were you stop at the end of the second beat is how many. which finger is the last note if you don't end on the last one. The world record is 1,440 in a minuet-24 per second. I've benn playing for 19 years & can fit in some quik burst.

dude, put a clip on the forums of u playing...just do a lick that has 20nps (thats the only way people might belive u)

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How do I put it on. My computer won't burn disk. I can tape my guitar. I'll get my mothers boyfriend to load it up this weekend.

I can do18 alternate picking, around the same sweeping, tremlo picking or unsynchronised death metalish picking I could do a fir bit more.

The record for picking is well over 24 marco paus can do above 30.

When judging your max speed you have to have 1 pickstroke per note no trem picking

I got it on tape. I only get 19. The 20th keeps landing on the next beat. Who is marco paus?

set it to 60bpm, so its 1 beat per second.
then how about using this as a guidline. its 4 notes per string aswell:

e--5-6-7-8------------------------------------------------------
b-------------5-6-7-8-------------------------------------------
g-----------------------5-6-7-8---------------------------------
d---------------------------------5-6-7-8-----------------------
a-------------------------------------------5-6-7-8-------------
E------------------------------------------------------5-6-7-8--

i can pull 15nps for that. but i'm not sure how clear the notes ring.

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http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/27/mrcucumber.html

I couldn't find were to download on the site. Were is it at on there?

just click where it says lo-fi play and itll play in yer default player, it takes a min or so to load.

Is that him?

yeah the quality is shit but the leads are incredible.

I WON'T SAY HOW FAST EXACTLY, BUT PRETTY FAST, (DITTOHEAD BY SLAYER-EASY SONG)

MAYBE 13 NPS,
Though I play technically demanding songs,
(Hard to play songs)
If you wanna acheive great speed, heres some advice:
-Practice-practice-practice

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Like what ?

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is that you on all the songs? Those are some wierd songs but some really killer guitar riffs you got there. Espically in mrcucumbers nightmare, you break out into the simpsons riff i was like "what the fuck?" Whats up with the song titles, nice riffs tho, really sweet.

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HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!!!!! HOW DOES HE FUCKING SWEEP LIKE THAT?!?!?! (in that Mr. Cucumber's Nightmare song)

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i think i just reach 9 or so. maybe near 12.

but on the other hand, i never play fast with tha band.


those ppl who said over 20 notes, i don't think it's possible to get that!
within 1 sec.

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i can play 16ths at 230 bpm, but thats with simple trem' picked riffage

i can do chromatic runs comfortably at 16ths at 200

all depends on the riffs etc

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I dont care how much fast i play (well i do care a little) but you're not a good guitar player if you pick 100 notes per seconds, you'll be a good "picker"
I never calculated how notes per second I play, but I can tremolo in a decent speed

TESTIFY!!

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yes it is, most sweep picking licks run near that speed

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4/4 timing? or is secretly 32/32?

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but still it's a lot in one second,

lemme hear your stuff then, cuz i don't believe you.

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its in 4/4 along side a metronome, forgotten the make, its black with a lightnin thing on it

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Basically isn't that 800 bpm? and if it is you can play a chromatic run faster than a goregrind band plays a blast of just noise?

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yeah 200bpm at 16ths is 800

its basically playing 1-2-3-4 on every downbeat on the metronome, it really doesnt sound anything spectacular though

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damn.. I need to learn how to sweep.. and badly..

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i cant sweep

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I would really wanna see you do that.

Hey I can bang on my guitar at 1000bpm and get creepy squealing sounds...

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that's probably your guitar dying

NO! It likes it.. It told me

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sure ill get my mic working then if you have msn ill show you the excercises i base it on

its 4 notes per every beep at 230 like this:

e-2-0-0-0--3-0-0-0--5-0-0-0--7-0-0-0--8-0-0-0--10-0-0-0--12-0-0-0 etc (in eminor)

its hardly an un realistic speed though, im not tryin to be big headed

if you have a metronome, go set it to that speed now and imagine it.. its really not that fast is it? considering master of puppest last oneis 16th at 220...

morons as if you slay me on something ive wrote as a response

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yeah cool man, record it, but that's like 800 bpm , right?

man that would sound like one wall of blurry guitar sound

yup, though 800 sounds a lot faster than it sounds, as youll see when i record it for you

i think malmsteens speed is around 1400

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basically defiler plays at 13-13.5 notes per second (13.33333333..... to be exact) on chromatic runs, which is pretty fast but not impossible.

