What is the lowest tuning possible without your guitar sounding like a fart.

personally I have taken a liking to Drop A.

but I was wondering how much lower I can go without it sounding like crap, also, how thick of strings will I need to use? Im currently in Drop A with very light gauge d'addario strings.

thanks.

I play Drop A as in AEADGB with 13 17 26 36 46 64 anfor ADGCFA I use 14 18 28 38 50 64 and for the lowest tunning still sounding good that I have played was DROP F withsome fatty 17 26 36 46 56 70 like an eight string without the two highest strings. I still love B standard the best for its low tight sound with the right strings of course.

How the hell are you playing in Drop A with very light gauge strings? Don't the strings flop around and buzz like crazy?

The strings are harder to play because they drag with the pick, but not too buzzy or anything.

I was thinking about trying out G and F, but I would definatly need thicker strings before attempting.

Gorguts use G on some songs, but I don't think I'd ever go that low just to learn those songs. Lowest I go is drop A on 6 strings, and my 7 nearly always stays in A#.

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Usually I´m in either A or B on my 6 string with 12-70 strings. I´ve gone down to F and E though when I tried some Meshuggah stuff, sounded rather muddy, especially chord stuff.

......Sigh what a moronic question try it yourself......

if you would have actually read it you would have realised that I want to know before going out and buying thick strings.

If you feel comfortable playing in Drop A with light gauge strings, you should be comfortable playing in E (1 octave lower) with like 13-56 or 14-60s.

Really Gorguts used G? On which songs? I know Luc just picked up a 7 string Ibanez S series.

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Oh and try F standard. Maniac Killer tunes to it. That is fucking HEAVY. No clue what string gauge. Maybe 60.

I use 13-56 for A standard.

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I was thinking about maybe E.

being as how it's a full octave lower, which basicly makes it pure fuckin evil.

edit: (not as related, so PM me if you can, but for some reason when I play in drop A for a decent amount of time like maybe 10 minutes, my ears pop and i yawn alot... can anyone tell me why? maybe I just react to the sound frequency oddly)

edit2: i cant physicly tune this thin string below g# so before I try anything I am required to get thicker strings.

Personally, pass B tuning sounds like crap, Nile have good music but one of the baddest sounds i ever heard (AEADGB)

For your question: there is lower tune than A or G, but it will be fucking useless and it wont sounds very good.

Use big strings, stay nothing lower than A, is my advice to you

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eh, quite frankly I dont like nile, so i dont care about thier tuning, even though that is the tuning that I recently have become familiar to.

I prolly need some medium guae strings though, these are'nt ment for this tuning at all.

the only reason drop tuning will sound shitty is if you have thin strings and/or an amp that cant handle it. Example: marshalls are not very good for heavy downtuning; oranges, matamps, and ampeg (v-4's specifically) are due to their ability to handle low frequencies.

Now, to tune below A and still prevent shitty sound caused by loose strings, you'll need an extended scale guitar (baritone), and some heavy/tight ass strings. It is very possible, you just have to be smart about it.

Pickups are also a very huge question in the matter. The simple fact is that low gain pickups do not handle low frequencies very well. To actually capture the low notes clearly, you'll need some fuckin heavy pickups, we're talking s-duncan invaders, dimarzio x2n's, or most preferably lundgrens and BareKnuckle Warpigs.

Wood also comes into question because of its resonant frequency... but i havent tried any woods with a tuning below C, so i wouldnt know.

As far as im concerned, you can make any tuning sound good with the right guitar, and a y-box and plugging into both a guitar and a bass amp... or maybe just a thunderverb.

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It really just depends on what you are playing. I use A for my DooM project but wouldn't really use it for anything else. I play it on an Ibanez RG (Strings: 13-56) run through a yorkville bass amp with DOD Death Metal distortion pedal sounds fucking heavy. We are talking Mortician-Chainsaw Dissmemberment guitar tone. Since I am using it through a bass amp it doesn't mush up at all.

It just really depends. Most people can't belive that I use Light N' Heavy strings 10-52 for B,E,A,D,F#,B.

Just realize that with lower tunning you need to figure out which amp sounds best with it and maybe look into some EQ pedals.

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I think any lower than A sounds pretty shit. I don't see the reason in tuning down though to be honest... there is no real reason to need to go below standard E.

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I fucking agree with ya! Personally, what is better than a real good and clean sound!

It not depends of what you play. How many death metal bands are in E tuning. The best bands are in E tho!

