hey peeps, i know this is going to be quite a generic post, but here goes...
im looking for some new music to listen to, and as of late, i've grown quite fond of both brutal and technical death metal.

so my question is to you is...can you recommend me any good brutal death metal bands and any technical death metal bands?

i would be extremely greatful if you would be so kind as to help me out,
thanks alot
cheers!

rammstein

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starting from ground level, your best bets with tech death
are

Cynic
Atheist
Death (some albums)
Spiral Architect (not death but still tech)
Cryptopsy
Spawn of Possesion
Immolation (A MUST!!!)

Brutal Death

Cannibal Corpse
Nile
Devourment
(qquite a generic genre of music. beyond the most mainstream bands, they start to blend in with each other)

WTF No Demilich or Gorguts references? Jebus

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Yep hes fucking dead on there

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you've got me all wrong.

gorguts is one of my favorite bands ever.
i just wouldn't recommend someone new to the genre.
i think they're acquired personally

Kronos and Disavowed are great brutal death to check out

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i hate suffo clones

Same and Devourment clones.

Also I'd recomend Demilich as well. I think one of the first bands to use guttral vocals.

Pestilence is also a great band to check out eccept their style of metal kinda changes with each album.

Also for Technical stuff check out Sadus. Even tho they are more thrash/death they are pretty damn technical.

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loz lozl.

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Theory In Practice (t)(/b)
Decrepit Birth(b)(/t)
Death(t)
Coroner(t)
Atheist(t)
Gordian Knot(t)
Spastik Ink(t)

No one mentioned Martyr or Gorguts? Odd..

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You did, also you should try: Wormed, Krisuin, Deeds of Flesh, Dying Fetus, and Suffocation.

Necrophagist.

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wrong,

If you're going to listen to all of the other brutal "D" bands, you must also listen to Disgorge ( U.S. ).

Beneath The Massacre
Brain Drill
Sleep Terror
Domination through impurity
Nile
Martyr
Psyopus
Anomalous
Gorod
Malignancy
Messhuggah? (cough)
Cowhandler
Vale of miscreation
Necrophagist
Blastfame
Crimson massacre
Despised icon
Dim mak
The faceless
Fuck the facts
Neuraxis
Cryptopsy
Origin
Obsidian
Psychotogen
Psycroptic
The Shattering
Spawn of possession
Capharnaum

Gorguts was one of the first death metal bands i got into, Them and pestilence/death which were the first 2 metal bands I started listening to. So I don't believe Gorguts is not "aquired" per se. And if he knows them now and doesn't like them he may return to them down the road and realize how awesome they are

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haha wow that's an intense intro

I guess it depends on what album he listened to first. Each Gorguts album is different.

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What do you mean wrong? there technical eh? Nocturnus?

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Obscura is my favorite Gorguts album. That album is so veried even from track to track that its a great intro to tech death.

As far as brutal death, I saw no one mention Divine Empire which has former members of Malevolent Creation and is quite good. Nostradamus is the album I'd shoot for. The rest of their stuff isn't that great as far as I've listened.

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meainging they blow

Nocturnus is awesome so quiet you

Unless you were talking about which Necrophagist, because they are definetally not awesome.

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O and for the record I bought From Wisdom to Hate when it came out. I was in 7th grade if i remember correctly or it was the summer before 8th grade. Yes it was quite an intense experience, but god damn one of the best albums ive ever heard.

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[QUOTE=Sweet Pizza]Obscura is my favorite Gorguts album. That album is so veried even from track to track that its a great intro to tech death.
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Same Obscura is my favourite as well. When my freind first heard it he thought his CD player was broken haha. Considered Dead is a close second to me.

Actually it's not technical. It's just really well....obscure. It's just very discordant and off key. Not really technical just random. Luc Lemay said he never wanted to be considered Technical. They wrote the whole album without their instruments.

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i can't choose between the gorguts albums,
if i had to i'd tie EoS and FWtH in first,

and yes necrophaggot is not awesome

Alright glad we can agree on that...

CONSIDERED DEAD is my favorite album, but From Wisdom to HAte is god damn brilliant

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i like your taste

Necrophagist.


They are obviously not brutal, but If insist on saying they are not technical you are retarded.

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No they are technical....and they still suck balls.

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+1900292920342391

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Enlighten me.

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They wank, wank and wank some more.

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Theres no good riffs in a Necrophagist song, that i've ever heard... This is metal, riffs supercede the importance of cute fancy little solos.

Necrophagist are the Yngwie of "death" metal, which is not a complement.

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I see.

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Strange i actually find Necrophagist to be the link between technical and catchy... despite actually hating the band i know of much much worse bands... like that black metal joke genre kids are listening to these days.

Black metal has always been a joke

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WTF!!!!! this is not true, the first and second waves were incredible. they were realy art. Emperor? that is the most emotionaly powerful music i've ever heard.
Immortal? Kicks ass. Burzum? A testament to material over skill. Mayhem? Brutal. Bathory? Epic.