Me, I am playing 16ths at 120 bpm, which is considerably slower!

i think jason becker played serrana (sweeping piece that sounds pretty damn fast) at 140 bpm, at 6 notes per beat, which is 14 notes per second. But then, maybe other guys can play faster than that. I myself can sweep at 100bpm

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I dont know how fast I can play, but Ill tel lyou later when i figure it out.

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same here

8 notes per secont, excluding tremolo, leghato (pull, hammer, slide) and sweep. The last thing is very difficult to me, usually it does our lead-guitarist Ogneyar (he only 15 years old, but he playing like Laiho now!)

heh...not very.
But am satisfied with my sound.

I play kinda fast in my opinion like....maybe 9-10 nps i don't really know.
BTW how did this 3 year old thread get revived?

Fast is great ,But whatever happened to taste , Thats why IMHO I rather listen to old foggeys like Frank Marino , or leslie west (I know who )
I was into the shrapnel thing in the 80s , one of my friends who is a monster player studied with greg howe , but alot of really fast guys forgot how to play tasty and with feel , even Zakk who I love hes my idol is starting to do his solos fast as a fuck without feel.
theres a time and place for everything , Heres something you young uns will find funny Alvin lee of ten years after was at one time considered the fastest guitarist in rock, I know of you dudes never heard of him but do your self a favor check him out , But as fast as he was he could flat out make the guitar cry.

alvin lee rocks. my parents tell me i saw ten years after live when i was about 7 years old, but i dont remember it.

i recon i can play pretty fast, but dont know haow to measure it.

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there are still players which didnt get caught by the " as fast as you can go no matter what it costs" hype. very good to know

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How does one go about playing 8 notes per second without tremolo picking or hammering?

tapping, duh

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Shit,

I'm fuckin slow. I can sweep though. My alternate pick is somewhat fast, but nothing of professional status. I'm still working on my picking styles and whatnot, plus it's all about the notes you don't hit.

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Its not all about speed , and speed will come with experience and practice , Use a metronome , But some of the best guitar players were not speed demons , leslie West for example and David Gilmour , say more with one note than half these schmucks say flying all over the place. Dont get me wrong its good to be fast you can always slow down but speed alone dont make you a great player , its how you get the guitar to sing , phrasing is just as important than just doing shit at mach 10 , Practice and you will get faster but remember it should come with feeling.
peace

If I really push myself I can play 16th note triplets at about 210 bpm. That's pushing myself. Other than that I would say my normal speed is about 16th notes at 240 bpm. That's alternate picking. With sweep picking i can do it fast but it's not as clean as i want it to be so I'm basically relearning sweep picking in order to correct the mistakes I made when originally learning it.

alright an iggnorant noob has got a stupid question, what do you mean when you say sweep picking?

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arpeggios in a linear pattern on the fretboard thats done in a sweeping motion up the and down the fretboard with ur pick. for example
usually u only see 3-5 string sweeps in songs
G min. sweep
---------------6h10p6---------------
-------------8---------8------------
-----------7-------------7----------
-------5h8----------------8p5----------
-----5------------------------5------
-3h6----------------------------6p3~----

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i dont really know how the fuck u would measure this........ but i can probably play as fast as most rusy cooley stuff..... and thats pretty fuckin fast kids. haha

I dont know if this means anything, but i don't work on my speed much anymore, i sorta just write and learn now. But there hasn't been anything that i haven't been able to play in the speed category and i have made different stuff up to push my abilities which seem to be pretty hard and fast. So i dont know, i dont waste my time with speed much anymore with the knowledge that i can just work myself up to any speed that i want to. So its never really a barrier, but you will never see me sitting down and straight up shred practicing like probably rusty cooley does.

But thats just me, this thread is probably full of bullshit at the same time. This thread should be 'post your fastest playing'. Anybody can say they are fast, thats the easy part. Actually doing it, and even harder, recording it. So, we should make a thread like that.

ok then... start one. id be happy to prove myself

Alright, thats fine, i wasnt really nessesarily talking about you, i just meant, i am sure there are some people. Thats all. But ok, ill start one, and just like, i dont know, find a way to make a recording. And when i do, then ill make the thread. I just think that would be alot cooler than a bunch of people talking. But if you already have a recording, you should just start the thread, it doesnt really matter. Whatever.

