if so, how do you manage to get noticed?

ive been in a metalcore band for years now but i never felt at home with it and recently started a true metal band.

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all a break down is...is going halftime or even going from something fast in the 16th note range way down to quarternotes or halfnotes. so take a blastbeat<16th notes/220 bpms> and lets transition that to a really spread out backbeat with cymbal hits falling on quarternotes or even halfnotes<a really spread out backbeat>. sometimes the tempo intentionally drags as well, thats about it


why does this invalidate the notion of "true" metal?


its just an overused motif.

i just dont see this dividing line between metalcore and metal............its just a very simple change in subdivision that alot of, what you would consider "true metal" bands do anyway..................maybe they dont do it every song, and do it in the same way, but most genres of rock music go halftime, they do breakdowns in some sense........they spread the measure out.

so a question i pose to you is.........why are breakdowns so obligatory in metalcore?, why do they have to be done every song?, what is this obsessive need to uphold the status quo?

there are other ways<countless ways> to manipulate the subdivision/count/tempo and overall context of a change in a song. going halftime is one of the easiest and, at this point, unimaginitive things you can do in a song.

listen to classical music and some jazz, man.

listen to vastly complex ways in which tempo, volume and subdivision transition all together at once. listen to the interplay of volume of the different sounds you hear, the dynamics of it all............the shit is fucking deep, definately take notes on those old school composers, not in an overt way like you just doing faux-classical riffs with distortion.........just aspects/approaches of what they do.

all im saying is.............think outside the box........forget these genre names like thrash/black/death metal and metalcore..........think way beyond that. i dont mean to lecture....and i apologize if all this is seemingly condescending.

its just......its this need to do certain things in which to be recognized as a particular style, a status quo, that bothers me.

as long as it rocks it's all good. In dutch, as long as there's 'brakke mosh' involved then it's ok

As long as you don't yell "Break down!" before the break down starts.

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Yeah, this proves my theory that no one who ever plays metalcore ever plays because they like music.

Don't worry, I'm sure the big bucks will come rolling in soon.

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Or use the 'mosh horn'

Oh and Cannibal, that's bullshit. I think even pop artists love music. That comment didn't make any sense.

He's a child.

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Words aren't my friends....this Creative Writing degree is going to be a bitch

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In my band we don't use breakdowns

However many bands have "slower parts" in half time feel and such, I'm sure that can still bring success.

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Breakdowns are kind of a necessity with a metalcore band. Playing metalcore has nothing to do with technicality or breaking the barriers of musicianship. It's all about, and I use this term lightly, KICKING ASS. There's no depth to it, no subliminal message or anything, despite what most -core bands have you believe.

To sum up; Metalcore= just plain fun whenever you want to kick back. Easy Listening, perhaps.

As far as breakdowns go, and as annoying as they can get, I personally like one now and then. Even Unearth's and Elysia's excessive use of breakdowns kind of rubs off on me.


Also.... shouldn't this be in a different section, maybe "Bands?"

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I think the majority of people on this forum make it a point to avoid breakdowns at all costs.
I dont mind a good well thought out one every once in awhile, but it seems that all the local bands around me have to have atleast 3 in every fucking song.

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I dont want to do breakdowns because every single band does them. Im sick of hearing them, and if people want them they can goto any other show.

metalcore breakdowns are not only weak in musicianship, theyre also weak in personallity. If my band relies on a breakdown, then chances are the rest of the song will be ignored.

The way I see it is, if a band has breakdowns they are most likely trying to fit in. And the ones who dont do it to fit in, are most likely complete retards. I really cant justify this over use of chug.

Ive seen enough really good metal bands turn into metalcore bands, and I think its about time people grow a set and start playing whats in their heart.

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last gig i played, everyone liked it, then right as i was turning my amp off and ready to get off "stage" a kid came up and asked that we play a breakdown. hahaha i obliged, we did the intro to behemoth - the long song at the end of demigod

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you are a disgrace to youre vigier.
shouldve punched that kid in the neck, he might as well have told you that youre show wasnt good enough.
then you shouldve played something like "endless cemetery" by cryptopsy if he wanted a breakdown that badly.

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You're quite gay. "Every single" band also does tremolo riffs, galloping riffs, double kick basslines, growled vocals so are you still gonna do all that plus many features of metal? You should go to other shows. I think Robbie's got an upcoming tour.

Who's to fucking say they're weak in musicianship and personality? That's a dumbass comment. Just because they're easy to play doesn't mean they can't sound good and add to the overall experience of a song.

I dunno, most of your comments are pretty biased. I don't see a problem with breakdowns unless they get extensively annoying or boring, and most bands I like that do breakdowns don't have that problem (except BTM). So many "true" metal bands do breakdowns, just not the ones commonly present in metalcore. Although you're referring to metalcore breakdowns, you really did encompass all breakdowns ever. Hell, in "Bind Torture Kill" on Suffo's 2006 effort there is a breakdown, you could even say it is quite similar to a metalcore breakdown. But yeah, you're being a typical metal faggot. I bet you're in the breakdown closet.