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You must have real dubious music taste to judge the quality of a band or it's music on tuning. But yeah, many fantastic bands do play in E.

To continue the point of the thread, mahogany is a good wood for clear low tunings. Also backs up the higher end.

I play a 7-string with 11-60's on board, detuned a wholetone to A. It's also got extended scale length. I guess 7's are really built for the lows, as its perfectly clear down at A. But I've heard enough good 6-string lowness going around.

And for amp's, you really need a brand that can handle it. I swear by Randall, and not only do I have intact headroom up at the high volumes, but again I have good tone and clarity. You need big, robust speakers and a good on-board EQ, with some middle/low emphasis. I keep my Contour knob low, or middle emphasised. A low A is about 110 Hz, which is quite deep. It's hard to get a good scooped detuned tone, but it is possible as far as I can remember from all the music in my head.

As far as lower tunings than A are concerned, Meshuggah have amazing tone down at their tunings, including a low D# I think in one of the songs on 'Nothing'. It doesn't matter if you like them or not, they have something to teach you about you about tuning low. I guess it's in part the fact they use even bigger, and more low-specialised 8-strings, but the original of 'Nothing' was on detuned 7-strings. They also use a 70 for the 8th string.

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I disagree. I sometimes find things can be almost too clean. Leading to twangy or sometimes flat sounds. Personally I like my strings to buzz a little, I like my sound distorted and fuzzy but still distiguishable. It DOES depend one what you play. Someone who plays Cynic or Atheist Tech style Death Metal is not going to follow the same gear advice as someone who plays Autopsy or Cianide Death DooM.

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I am almost certain that Messugah use bass cabinets with their Triple Rectifiers. Cause with tunnings that low and strings that thick regular guitar cabs are going to fucking blow.

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...Where did i said i judge band with their tuning....i just said most of the greatest band are in E....Anyway i listen some band with low tuning...im not judging their music. But those band in E tuning are in the best one IMO.

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Do Martyr and Quo Vadis aren't enough heavy to be lower than E? lollllll

And dont give me Grindcore as exemple!!

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I can't imagine having a "preferred" tuning for other bands. I had a short lived Mongolian Battlecruiser Grind band that tuned to Drop Z who were called "Drop Z". PM me for demos - 5$ each.

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Drop "Z"...?

he's retarded.












anyways, I do like A alot, and Im running my 6 string through my Line6 Spider 2 for distortion (its shitty I know =[) and then through my Behringer PA for the major amplification.

and I have the equalizer set mainly for bass, the channel EQ is set 0 on mid and +5 on both high and low (ranging the bass and high somewhere between +1 or -1 of +5)

the actual equalizer for both of my PA monitors is basicly a slant, 63-16k and the low end being the highest, (this is mainly because thats how I like my vocals through them, I tweek them for guitar) the high frequencies are lower, not all the way down mind you, and the bass is'nt all the way up either.

edit: oh and it's a Jackson Warrior with the stock "custom" pickups.

drop z.....it doesn't exist

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That's nothing, bitch, I tune to Drop π.

^ LOL

That's a ridiculous statement. Bassically you stated two bands who tune to E and that it doesn't get any heavier then you tell me not to list grindcore (which is odd since I know some grindcore bands tune to E). Maybe cause it's actually heavier than those bands but you don't want to admit it?

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For people who want the ultimate in br00tality why not just invest in a baritone and tune a whole octave lower?

It was a joke about grindcore bands and their subgenres and tunings.

Actually, whenever I decide to make grindcore I usualy tune to standard or drop D.

I think i've just read one of the dumbest thing ever....


Repeat after me!

I said....Tuning doesn't matter with what you play, and dont give me grindcore band as exemple, BECAUSE MOST OF GRIND BAND ARE VERY LOW TUNNED AND WE ALL KNOW IT

And indeed grindcore is more heavy...but I dont give a fuck...grind suck IMO.
So before post something stupid like that, read carefuly next time! I won'T re-explain!!

Don't take it as an offense, i just hate when people disform what i said!

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First of all most grindcore bands are not that low tunned. A few tune to A but most tune to D, C#, and B.

Second. Get used to people not understanding you. Your english is not the best. I can barley understand your points. You are all over the place.