Do not insult the original inventors. just because there are bands like gorgoroth, doesn't mean these bands have to be grouped with garbage

Yea black metal is shit... i should make a thread but i'd rather keep it to my own opinion than loads of black metal nerds spamming with OH IT'S BETTER THAN YOUR TECH BANDS WITH NO EMOTION... go listen to emo fags

I like listening to Black Metal, but the whole thing really is laughable skill-wise, who can't play some of that shit?

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Going to disagree with you Jo, I don't like ANY of the bands you listed. Except for Bathory, and Venom (Since you were talking first wave). Its not my thing I am more of a Death/Thrash/Doom guy with a good handful of grind from the mid/late 80's that I enjoy. To me black metal has the pretension of being evil, where as lets say Dawn of Possession by Immolation, didn't have that pretension, and it just rips your face and genitalia off at the same time in some kind of twisted act of torture.

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I WORSHIP THAT ALBUM.
i like immortal, because they're just fun with the whole UNENDING FROSTDEMONSTORMS OF EVIL GRIMMNESS.

Emperor, Bathory, and Burzum i take completely seriously.
their lyrics aren't SATANSATANSATAN, their about loneliness, vikings, darkness, nature

Goddamnit, why does everything have to be about skill? Why does everyone judge a good song/band mainly on skill?

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Autopsy is great, I can Play the Riffs... but I can't play them... (thats an example of simplicity thats great)

Its like one of my old guitarist friends said, you can play something but you have to feel it too, just being able to play it doesn't capture the emotion they used at the time they recorded it/wrote it.

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i agree, there's some magic in putting so much emotion in it, that it's convincing,
i think that's called conviction.

Put it this way. What's more memorable? Wanking on a scale exercise for 6 minutes while having the machine gun drums play in the background every song. Or actually having distiguishable riffs and memorable parts that set each song apart.

Oh and Inaphyt everyone on this forum is discussing not arguing or bashing. If anybody is being an emo here it's you.

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Stop ruining the guys chance of listening to black metal. Just reccomend bands. Don't flame ones that he will have a possibility of liking.

if you don't like BM, AT THE VERY LEAST!!! do Emperor, Immortal and Satyricon,
so you've got all your bases covered

also Bathory and Venom

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Only Raw BM stands out as listenable to me right now.

Listen to Bone Awl.

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Brutal :

All Cannibal Corpse ( Obviously )
Nile
Six Feet Under
Mortician
Aborted
Behemoth

Technical :

Kalmah
Cryptopsy
Death
Children of Bodom

Anyways... there are a few to get you started. There are TONS more out there, those are just the very few I thought of off the top of my head.
Keep it Brutal man

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Hmm, I didn't state that very well. What I meant is that Darkthrone's riffs are stupidly easy, and when I say they suck I refer to that.

I'm assuming your definition of good is if you personally happen to like them or not.

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Great taste in music but those aren't the bands said genres.

Death is tech death but they aren't really classified as tech death. Cryptopsy is considered tech death but you can see the brutal influences on the first two albums. Children of Bodom is melodic death metal with heavy neo-classical influences.Don't listen to CoBHC though. Kalmah is melodic death metal.

Well black metallers are fools for saying that, but two wrongs don't make a right by you suddenly claiming it is shit. In fact, the black metallers would win that argument because they gave more of a reason than you did.

You never heard Direwolf? Mike Lerner from Behold... The Arctopus' side project. Kinda tech'/prog' black metal. Just got a new album out. Pretty good!

http://www.myspace.com/direwolfisalive

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so vast, so cold


^AWSOME

If your a guitarist yourself and your serious about your music and haven't been sucked into any sort of scene you would understand.

Why would you want to listen to a worse guitarist with worse production and seriously predictable and easy to play riffs...

You could seriously work out albums by ear and don't say "oh well the production is a bit dull so you couldn't possibly do it by ear" well if that's the case it's not worth listening to anyway i could just go and fuck up my amp settings and play a simple riff for free (well minus electric costs SHUT UP!).

Also to experience some technical metal with bad production check out child abuse haha.... yea... serious emotion there....

Um just cause something is simple doesn't make it bad. Makes it distiguishable actually. If every band just did the same overdone wank fest technical crap over and over again. Soon not only do the songs blend into each other but the bands also do. I'd rather listen to a catchy simple song with memorable parts than hear somebody's musical masturbation. That's not writting a song, that's just showing off and having an ego.

I can play Necrophagist I can do all the tech stuff. But I would never use it in a song I write. I hate the stuff.

