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Tung-Sol 12AX7 in V1 of my Engl Fireball?
I've had JJ ECC83S's in the V1 v2 and v3 positions of my fireball for a few months now and I like their sound but I feel like the amp is REALLY missing some treble/upper mids. Great mids and lowend and all, and it's absolutely STELLAR for lead playing but for tight metal riffage it's way too smooth for me, and doesn't sound like it would cut in a band situation.
I hear the TungSol 12Ax7's kick ass in the V1 position for high gain amps cuz it gives it a good treble kick, lots of cut, plenty of gain and sustain and they're virtually noiseless. I want to shift the JJ in the V1 to the phase inverter(V4, not part of the preamp) and put a Tungsol 12Ax7 in there, I believe it should give it a much tighter and brighter sound yes?
I think people here that have/had Engls liked Tungsols in the V1 right? I just want some input before I spend 22$ on the tube(shipping here fucks me over 10$ but I can't find Tungsols in stores here)
EDIT: wrong forum my bad.
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2007-06-20, 16:07
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The old farts at sevenstring.org have insisted that Tung-Sols in Recto's are the way to go as well.....so I imagine it would do the same for an Engl.
I'm just gonna get 5 of em all the way across my pre-amp.
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2007-06-20, 16:52
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Actually I hear all Tung Sols are a really really bad idea, way too much saturation, and you'd lose a lot of definition, I've read this several times over at HC forums.
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2007-06-20, 17:04
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hmm...well that's not good.
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2007-06-20, 17:20
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Sovtek AX7LPS.
check 'em out. got great results with these in a savage and in a powerball.
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2007-06-20, 20:43
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Electro Harmonix 12AX7's have a push in the upper mids, although its hard to find one that isnt noisy.
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2007-06-20, 23:14
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the sovtek lps's arent as quiet as the ebay thing makes them out to be... if you put one in a combo it will fucking scream microphonics, but you have a head so you should be in the clear 
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2007-06-21, 15:02
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Definetly not warm sounding compared to other preamp tubes.
I would just try them out, it's not like preamp tubes are that expensive. They are very high gain. If you get them, get them selected on gain characteristics.
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Get a chinese and a tung-sol and see which one you like the best. The chinese ones are great for bright & tight stuff, much like the electro-harmonix / tung-sol tube.
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I already have some chinese tubes, the stock Engl ones.  I was actually considering putting the stock V1 input tube back in my fireball and see how it goes with the other 2 JJ's in the stages, if it's too damned noisy then I'll order a Tung Sol, or wait til I go to the US later this summer and buy a fuckin dozen of every tube I wanna try.
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2007-06-21, 17:09
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Uh are you sure the stock ones are not JJ's? Compare the insides. I know they switched to JJ's somewhere around 2004. JJ's have very short plates compared to chinese tubes.
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Woah I just put the stock Engl tube in the V1 position again and holy shit did it make a difference! No more excess mud/lack of treble, all the treble is there where I need it, plus now I actually feel like it has more gain? Strangely it's not noisy, I guess it was only the stock v2 and v3 tubes that went bad and started picking up radio signals(that's why I swapped
And Jopop whatever the stock Engl pre tubes are they're definitely not JJ ECC83S's because the sound is totally different, all I know is Engl fits Chinese-made ECC83's into the Fireballs and Powerballs because many at HC mention that. Not that it's a bad thing though because the amp sounded amazing before the pre tubes started acting like antennas.
Moral of the story: Don't use JJ Ecc83S's in the input stage!
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2007-06-21, 21:46
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Cool! Yeah i really like the Chinese in V1 too. I run chinese in V1 in my 5150 and JJ's in the rest (EH in FX loop). Sounds "muffled" with JJ in V1 IMO, i hear others have the same experience 
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I have had good results putting Chinese preamp tubes into my traynor combo to increase the gain and definition in the sound over the stock Russian tubes
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