Phantasmagoria held their last live today. Phantasmagoria's bassist/leader Kisaki is retiring from music due to the problems with the tax evasion thingy and they can't continue without him.

My favorite song by them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XhpCEiMUUc

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Good, that band sucks ass.

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Phantasmawho?

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They are definitely one of the best j-rock/ visual kei or whatever you want to call them.

Another good band down the drain.

had some of the hottest bishounen dudes i ever saw

You're favorite bands are gay.

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So you're saying Death, Napalm Death, Destruction, Dying Fetus, Severed Savior, and Necrophagist are gay?

Compared to what? This?

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/27...704af57dyj2.jpg


Wow yeah, pioneers of metal are gay compared to this amazing anime-metal/j-rock band!! woo!

You have fun with your goth rock.

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Well, I think metal is a bit closet gay.. you know, long haired guys in leather pants?

And you do know where all that spikes and leather comes from, I hope? :P

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OK, now my entire knowledge of this band consists of that picture.

Someone please give me two reasons (minimum) why I should care about this apparent abortion of a band.

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^ No one is telling you to care about them.



"Anime-metal"? Are you a fucking idiot? What the fuck is anime-metal? (please, don't even answer. it makes you look even more stupid)

Ugh.

1. I had no idea what kind of bands you like.

2. I was just trying to piss you off.

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I was gonna say it, but you did it for me.

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Say what? That was a REALLY poor attempt of making me look stupid. Your pwning skills fail.

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Oldman, just face the fact that this band is gay, it's ok.

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^ I know. Most Visual Kei bands look really gay. But no one said they're gay in the first place.

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Coming from the kid who said my choice of music was "gay" when you didn't even know what I listened to.

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Oh boohoo. Like I said, I was just trying to piss you off. It seems I succeeded.

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Now now boys, put your cocks away.

No. You're an ignorant piece of shit, thats what pisses me off.

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And how am I ignorant? For not giving a shit about Death Metal? Well guess what, people like different things. Yes, I've heard plenty of Death Metal bands. Not my thing. I'm not going to threads about Death Metal saying Death Metal sucks ass. You're the ignorant one.

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No, you're ignorant for saying my favorite bands are gay and you didn't know shit about what I listened to. I don't care if you were just trying to piss me of, that still makes you a retard.

Phantasmagoria make metal look like faggy 80's shit all over again, and in return metal becomes full of faggy kids who make metal look fuckin retarded.. thats why I speak up against bands like this. It ruins the true meaning of metal so kids can dress up like fairy tales.

Of course you don't bash death metal out, you have no basis to do so(same with anyone who considers themselves a metalhead/fan).

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Death metal sucks.

Besides the fact that its the most progressed type of music out there.

Coming from someone who I doubt even listens to good death metal, let alone knows what it takes to write a good death metal song.

Shut up.

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this thread is awesome
so is atomicwaste
THRASH!!

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death metal > this thread.

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http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/...pg?t=1188816864

No basis to bash death metal? Pfft.

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Yeah. Cause you already proved you listen to the shittiest of the shittiest therefore can't even hold anything against something like death metal.

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What is that? A MELODY???!!? You're not supposed to make melodies with your instrument!!! THAT'S GAY!!!!!!!1111

Sure all the death metal bands have talent. Too bad they're wasting it.

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How is making the most technical type of metal a waste of talent?

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Death metal does suck, the guitarists have skill but that skill is wasted into something that ends up sounding generic and shit the growling on most death metal ruins it and the lyrical content is mostly garbage shall we continue?

I've listened to A LOT of deaht metal bands. Name one, and I promise you that I've heard of them. Actually I do listen to quite a few death metal bands but I hate DM fanboys.

just leave.
no one wants you here mkay? just leave

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Use the ignore function JOAM unless that's not within your capability solving both our problems, or if you can't handle other peoples opinions i suggest not using forums as many people use their opinions without care of people like you.

done

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You know, you ramble on about technicality, then you say one of the most technical genre in metal sucks.