Saying the best bands are in E is such a strech that it the statement is ridiculous. If the best bands are in E. That means, over 90% of Death Metal bands are not included, and even Slayer is not. I'm not here to debate which bands are the best or what genre sucks. It does depend on what you play and what you prefer in your tone. So if you are just going to sit there and say the best bands are in E or how downtunning sucks why did you even join this thread? This thread is for people who like low tunning and are discussing it.

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If everyone think like you, only few people will discuss and this forum will die!

Im not debating anything..like i said 5432546 times IN MY OPINION!
Infinity says the same thing as me: he prefer E tuning...and no one like you bothered him on it!

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It would be the same thing. If a thread was posted about Grindcore, then someone posts on there stateing how much grindcore sucks, it not only be a waste of thread space but also pointless.

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you know what...i wont arguing again!...you know my point, I know yours. Now continuing this will be pretty retard.

And anyway, there is nothing more to say!

now lets drink a beer, because i fucking want one!

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LOL@ e-Fight^






anyways.
my favorite deathmetal/ deathcore bands usually play in drop C, and the occasional in C standard or B standard.

However, being as how I want the heaviest tone possible I'm aiming for either A or B for whatever I plan on writing for my band, and that is a dropped tuning, it allows for a more powerful lower note, the open powerchord. low and behold, it is an amazing powerchord.


and can somebody tell me why drop A is making me yawn!?

yawn: boring?, If yes; The simple reason is: we can't like all tuning! I fucking hate drop A too. it's just boring and fucking $#%$? to tuning over there, my tuner doesn't tune lower than B

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I fail to see how a specific tuning can possibly be "boring".

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I wonder that as well.

No, I notice that every time I play in A I get a pressure in my head (like being in an airplane) and i yawn to equalize the pressure, it's REALLY odd.

maybe it's the sound frequency of A mixed with my EQ on my PA.

....simple: you just don't like the sounds it gives and because there isn't many band in this tune, at least band you like, that is what i call a ''boring'' tune

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That's what I call an uncommon tunning. No tunning is "boring". Uncommon yes, some even obscure but not boring. A good guitarist should be able to play in any tunning and sound just as good. Even if tunning down to G or F. Mind you it may limit in tonal variety as the highs will not be as higher pitched. But if there is a will there is a way.

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umm, wasnt their first album or two in E standard, yeah, pwnt. : )

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That is true. I keep forget Show No Mercy was in standard. Cause I'm so used to hearing it in lower tunnings from live shows. My bad.

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With my Zakk Wylde 11-70 gauge strings, I've gone as low as Ab. Didn't sound too bad. Problem was I wanted it to be tuned to C, but the strings were so thick they raised the bridge up from the body when I was tuning it. I finally realized it after my 6th string broke.

I've always thought for lower tunings, you needed thicker strings, but it also depends on the guitar, as I have recently learned. For example, the Zakk Wylde strings I got could be tuned to C on my old bronze series warlock, but not my platinum series (I think it was platinum). Then the strings that were still on my Ibanez when I bought it (strings are still there, I need to change them) could be tuned as low as C. I could even get it to drop Bb, a problem I had with my old old Zakk Wylde 11-56 strings on my old strat-poser.

This is all based on my experience. I am not a guitarist, but I do play guitar alot.


/guitar-n00b

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Anyway slayer is in Eb...can you even call this ''low'' or other tuning LOLL only a half step lower....we can say its nearly standard tuning.

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You are so pathetic and stupid, read carefully what i've written.



Where did I said that Eb is the same shit as E...

I, personally, dont find any difference between E and Eb and dont tell me it's because my ear is bad ( it would be your kind of stupidness to say things like that) because kalmah (first 2 cd's), Slayer and Cannibal Corpse (many songs) are in Eb...except those bands...i dont know a lot and they aren't so brutal.

Yes, I claim E tuning as the best and yes I think it is and i said IMO, I didnt ask you to tell me im stupid because i give my opinion, so shut the fuck up, im pretty tired of you. AND DONT EVEN ARGUE AGAIN, I WON'T ANSWER AGAIN

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we love you bob, as broken as your english is : )

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hahahah, my english starting to improve a little bit, look at my old post...iiiiish, im pretty sure you wont be able to read!!!

Anyways, this guy is retard, he only understands what he wants, as you can see (what i've quoted)

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bob.

you're in idiot.

get off my thread.

you did'nt even answer my question. you made fun of a tuning,.. it's a fucking tuning. and you just argue with everyone who says anything about anything in here.

