Hey, everyone. So, I have a Jackson Warrior guitar, and was planning on getting one of the higher end ENGL heads, like an SE, Savage, or a Powerball, and was wondering what kind of cabinet would work well with them. I was planning on going with a Bogner, any suggestions as to which kind would work best, and where I could pick one up? Up until now I have only played my Fender practice amp so I am not too knowledgeable in this field. :/

OMGZ Bogner cabs are fucking awesome... BUT if you don't have the 1000 dollars to get one id go with an Avatar with the same speaker selection...

And I just realized you weren't complaining about price so onto my next point

The Speakers in the Bogner cab are top Celestion V30's and Bottom G12-75's. That combination creates a really heavy sound in my opinion (I might be wrong they may be X'd, but I think its 2 top 2 bottom).

The overall build quality of Bogner cabs is very good as well. Essentially I am saying that you'd be wise to buy a bogner cab. They have alot of bottom heaviness in a punchy non flubby way...

Id actually Suggest a Splawn or Bogner head myself...


O yeh and sorry if this post is alittle hard to follow my brain is fucking fried from working 15 hour days at work all week.

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The "You can't go wrong if you get this" cabinet is the Marshall 1960 4x12, for the amplifier head you're going to get get one with Celestion V30's. They can be had second hand on Ebay for between 4-600 dollars all day. That's my favorite cab that I've ever played through, but I've never played through a Bogner cab, although I don't see how it could be a bad cabinet by any means. Like the above poster stated, Bogner cabs, especially the Uberschall one, are absolutely top-shelf. Birchwood construction is a plus, if you can afford one, get it. I have a friend who has an Avatar with the same speaker configuration ( except with GT-75's on bottom and V30's on top ) and it kicks ass as well, never heard a Bogner cab though.


If you can't make up your mind, go for the Marshall.

Tottally agree 100% on the Marshall cab. My Framus Cobra head sounds increadible through it.

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I don't know if I'm right or wrong here, but are those Marshalls the ones that Morbid Angel uses?

But yeah, I was thinking of going with the Bogners, although I see a lot of praise for those Marshall cabs you mentioned, so I dunno, I might end up changing my mind when all is said and done.

If I could choose, I'd take a chance at the Bogner because it would probably sound monstrous in a way that the Marshall can't, just due to its top-dollar construction. I'm mentioning the Marshall because its the standard for 4x12 cabs used in metal, and its half the price of the Bogner anyway.

Morbid Angel has always based their guitar sound in Marshall amps from what I understand. Azagthoth has used a Pro Co Rat to boost a JCM800 from what I understand, and I imagine he would'nt be using the MG cabs to go with it.

The bogner and the marshall are two different beasts IMO... The bogner cab is a boutique cab and therefore Id imagine alittle more love and care (mainly the care part) goes into making it. NOT downplaying the Marshall's quality they are outstanding cabs, if you can't find a bogner thats a good choice. Lets say if the marshall is an 8/10 the bogner would be like a notch or a notch and a half higher.


I myself use an old Ampeg SS412 its an oversized cab like the Mesa Straight cabs. With the speakers slightly Slanted up at the player. It has the G12 - 75's (which are in the Marshall/Bogner people/myself are suggesting), and the thing is ungodly heavy.

Remember to look at the used market... You could find a damn good deal and save yourself alot of money that way.

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I've played my Engl SE/Powerball/Savage with a 1960 cab for quite a while now, it's just 'the standard' of cabs. If you play a lot of gigs it's nice to have the same tone everywhere. And most places have Marshall 1960's. That's why I tailored my tone around them.

If you just want to drag your cab along yourself (don't recommend this if you gig more then a few times per month) then a good choice would be a boutique amp.

Bogner is good but there are better cabs out there, IMO with my Engl amps a VHT cab sounds better. Same goes for the old Mesa 4x12's (with the 2 EV's and 2 V30's).
It's just a matter of taste though, there's a lot of good cabs out there. Even the ENGL XL cabs sound good, better then the regular sized ones that sound a bit too dark to me.