As far as I'm concerned, anyone who likes metal and says death metal sucks, either hates growls, or hasn't found any good death metal.

And as far as this band goes, maybe I didn't listen to them right, but it sounded like Japanese noisecore, or some shit like that when I tried listening to the video. So far the only Japanese band that I really enjoy, is Kagerou, and I only have one album from them, and they do tend to push out noise-crap too. Atleast on some other albums I've heard.

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I listened to more of it, the first part where they were screaming shit, threw me off. I still don't like it though, this song anyway.

Oh so music with obvious melody is the only type worth listening to? Oh, I'm sorry you can't sing along to my music, I must not have any talent if I don't want to write straight forward music that an average joe will like.

Someone has some serious opening up to do.



Yeah because skill and originality can't go hand in hand right? Fair enough that non-catchy music and harsh vocals are not in your taste, but at least show some respect for the bands that bust their ass making music with depth. "Generic" is not an acceptable adjective when the only real innovation that has come from metal as a whole in the past 15 years is in fact a wealth of death metal bands. Not your typical CC shit mind you.

I'm sure all the deathcore/metalcore you like is innovative and has awesome lyrics right?

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Technicality doesn't equal sounding good.


estringrev: Hell yeah. Kagerou is my all time favorite band. If you don't like their noisyish stuff I'd suggest to listen to their last two albums. (Kurohata, Guroushoku) Kagerou has some really amazing swing jazz ballads. (or whatever they're called)

Btw, I do like growls. Death is the only death metal band I can stand, because you can actually hear something besides the vocals and drums. Vocals and drums are the reason I hate brutal death metal. The vocals are horrible. So are the lyrics. Not to mention those drums. You can make a song hard and fast without making it a fucking ear rape. They're wasting good riffs with those so called vocals and drums. Blast beat at 250bpm is the worst idea EVER. Though this is just my opinion. You can disagree if you wan't, I don't care.

Also, you might like some other Phantasmagoria songs, because they did almost everything from like the song I posted, to slow piano ballads.

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that wasn't his point.
the point was that it was hard to play

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My point was that it doesn't sound good.

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The point of those vocals and drums are to raise the bar of what could be done musically and as humans, who knew that someone could ever literally lower their voice and sound like satan, and who knew drummers would ever be able to play 250+ bpm.
Death metal is one of the greatest forms of music out there, because its by metalheads for metalheads and when you put on a Dying Fetus record or an Origin record and you really listen deeply to whats going on musically and vocally, it'll eventually hit you.

Fuck Phantasmagoria, I've known about them way long before I posted in this thread.

From beginning to end its so fuckin stupid and trendy. If I am listening to metal I don't wanna hear shit about rainy days and love letters while listening to music made by people who try to look like anime characters. Thats not metal, its faggy bullshit.. much like glam rock. If a metal band doesn't have any balls or aggression 2 it and you can almost cry over the lyrics.. I just see no point to its existence. Atleast death metal bands are raising the bar.. whats Phantasmagoria doing? Nothing special at all, you can't even nod your head to them.. let along headbang or mosh to it.

Worthless,

Slow piano ballads? In metal? No thanks.

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^ Death metal is just a big fucking mess. Far from the greatest form of music.

I'm pretty sure this is the first time you ever heard of Phantasmagoria. You have no idea what they're singing about. But honestly I'd rather listen to songs about love letters than some gay guys raping each other with chainsaws and moaning Jesus while choking in their own vomit. That's pretty much what all the brutal death metal bands sing about. Which is fucking gay.

Phantasmagoria has achived much more than any of you precious death metal bands together. (well, not as much as Death, but all the others, yes)

Metal is not about being aggressive. Only complete retards think like that.

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In your opinion because your too ignorant to understand it.

Well then.. you're fuckin gay. Love letters and piano ballads don't belong in metal, fuckin make your own genre if you're gonna sing about that shit, keep it out of heavy metal.

Dude, you're fuckin retarded, you're just assuming thats the only subject death metal bands talk about? Have you even read any Dying Fetus or Origin lyrics? Hell of a lot more meaningful/talented writing than fuckin Phantasmagoria.