....you aren't the best placed to tell me what i should do little boy. Funny but there are just you two guys who pissed me off here and you are the only i have arguing with...

whose the idiot huh! anyway i didnt make fun of any tuning, are you retard like the other guy?!

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dude..

why the hell aren't you banned.

because if this behavior and use of terrible grammar is common from you. i'd expect some sort of action.


and you did.

you said that A tuning is boring and that is causing the reason why I am yawning,.

which makes no sense.

twatass.

Are you calling me retarded?

4d56ef didn't say you said E and Eb were the same tunning. You said the best bands are in E. Well those bands in Eb are not in E. Maybe you should read carefully what people write.

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because we need some people like me to make you realize that you are stupid!!
And you guys are the only ones that ''arguing with me, because everyone else seems to understand me, look in the chit chat!

Anyway, i dont want any fuck here, i pass that age, im gonna leave this thread, but i still think you're an ass!

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someone please deal with him.

he dos'nt even help the thread he just comes in and argues.

and starts rediculous fights and denies them.

and "past that age"

my ass, you act like the kid in the f*cking chocolate milk video.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=haSGAf7lvR0

suspended, shut the fuck up, he'll stop arguing if you do; as he has said multiple times. and bob is 1000 times cooler than you anyway and everyone here likes him.

His grammar is bad (though it's improving) because he's French and English isn't his primary language. If you're going to insult somebody, make sure you at least have your facts right.

haha you got pwned, anyway i dont want the fight restart, let it go man, take it easy, its just internet!

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No, it's not Recifiers they use. Never have! They use Line 6 Vetta II's. They always have for their 8-string work. As for the cab's, I'm not sure.

And Martyr gave up on standard E ages ago. In fact, a video I watched of 'Virtual Emotions' live sounded a whole semitone down. Sounded real flat, suggesting drop C#.

And finally, to repeat a point, who cares? It's a bunch of notes. Yes, many insurpassably talented bands don't touch their machineheads, but remember, if we are talking about death metal, Chuck Schuldiner was a fan of D standard, and stuck by it for the majority of his career. Guitar didn't even start its life in E, there wee a variety of tunings back in the guitar's early days. It's like sitar players don't discriminate between playing in C, C# and D, which are the three most popular tunings. It's down to preference.

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Really? Cause they posted their gear set up for all of their albums. The used Marshalls to start with and then Mesas. I could have sworn.

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They used Marshall's on the first three albums, but when they started using both 8-string and hypothetic 8-strings (detuned 7's), they switched to Line 6. Probably because it sounded like a fart with the Mesa's/Marshalls.

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Im originally of french speaking decent also. so what. this forum is for english speaking people, and that's not the problem. he calls us idiots for basicly quoting the rediculous things he says. and discussing, and rather then discussing he decides to mock.

and i'd say OMG i'm going to act like him and everyone will like me, however i will not stoop as low as to act like a jackass. sorry.

edit: oh and stead of answering questions he would be like "IT MAKES YOU YAWN CUZ IT IS BORINGZ" seriously. that's not helpful in the least bit.

shut the fuck up y'all.

..LOLL

Okay dude, stop this, you just look more stupid than I can...you continue arguing when there is nothing to.

SHUT...UP...like I did. People dont give a fuck of what you are complaining for and me too!

stop this, or you will make you look more ridiculous than you are now.

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bro.

that's way too hypocritical.

you prove my point.

anyways. back to what the thread was made for.

(not saying how tunings are boring and hense make me yawn, and then argueing with everyone and throwing a fit, as some people think this thread is for)

I dont see any hypocrisy...everyone know how i am!....Now cut it off and lets talk about tuning mkay?

Wich songs of Gorguts are in G or F....because i never saw it before...

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shut the fuck up.

someone ban this fuck already

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I see the maturity among this forum is poor.

and since people one here don't even seem to know how to answer a question thread I might aswell not even ask anymore.

you win, have fun.

thank god, now fuck off.

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So, which song of Gorguts are in G and F? LOL

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I think Gorguts were in C standard and G standard on a 7 string on some songs (I saw Luc with a 7 string Ibanez Saber).

It has to be some songs off of Obscura. I think Clouded was in G that sounds fucking low. But not sure.

I don't think they ever used F. I can only think of maybe like a few bands that used F.

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So...I tuned to a very low D today. It sounded like complete shit.

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I hate to tune my guitar very low but, I have to learn some gorguts and Neuraxis....which are in C. This tuning is the only one i like (in low tunes)

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