Anyways, if you're used to a fender practise amp I suggest you first try out all the Engl's your looking at. They are very different from each other. The SE is obviously my favorite but it's a big investment and might not be the way to go if the Powerball suits your needs just fine. Only after you decided on the amp you should drag it along and try it on cabs. My Savage sounds poop on the Engl v30 cab but the Powerball makes it come to life, go figure..

btw. I just sold an Engl Ritchie Blackmore for a good price here, you missed out! (see classifieds)

Actually they use JCM900's not 800's, and some JCM something cabs, but I think one of them is a 1960A because it's slanted.

The 1960A is a great cab, you can buy a beatup one for very cheap. Everyone and their granddaddy that has gone through half-stacks has gone through that cab at some point or another apparently(not me though )

I used to have a Marshall MF-400 4x12" and it was fucking insane. The one with the G12k-100 speakers. Huge tight low end and massive cut, good highs, slightly boosted bass and treble like the 1960A but technically better sound, 400W RMS handling, and better construction(it's a 45kg cabinet!), Mesa Boogie oversized style cab. I bought mine for 450 euros(around 600$ USD, can be had for less over there), and I sold it for the same exact price and got a 2x12 cuz it was overkill but I still loved that cab.

Bogners and VHTs are amazing and sound huge, but their price is also huge, so if money is a big concern there are other really good cabs for a lot less.

2nd hand Framus can set you back about 600$ and that's another top quality cab if you can find one in your area.

Also if you live in the US check out vadercabinets.com , they make high quality cabs for 600$, individually hand built, and their shipping ain't expensive I hear.

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Soeru On Altars of Madness they used 800's, and Blessed are the Sick... Last time I saw them Trey was using an 800...


The Vaders, I am not a big fan, there was just something about how they colored my tone I didn't like (We live in the same state so i went to try them out once.) They were alittle bassy, but if thats what you want they are built damn well. I mean shit look at all the bands that use them.

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Nope, 900's man, I can direct you to an interview where he said he's been using 900's for the length of his career. He hasn't changed his setup in nearly over 20 years.

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For real? Thought they didn't go into production till 91.

But I am probably wrong.

What about on Abominations? They recorded that in 86.

Could you direct me to the interview, Id be interested in some of his other equipment he uses.

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Actually never mind I think you're probably right about Altars as the 900 was introduced in 89-90. Yeah abominations and Thy kingdom come were way too old.

I got tired of looking for the interview so I stopped looking through another forum where I posted it but I think I posted it here in the Guitarzone or Gear forum, so search for it there(by his name I guess)

Some of the stuff he uses: rack-version pro-co rat 2, Ibanez analog delay, Boss flanger, MXR Phase 90, Eventide harmonizer, PAF pro's in the bridge position of his 6-strings, Univibe chorus, other stuff.

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Doesn't Trey use Marshall JCM 800, 900 and 2000 heads?

BTW Soeru Who makes the PAF pickups?

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Dimarzio


AND he did use to use 81 emg's I KNOW THAT FOR SURE he used them on Altars/Blessed

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A few people mentioned the Uberschall 4x12 cabinet, how would these play with an ENGL head? I mean, are they tailored specifically for Uberschall heads only, or will they sound just as good with other type of heads, period? How does it compare to their standard 4x12s... so if I wanna go with an ENGL head, am I better off going with a 4x12 standard or a 4x12 Uberschall?

How do you know this? Because all the pictures and videos I've seen from said timeframe he's never using any actives at all.

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because I asked him last time he came to Chicago what he used on Altars and he said an Ironbird with emg 81's. I don't think he would have lied ?

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They are not only for the Uberschall.. It's just that the T75's have more br00t00l bass compared to the V30's and don't have as much mids, the cabinet's tone is rounded more.

Also check out the Avatar Vintage cabs, they are like the same as the Bogners (built at same factory even) but cost way less.

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So would an ENGL SE and a Bogner 4x12 Uberschall cab be a good combo?

hellz yeh

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So the Uberschall cab is better than the standard 4x12? I'm sorry, I don't really understand the differences between them much so far except for the speakers...

They are the same, except for the speakers. Compared to the standard they'll have more low end and more low mids.. slightly less high mids.

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