What has that band achieved? Being fuckin scene whores with no point other than gay visual imagery? Their music is fuckin weak and boring and has done nothing new or progressive or anything relevant to any kind of importance or something original. Who cares if they had good record deals or were big in the music scene.. big deal.. Green Day has the samething and they suck more than 99% of other bands. Death metal bands achieved a new style of music, a new way to play music, and a new speed of music. They've added to the progression of music and defined how fast humans could play music, thats hell of alot better than anything Phantfagria achieved.

Seriously, don't say shit about any genre of metal if you listen to this band.

Since the forming of metal its been a way to get anger and aggression out.

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Yeah the jazz and swing ballads are the reason I listen to Kagerou, and I'll check out those two albums.

Also, have you tried listening to melodic death metal?

Some of you guys in this thread seem to listen to a few bands in a genre, then decide that it is the worst, or best ever, which is fair I guess, but only to a certain extent. For instance, I hated Cannibal Corpse, and dislike Morbid Angel, and despise Exhumed, and they were some of the first death metal bands I came across. In fact, alot of brutal death metal I come across seems like shit that was thrown together by highly intelligent retards. Then there's brutal death metal I enjoy, Decrepit Birth, Spawn of possession, Necrophagist, Nile, Psycroptic, Beneath the Massacre, and occasionally Dying Fetus. Brutal death metal isn't the end all be all of metal, in terms of sound, but I do respect the bands I like in it more than any other genre.

To me, there is only one genre of music that is completely shit, and that's grindcore, and it's many subgenres.

AtomicWaste: Have you read any Phantasmagoria's lyrics? No.

Good record deals? Dude, this band was never on a major record label. Phantasmagoria's bassist/leader Kisaki had to start his OWN fucking record label to release their stuff. Just that only is much bigger achievement than any of those death metal bands have ever done. They were just an underground band, yet they were able to create a huge fanbase. They were even able to make their own "festivals" for other underground bands that were on that label. How many death metal bands has done that? Yea, none. None of those death metal bands are even close to what Phantasmagoria achieved.

You said "fuckin make your own genre". And then you called them scene whores who has done nothing new. Which one is it? You've heard only one song by them. Phantasmagoria's music was really versatile. Which made it even harder to get fans, because unfortunately, most people are shallow assholes who just listens to 2-3 different genres.

estringrev: If Wintersun is counted as Melodic Death Metal, then yes I like it. I only like few bands though.

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Wintersun definitely counts as melodic death metal.

I wouldn't say Dying Fetus or Origin has 'meaningful/talented' lyrics. Yeah they're good but meaningful? nah. Really there is no point to compare these bands. They are nothing alike. At all . Are they both metal? Sure.

Yes I have, shut up.

Oh big deal, THATS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE!
There is a shitload of death metal bands who have their own labels and put on their own shows at various places and have built a decent fanbase off of it.
They just don't get super popular because death metal isn't a largely desired/accepted form of music(but giving into gimmicks like dressing up as Final Fantasy may have helped).
I also know death metal bands who have their own labels and never got anywhere from it and constantly having memebers come and go through the bands history and yet they still had a blast doing it(but apparently if you lose your bassist it HAS to be the death of your band).
Most death metal bands are independent and do things on their own. Every town and city has one of those bands. But its not about getting famous, its about playing killer fuckin death metal for those who have a smart enough mind to understand how amazing it really is whether you have 5 fans or 500.
If you ask me, thats the best achievement there is.

"Death metal bands haven't achieved anything" my fuckin ass.

I've only heard one song by them? If you say so...

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I have Guriushoku in my mp3 player right now, I just forgot the name of the album I had. I also have one of my all time favorite songs in existence mixed with the album. "Gozen Sanji No Taiyou Kousen"

I'm looking for Kurohata.

AtomicWaste: Ok, what Phantasmagoria is singing about then? And which songs lyrics you've read?

