2007-05-09, 05:34
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strange NS-2 question
i run my NS-2 before my amp, mainly because the active booster in my Jackson makes my signal way noisy. i usually run the signal into the NS-2 "return" instead of the "input" jack because for some reason the noise suppression works way better this way (based on the sound, plus you can see the difference in the red light response). you get no sound if you go through the return instead of the input, so i stick a 1/8 to 1/4 inch adapter in the input jack just to trick it into running this way. leaving the pedal, i go from the "send" jack to my amp. anyway, i'm just wondering if anyone else has noticed and/or tried this.
also, why the multiple inputs anyway? my amp has an fx loop, so could i run it somehow simultaneously up front AND in the loop? i like it the way i have it set up, but i'm just curious.
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2007-05-09, 07:55
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No you can't use the NS-2 in the loop and in front at the same time to my knowledge.
What you need to do is use the regular in and out of the NS-2 and spend some time adjusting the decay and threshold accordingly.
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2007-05-09, 15:54
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Wouldnt the NS-2 just work that much better in the FX loop?
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2007-05-09, 16:38
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If it's a serial loop I'd think the same thing.
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2007-05-09, 16:51
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Wouldnt the NS-2 just work that much better in the FX loop?
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yeah it does kill most if not all noise produced up to and including your amp's preamp when the amp is idle, which is ideal, but some people like it in front of the amp because it cuts off your guitar's signal, only putting out signal from your guitar when the strings are touched hard enough, therefore eliminating most string noise due to improper muting etc., giving you the impression that you're a much tighter player.
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2007-05-09, 17:16
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Heh that sounds pretty cool
I need to assemble a pedal board sometime soon.. I'm getting the NS2 too, it was pretty much great, lol.. it's just like playing without a noisegate, except you have no noise
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2007-05-09, 18:11
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Yea I need to get my pedalboard together too...thinkin about one of those NYC boards.
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2007-05-09, 18:47
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tmc:
i just tried your setup to see what would happen. is this correct?
guitar -> ns2 return
ns2 send -> amp
1/4 plug -> ns2 input
i found the 1/4 plug was unnecessary (ie didn't change anything). basically the signal just sort of got cut down to be a really weak AM radio kinda sound ... like it was a bad connection or something. the lights on the ns2 were on but faint and didn't really change when i strummed the guitar.
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2007-05-09, 19:17
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Return jack is probably line level, which has way lower input impedance (20 000 ohms would be high).
A guitar amp has an input impedance of at least half a million ohms, most are at one million. This is required to keep it sounding good, else it'll sound noisy and only with high midrange.
Might be his NS-2 had them wired backwards
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2007-05-09, 23:30
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tmc:
i just tried your setup to see what would happen. is this correct?
guitar -> ns2 return
ns2 send -> amp
1/4 plug -> ns2 input
i found the 1/4 plug was unnecessary (ie didn't change anything). basically the signal just sort of got cut down to be a really weak AM radio kinda sound ... like it was a bad connection or something. the lights on the ns2 were on but faint and didn't really change when i strummed the guitar.
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kleenx: almost, i go from guitar to the NS-2 "return" then from the NS-2 "output" to the amp. but i forgot to mention that if i use the NS2 to power the other pedal, the dummy plug in the "input" is not necessary. but when i use independent power supplies (as i do since i only use 2 pedals), it seems like it has to be "tricked" with the dummy plug.. it's weird.
i think i am running inside of the NS-2's loop or something, which is maybe why the suppression seems so much more effective because it's designed to respond to a boosted signal? i believe you're SUPPOSED to plug your guitar into the "input" and then go out of the "send" to your boosting pedals, then back into the "return" and finally out of the "output" to the amp. but the only other thing i run is an EQ and it's just less cable and hassle to just put it before the NS-2 and not in the NS-2's loop by itself. at least if you're running it in front, anyway.
Soeru: i run my pedal this way with the threshold anywhere from 9 o'clock to 1 o'clock depending on which guitar/pickups i am using and whether or not i am using my EQ up front. i usually keep the decay almost all the way to the left. i know how to operate the thing, at least to my liking. but if i go into the "input" it becomes pretty unresponsive, no matter how i set it. both the sound and the red light indicator make it pretty clear that the thing does not work nearly as well this way, and i think i ran across a review once before where someone mentioned this too.
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2007-05-10, 23:37
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ah ok i see ... you're running it that way so your guitar is in the ns2 loop.
retried it going...
guitar -> eq pedal -> ns2 return
ns2 out -> amp
found the decay was real ugly, had this fizz-out to it. gate didn't seem any tighter either -_- which was what i was hoping for.
took the guitar out of the loop and put the eq back in the loop and it sounded better. my pickups aren't noisy tho ... don't have any actives to test it on here.
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2007-05-11, 02:19
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kleenx i tried what you said (eq in the NS2's loop) and it works well too, i just find that running both the guitar and the EQ in the NS2's loop gives me the cleanest, tightest sound. but i'm no pro, just having fun. today i also experimented a bit with the NS2 in my amp's FX loop and i was still getting too much noise (even running it my weird way), so i am keeping it out front. it may not be "the right way" but it's my way.
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