Are you an idiot? I think you are an idiot, but I'm wondering if you know it too.

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Umm yeah, ^ perfect example of talk. There is no way he can play that fast, or he would be the fastest guitarist on the planet i believe. Alternate picking 16ths at 240 bpm? Give me a break. Rusty Cooley, Joe Stump, and any other speed freak can't even touch that.

This is why i dont like this thread that much, we need to make that recording thread soon. Ill try my best to get a recording together and others should do the same. And im sure its going to turn into a contest, but i think it should be more of a personal fun thing. Whatever.

Rusty Cooley, Yngwie Malmsteen, and others touch sixteenth notes upwards of 240 bpm all the time. Even in Slayer, both King and Hanneman push roughly 220 bpm in their solos. Get a metronome and check what you're hearing when you hear Rusty play, and even better download some powertabs/guitar pro tabs and take a look at those. In metal nowadays its not uncommon to hit those speeds.

Probably the grossest statement to this context was a guitar magazine claiming Steve Morse was the 10th fastest picker in the world, at 210 bpm ... and someone on this forum actually toted it as fact. Quite sad ...

I am sorry man, i just completely disagree. The fastest i have ever seen was 220 alternate picking. Legato can go up to 240, but thats like only if you do chromatic 1234 all the way up. I am telling you, it doesnt go much over, or near 220, and thats picking very intensly. And i know for a fact malmsteen has never gone over 220 picking, in any of his songs.

If anyone out there can show me one example, then i will believe. But you guys need to just get a metronome out and try it, im telling you, even though they are pros, they dont hit it up that high. So somebody give me one example of "alternate picking" (not sweeping or legato) past, say 130, and since those guys apparently do it 'all the time' it shouldnt be hard to give me an example.

8th note triplets at 250 bpm.

I can do tremolo 16ths at 216bpm cold. After warming up, I can do it faster, but my metronome does pass 216bpm. However, different notes for every alternate pick, no, I can't do that past about 130bpm...clean that is....

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who gives a flying fuck about whos faster.
music is about who can play smoother, better, get their idea out.
writing music is harder than just playing scales fast, cuz u have to think.
besides the fastest/best guitarist i've heard out there is steve vai.
when becker was around he was the best guitarist.
nitro was shit as well micheal angelo's writing abillity.

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I seriously, dont think not even once, i have ever agreed with a quote, quite as much as this one. Your so young, and you have like the best understanding of music that we talk about here. Steve Vai is my favorite guitarist too, and completely agree with the comments on speed.

I solute you.

A couple of years ago, all I did was focus on speed. I'd practice 8+ hours a day, using a metronome, slowly building up to a decent speed.

I can easily play the stuff in the powertab file but as you can see it's all pretty bland. It's good for showing off but not a lot more than that.

I do agree that writing great music, is far better than totally focusing on speed i.e. Francesco Farreri. I hardly ever use shred in my songs, unless it's Mohammed Suicmez style and I put effort into making it sound good.

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why was this thread revived from 3 years ago

at least someone used the search function for ones instead of making a new thread about this topic....

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Listen to "Severed Savior", by Severed Savior. What's that in the 17th measure? Trem picking sixteenths at 230 bpm, which continue for much of the song.

I believe the intro to "Dittohead" is also at 230 ... 228 more like it, I think.

Take a look at the picking in "Blowtorch Slaughter", by Cannibal Corpse. 32nd notes at 134 bpm ... which is a great, great deal faster than 16th notes at 200 bpm.

And in those bands and several others like them, those speeds are breached on a regular basis.

Yeah. It's seems like you're fucked either way when wanting to discuss a previous topic. People complain that either you have bothered to search or you've started up a dead thread.

I guess everyone wants something to bitch about.

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bitching = cool + you get respect because you are so fucking bad.....