I didn't say they were the only band to do so. Just said how it really is when you said they had a good record deal. In fact they did try a major record label, but they left immediately, because the guys there said "make a song that sells". And dressing like that is not a gimmick. Most people don't even know what Visual Kei is. It was popular in the 90's, but now it's not. At all. That's just proves that you know nothing about Phantasmagoria, so just shut the fuck up. And yes, the band is disbanding, because the bassist is retiring. Unlike all the western bassists, Kisaki is actually talented in something else than just playing. He makes the bass it's own instrument. It's not just a "friend of a guitar". (like most metal bands nowadays with their pathetic excuse of a bassist) He's amazing composer. He can actually write music. Which is pretty rare in metal for a bassist. (before you start whining, I did NOT say he's the only one)

You're just a butthurt kid who can't stand the fact that everyone does not like Death Metal. Just go away, emotard.

estringrev: Check out songs like "Betsuri Ro" and "Kasa". They're pretty good too. They're from their earlier albums when Kagerou did mainly heavier stuff.

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What a stupid argument hah i laugh at you.

Death metal guitarists and drummers are usually pretty skilled they just bring nothing new into the genre every new death metal band is just recycled riffs and it all just starts to merge into something shit.

Growling and repetitive smashing drums over and over again isn't for everyone and because 99.9% of the world don't like it or haven't even heard of it doesn't mean that they're ignorant it's a choice and imo a pretty sensible choice.

Death metal is loud, in your face, and generally unpleasant and hasn't really got any good points to people outside of the metal scene so i don't really see why your suprised that people don't like it tbh....

Stop this arguement nao!

The bands, and genres listed aren't comparable. Each of you have your own opions. I peronsally like a little of both.

Inaphyt, you are gay.
You have the dubious honour of being the first person on my ignore list.

Oh, and death metal is fucking boring. Chromatics is so early 90's.

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Is this a bash death metal thread?


It's starting to hurt my feelings


No other genre of music does what good death metal does, and doesn't even come close to having a similar sound.


Inaphyt, if I'm not mistaken, you like Beneath the Massacre, so what the hell are you going on about?

Beneath the massacre are unique, which is why i like them their lyrical content is also very different from you average metal band.

99% of metal though = Meh

Necrophagist, Alarum, Linear Sphere, Decrepit Birth, Spawn of Possession, Nile, Beneath the Massacre, Neuraxis, and Psycroptic are all great bands.


You do realize that every genre tends to have loads of bad bands, and a few great ones as opposed to the bad? You aren't being very fair.

inaphyt you are on my ignore list but im pretty sure that what you just said sucks

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1% of metal is alot of metal and i mean alot, just take that into consideration.

every genre has good artists, it's the death metal bands trying something different. that i'm ok with, the generic type of death metal or old school shit is just a waste of time.

Furthermore i still don't understand your point tbh, If you like death metal go and listen to it why bother trying to oppress people on a forum, i however shall go and listen to some irish folk.

K, so they dressed that way because it was popular? That gives them good rep in my book right there..

Oh yeah? So he was such an amazing person/composer/more-than-a-basssit that there is absolutely no way they could continue on for their fans? Bullshit, any experienced bassist could pick up a bass and learn all those songs within a short period of time. If members of Origin can find new stringed instrument members.. than any band can. Its not that hard. Thats a pathetic way to justify the band quitting(and to quit in general).
Rare for bassists to write good metal songs? I don't think you realize how much bassist's help when writing music, its like that for every metal band. So yeah there IS alot of bassists who help in the writing of good metal songs.

Hahahaha butthurt kid and emotard? Wow, you just made your entire argument sound mature when finishing it off with that.

I don't care if people like death metal or not, but when you say shit about death metal about being "a waste of talent", you're just a plain fuckin retard.

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mmmmmmmm, ALEX WEBSTER ANYONE?
he writes all the good stuff

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Let's not forget Marcin Nowak, Martin Rygiel, Derek Boyer, and Steve Cloutier, who are far more skilled AND talented than this goon in make up barely playing anything different from what the guitars are doing.