Do you honestly think that these so called Tech Death bands are going to stick around for years and people are going to remember their music? No cause technical death metal and brutal death metal as hard as it is to belive is just a scene. That's what's popular now these days. Trying to cram as many notes as you can. Well since every band does that, every band starts to sound similar. And the music looses it's energy cause after a while it's all the same. Why do you think bands like Black Sabbath or simple stuff has been around so long? Cause people can remember it and it's not some idiot with a huge ego saying "look I can do minor sweeps up the neck and can solo through the whole song." Well that's good if you wanna win a guitar battle but it's not going to happen if you wanna actually write a song. Which Necrophagist can't do at all.

Now maybe I failed as a guitarist cause I don't like technicality and prefer simple stuff. But then you fail if you actually think you can base a good memorable song with just playing as many notes as you can.

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If every damn band in the world was technical it would get old fast. There are plenty of technical bands out there. The ones that choose no to be technical do it for a reason. Not neccesarily that they can't play more technical music but just for the fact that they enjoy what they play. Look at Lil' John and the East Side Boys for example.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT?
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK?

hahahaha

But I think you can be technical and memorable... Listen to Atrocity, Gorguts, Demilich, and some middle area Immolation... Sure they are not as technical as some bands, but they have a technical edge to what they do, and a well thought out song writing style. That results in memorable song structures pieced together with highly memorable riffs...

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A) As a guitarist, I could care less if something sounds simple reguardless of if I was "sucked into a genra." If something sounds good to my ears I like it.

B) Not everyone can afford to have stunning production. All the old black metal bands (and those up and comming) used 4 tracks because they are poor as fuck and do it independently.

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Shame black metal with the same shrieking and bad production has become endlessly repeated over and over into boredom. I can understand you calling BDM a scene, but it's a bit hypocritical coming from a black metal supporter.

Funny you think this, because some of history's most difficult music, in the form of the Transcendental Etudes by Franz Liszt, is more than well-remembered, it has become immortal. There were three editions of it, one written when he was an aspiring teeange virtuoso, one when he was older. He realised when scores of that edition started becoming spread that his technique was unsurpassed and that no one but him could play it. Thus he published a more playable third edition.

You also appear to mixing up technical with fast, as many people near break their fingers off trying to play Allan Holdsworth slow stuff like Tokyo Dream.

I'm not going to even begin listing memorable tach' bands. You forget that there are others than those that do just shove in tons of notes.

There is also a serious paradox with many guitar-playing tech' critics. Many tech' bands play that way because it is the only way to get that exact sound, especially for the music-literate ones, such as Necrophagist and Martyr, you know, they could hand the riff to a violinist and they could play it, that's the way they'd have it played. Then the critics are listening to how its played instead of the music. Although it's the tech' guys who are thinking less of their instruments.

Tech' is such a false term anyway. I hate it, despite being a devout follower of bands that are usually labelled so. Music can only ever indicate how it is being played, never state exactly. A guitar riff might be easy on piano or trumpet, like the time (shame on me) I played Trivium's 'Like Light To The Flies' on piano. Tech' should be landed on bands that do complex or specific arrangements, which is then usually termed progressive.

As a mate once said, there is difficult-to-play death metal and then real out-there sophisticated stuff.

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Ive never even heard of the guy. So i am going to base my next conclusion that most people haven't heard of him on that, he's probably just big to those "more technical than thou" guys

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Yea that's great i'm happy this way that means every tech band is to be treasured and every new find is a real gem. However if your a devout black metal fan you can go on blackmetal.com and find a new band every day good for you.

Also check out Electrocution 250:- loony toon metal wow awesome idea

Thanks for blackmetal.com but I'm quite satisified with the 15 BM thats I listen to.

Wintersun, if it wasn't mentioned.

The only Black Metal bands I listen to are Mayhem, Arkhon Infaustus, Bathory Dark Throne and Venom (ok they are NWOBHM but still). I'm not some HUGE BM fan.

As far as tech I know there are technical bands out there who can actually write good music. I listen to them. Atheist, Cynic, ect ect.

I personally think the hardest stuff to play would be the stuff that has very little theory or reason supporting it. Such as later Gorguts, Malignancy, Portal. Stuff that's so out there and random.

It's just me tho. My personal taste. I'd rather listen to a 30 minute long droning doom song with like 3 power chords than sweeping and blasting.

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Sure. I agree, that's you, this is me, but I'm trying to counter people who say that tech' is an absolute wrong, and also black for that matter. There is no such thing, it's taste. As the Swedish proverb apparently goes, "taste is like your ass: divided".

To be honest, I don't think Gorguts is that hard to play. And it's still theory really, because theory encompasses everything down to knowing what a chord or pattern of notes sounds like, so even anti-tech's know theory. Just depends on how much you know and what aspects of music you know theory for. Music is all unconscious counting. Luc also has classical education, and I think he's in denial by saying he doesn't use his theory in Gorguts/Negativa. To my ear, Gorguts indicates a knowing of theory. He had to of at least said at one point,


And you are right. There are teh boring who just sweep and sweep, and so on. Although I think Necrophagist make good use of it. They place it well in their music.

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I would like to suggest Warmen.