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dont go gay on me soldier. its not allowed in the army

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Dude you hit the nail on the head , without feeling it dont mean shit ,first the only ones who can appreciate a guitar player going a zillion MPH or KMH depending on where you live is another guitar player .I saw Yngwie and George Lynch live not to long ago , I love both ,And obviously both are bad ass players but Lynch sounded better , why because he slowed down enough for people to feel his playing , Now yngwie who is great , sped thru all his solos at mach speed , technically brilliant but so what . AND I LOVE YNGWIE , But in that situation Lynch sounded so much better ,Im sure Yngwie is the better player.
Point you need to balance speed with taste .
You guys like Gus G. I think he got great chops

to me playing fast is more of a party trick, or somthing u only do live to impress people. but i dont really like to do it in my music. only if the mood is right

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Lol, i was really only kidding. In my posts u will see me say some lame sayings, but really im only kidding. And right now i am checking out those songs the guy above stated. i still dont believe it, give me till tonight to find em.

i know i was just messing around

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Yeah, i couldnt find any of the songs you said except Blowtorch Slaughter. Dude, i seriously don't know where you got the idea that that song is even close to something like 230 bpm. Maybe around the a little past 210, but thats tremolo picking. I am sorry, but there isn't anyone out there that can alternate pick a run faster than 220, and if they can, its probably like, 222.

And also, who is telling you these numbers like 230, and stuff? Like how are you figuring it out? I tryed looking for a powertab, but there isnt any of any of them. And besides, why would you think those bands you named be faster than people like Rusty Cooley, who make their entire livings on being fast? If that many people did stuff that fast, Rusty, Fereri, and whatever else would be ruined by now. They arent, cause they really are the fastest guitarists out there, and even they would tell you that their alternate picking runs cant exceed 220 by that much. Especially something like 230.

And not only that, The great kat WAS in the guiness book of world records (not sure if she still is) for some version of flight of the bumblebee. I am telling you, it wasnt anything past 220.

AND if you have ever seen the rock discipline video of John Petrucci, he cant even do that chromatic run of his at 216, and hes definately one of the fastest in the world. And chromatic runs are obviously the fastest kind of runs you can do alternate picking.

isnt she that vampire violinist?
that chicks a freak

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yeah dude, and shes the cockiest person i have ever seen. you should try and find one of her interviews and her cd's are like 15 minutes long and sound like shit. Shes just like super fast and a girl, which is the only reason why she got like two seconds of notice.

Your thinking of Jennifer Batten who did Flight of the Bumble-Bee that was all 8-finger tapping. The Great Kat is known for her various covers of Vivaldi, Wagner, Paganini, Bach, and Beethoven. I don't ever recall her playing anything from Rimsky-Korsakov. Though she is very talented because she's a virtuoso on the violin and guitar.

theres a big difference between petrucci only being able to do a complicated scale run at 216 and a band like severed savior or cannibal corpse playing pretty simple riffs, real fast

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Do not put words in my mouth! I never said that Cannibal Corpse and the like were faster than Rusty.

Yeah, I've seen Rock Discipline, I used to own it! I also had the official tab book for "Scenes From A Memory", and some of the faster solos had 32nd notes at 130 bpm.

Look at Mysongbook's tab of Blowtorch, its damn accurate. I just gave you that because its a reference. Listen to the drums on that song, its really 268. Listen to some Origin, Decrepit Birth, or Cryptopsy. Its indisputable.

And you could'nt find the song "Dittohead" by Slayer? Slayer pushes over 230 ALL THE TIME. Kerry even talks about it in interviews.

Even the song "Labyrinth" in my link is 240. If you disagree you are stupid, for I programmed the drums and I know exactly what it is.

I just recorded a track that runs at 250 bpm, just to show. Trying to host it now, but if someone wants to just PM me for it I can send it to you.

Severed Savior simple? I take it you still need forced to bleed from me?

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With variable stroking

how about we rename this thread "who can be a more arrogant asshole."

I can play really fast riffs. I can't solo for shit. And I have never been a big enough whore to test myself against a metronome. Sorry, but theres my opinion. I'm cut out to be a rhythm master, and thats all.

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im nt sure how fast in nps but i can keep up with every Slayer song i know... and sometimes faster

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Word.

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I'm a whore. I keep little diaries of the top bpm I can handle down to the last few decimels ( my metronome is that precise ).

Yes, I'm a whore.