If you like Death then you really have no excuse for not liking dozens of other death metal bands other than the fact that you haven't really bothered to listen to any.

It's fine if you don't like death metal and would rather listen to this, dm has extremely limited appeal and will never appeal to someone who likes catchy choruses in every song. But seriously get a fucking clue, you've already established you don't have the slightest understanding of death metal, you're being just as ignorant as anyone who brushes v-kei aside as talentless drivel(which is really a genre based on apparel/look more than music, but let's leave it at that). And I enjoy some x-japan, because unlike bands like dir en grey, they actually bother to write some fucking MUSIC before putting all their make up on(do they even use it now?).

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AtomicWaste: Can't you read? I said Visual Kei is NOT popular nowadays. Most people have never even heard of it. Yes, it's not hard at all to find a new bassist. It's hard to find a bassist who is as good composer as him. He wrote ALL the songs of Phantasmagoria. Alone. It was HIS band. He didn't just help. He created the whole thing. The others could have written great songs too, but the sound would have changed too much. And the rest of the members WILL start new bands. Possibly just get a new bassist. They just can't go on with the same name as the same band. And a bassist writing metal songs alone isn't even close to as usual as guitarist doing it. That's a fact. BUT, I never said it's not possible, so just shut up.

Soeru: Yes, I don't understand death metal. That was just a pure incident that when I said to him "your favorite bands are gay". It could have been possible that I actually liked the bands he listens to. He just had to make a huge deal out of this. AtomicWaste fucking fails for taking this seriously. It's a fucking internet. =/ Most people would have just let it there, but no.

Btw, no, X Japan isn't using any make-up anymore. hide was the only one who still used it later, but now he's dead, so. And X Japan's music indeed was fucking brilliant. I'm glad they're reuniting.

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I'm not trying to oppress anyone, you basically said death metal is repetitive and uncreative, I called you on it. Because it seemed like you were spitting out shit about music you like.

This thread made me ROFL. Its like a middle school fight, but about death metal.

So how about this. Theoldman likes J-rock/metal, AtomicWaste thinks its gay. Neither one of you are going to convince the other. The only thing you guys have in common here is the inability to formulate a decent argument. So stop having this forum pillow fight and go do something constructive.

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Most death metal is repetitive and boring and the monotonous growls just add to that really. Most death metal acts i hear sound like some brootal kids that are like.

Wow i luv dat i play brootalz muzik now hahahahahaha.

They don't care that those riffs have been done 1000 times before, type in death metal in google and listen to the first 20 and see what shit you find.

Anyway good death metal acts.

Brain Drill
Beneath The Massacre
Anomalous
Crimson massacre
Domination through impurity
Dying fetus
The faceless
Fate
Gorguts
Gorod
Malignancy
Negrophagist
Nile
The Shattering
Sleep terror
With Passion

If the kids decided to create something new like most of these bands then fair enough the recycled shit i hear from most death metal acts is just terrible though.

Not death metal, credibility revoked. And you call Brain Drill, Beneath the Massacre, and Dying Fetus ORIGINAL??? With an opinion like that you've obviously missed out on a lot..

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Owned i think,

Furthermore Beneath the massacre have a unique sound and if you disagree show me other bands that are "the same".

Nope didn't think so

Read the thread topic.

And leave.

Wow, he sounds like a selfish douche then. Seriously, don't try defending them anymore. Everytime you try I just end up hating them even more.
So what? A band should let EVERY member take place in writing songs, not take the whole band over to yourself so only you can write songs. Thats retarded and egotistic.

Yeah, you called my favorite bands "gay" after making a topic about a "visual kei" band. Plus I think you're fuckin retarded, so I'll use my internet privileges to bash you out and argue against you... isn't that what internet messageboards are for? You're taking it just as seriously. And if you wanna get on the case of me taking things seriously.. why did you take my "good, that band sucks" serious? "Most people would have left it at that, but no".

Inaphyt: Mind telling me what bands you're talking about? You keep saying that but you're not giving any examples.

Disgorge
Severed Savior
Internal Suffering
Origin
Suffocation
Obituary
Incantation
Defeated Sanity
Decrepit Birth
Vulnus
Mortician
Pathology
Immolation
Cannibal Corpse
Divaricate
Condemned
Viral Load/Insidious Decrepancy
Vile
Visceral Carnage
Vulgarizer
Embalmed


There are shitloads of killer death metal out there.

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Bla bla bla bla. Just shut the fuck up already. No one is taking internet seriously. At least I'm not. Not my fault you start crying when I say Death Metal is gay. Which I practically DIDN'T EVEN DO. Someone's joke detector is broken. ;\

You hating Phantasmagoria makes me like them even more.

P.S. He is a selfish douche. And he knows it. But a talented one. Plus his interviews are fucking hilarious. Therefore, he wins.

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Haha yes you are, dumbass. I said this band is shit.. and you blow your top off attacking my taste of music(ignorantly) and then you turn around and say I am taking the internet seriously because I am defending my choice in music.. the same way you are. So yes, if you think I am taking it seriously.. then you obviously are too.
Seriously, don't act like you're right, neither of us are.. its a clash of opinions and we're discussing it on a public messageboard.. if you don't like it then don't use the fuckin internet(or go after someone's music taste).

He wins because of funny interviews? Your standard of what "wins" is very low. Selfishness and egoism doesn't belong in anything related to metal. The guy is obviously a dumbass, and there are tons of musicians who write much better music and don't put huge effort into shitty fashion looks.

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How serious "your favorite bands are gay" sounds? Even an idiot would realise I wasn't being serious. If I really was offended by what you said, I would have said something MUCH worse. Haha, top off attacking. Far from it. I don't give a crap what you think about the bands I like. I don't like Death Metal. How is that making me ignorant? Like you said, it's opinions. You don't like Phantasmagoria because you don't like how they sound. Well I don't like Death Metal because of the way it sounds. What fuck do you still need? How the fuck is that making me ignorant? Saying your favorite bands are gay when I didn't even know what you listened to? Dude, no. You made a huge fucking deal out of nowhere.

Kisaki wins in so many things. You can't say there are musicians who do better music than him, because, like you said, it's a matter of opinions. Plus I never even said he's the best musician in the world, because no one is.

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Brain Drill sound exactly like origin(but 10x worse)
With Passion sound like any generic metalcore band.
Beneath the massacre aren't total shit, but they sound exactly like Kronos who have been doing that for years. There are dozens of other bands that sound a lot like this band and do it way better.

You in fact are missing out on a lot.

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With passion hardly have any breakdowns or power chords :/

Braindrill are more technical than origin ever were.

Kronos are generic death metal

Beneath the massacre are unique.

Wish to carry on with this shit make a new thread.

Please make a new thread.

I don't want to hear this crap in a Phantasmagoria thread.

....And the pillow fight continues.

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Then you should have stayed out of the fucking thread.

There are plenty of death metal threads here for you guys to discuss death metal in. How about not hijacking this one anymore.

Haha, yeah. This is getting pretty ridiculous.

And I agree with Requiem and LordofStorms. Make another thread or something.

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Haha, well atleast you realize it, apparentely SOME people can't quite grasp the concept.

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this thread rules. |0+Z 0V PWNZ.

sure did fill up pretty fast.

I love death metal, especially the stuff that avoids the popular artless mess that dominates the genre these days, I like a bit of J-metal too, but death metal has lost in this thread due to AtomicWaste's attitude and his inability to argue a substantial piont.

Beneath The Massacre are fairly unique, they are possibly the only one-chord band I know of, worse than the three-chord bunch! Or one-arpeggio, I suppose...

Back to topic. On with your discussion, Phantasmagorians.

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Listen to Xysma or Axis Of Perdition then talk to me about originality. And that's all I shall say. Dying Fetus and Disgorge original...lol that's classic.

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I would say dying fetus have made some unique material right now i can't think of a single band that even sounds like them tbh, but then again i think death metal is a load of shit