Please, name some "really good" metal bands that have turned metal. Cause I can't think of any. And ok, I'll play what's in my heart. Freedom to musical expression, not limited to stupid fucking bias or mindless hate. Thanks for the tip.

to me, a breakdown is:

1. a way out for somebody who cant write a good bridge section.
2. a way to make a comparitively weaker sounding song have a heavier part within it. (take hawthorne heights for example... but their breakdowns are pretty weak sounding anyways)
3. a part that straight up kicks ass an gets people injured in the mosh pit

I must admit, its VERY overdone, and alot of the fankids out there want nothing more than heavy breakdowns, and dont really care about the song. I was sitting down a year ago with my friend John (who wears girl pants) and the only thing i remmeber him saying was "this album has sweet breakdowns" and skipped to the breakdown of every song...


If you want to get noticed: do something unique thats likeable. Dragonforce did it and now theyre quite noticed.

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quite annoying too.

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dragonforce are not unique.

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I bet you're not gonna like metal in a few years.

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If anyone didn't already know, the reason hardcore kids look for breakdowns is because they like to go to shows and hardcore dance. The song hardly matters anymore (sadly), as long as it leads to a heavy breakdown. Im not even sure if it's a matter of liking the breakdown or not, it's just the green light to flail your limbs, without fail.

Many hardcore fankids like death metal and the like, but they don't listen to it because they "get bored" at the live shows. As in, they can't dance, and think regular moshes are stupid. That's why bands with tons of breakdowns are popular, and this is also why 'deathcore' is growing in popularity

So in conclusion..... you won't get noticed unless you overuse breakdowns!

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so they should play what's in their heart ..but only if it's technical and complex??

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im sure he means to stop doing breakdowns just because little hardcore kids want it, and start playing what YOU want to play. although, if these hardcore bands truly do want to play breakdowns, for reasons other than crowd pleasing/money making (doubtful, but equally possible), then maybe they already are playing whats in their hearts.

as far as i can tell, hardcore breakdowns all sound the same, to an extent, and whenever ive seen a tv commercial, usually with 3-4 band previews, they only show a short clip of a breakdown, which gives NO insight to how the band sounds (otherwise), and makes it seem as though hardcore is one continuous breakdown, to people like me, who have only heard/seen these commercials.

Simple, we don't play metal to get noticed, we play metal because we're bored and pissed off and have a message.

We play fast throughout each song, replace where a breakdown would be with a well written bridge with a headbangable riffs.

Hardcore dancers are annoying, I beat the shit out of them in pits whenever I see them hardcore dancing to death metal. Damn scenesters.

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Hardcore dancing is fucking hilarious... :P especially when people get kicked in the head but when that happened you have to expect to get beaten really..

doing a breakdown because you want to be popular is gay, but so is doing *anything* just to please a certain crowd. but if you want to use a breakdown, then do it, and don't avoid it because it's "not metal enough" ..that is also gay.

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you are morons.

ill be honest though, after reading a few more comments...haha.


i do "metalcore" or w/e the fuck you wanna call it just because i am bored, its fun getting together with friends that like that style music as well, and its fun as shit on stage. i like to see the kids beating the hell out of each other while listening to your music (why it makes ppl do that...dunno...but who cares), and i like the kids in front who try to scream back the lyrics but dont say anything CLOSE to what you are saying.


:-) not to get popular...not to do this or that. just the rock n roll feel of things. i mean yeah, having 600 ppl show up to one of our shows and then having 100+ them leaving comments on your page on how it was....or getting another 3 thousand plays that next day...yeah thats cool.. (popular i guess you could say)

but the real excitement is on stage. thats obvious.


oh and PS-


breakdowns are fun as shit to play. kids go nuts...the band barely has to use any talent playing them, and its more easy for them to go fucking crazy and jump into crowd or jump off the house speakers. :-)

Sounds like the same thing as a rap concert to me.

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and rap concerts are fucking awesome. haha. ;-)

Metalcore; Rap for the white folk. And for the people smart enough to save money on karate lessons just by going to a hardcore show.

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Except metalcore sucks and this Adam fucka is all shit.

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Who said rap didn't?

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I was clearly implying that.

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Well that's kinda fuckin' sad, whatever happened to just writing good riffs? And exactly when did every "slow part" magically transform into a "breakdown" in the last 5 years?
I don't understand how one could be "bored" at a good DM show, especially when they like the music in the first place. Can't dance? Why am I even asking, it's a death metal show, not the fucking prom. Don't like moshing? Then just bang your head, don't start hardcore dancing because you have to show everyone what an idiot you are because you have ADD and shit.
Damn right.

This whole new crop of deathcore/metalcore/emocore/hxc-core bullshit is further evidence that 80's and early 90's hardcore music influence has been so diluted that it sadly doesn't mean shit anymore.

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Emocore was a part of 80s hardcore. Lawlz

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And all those bands sucked too. How they all worshipped Hüsker Dü is beyond me.
It's like Good Charolette citing Extreme Noise Terror as an influence.

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A whole genre is shitty?



My band has a few songs that have metalcoreish riffs but we dont have any breakdowns.Our bridges actually get faster....

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Well after reading through this, it seems to me that the majority of the music you play isn't meant to be serious at all, but simply to get a single effect out of a crowd.

All of that is fine, but I would think the the fun in being a musician is in writing music that challenges you, listening to it, and being around others that enjoy your creativity, and not watching dumb fucks, beat the shit out of each other because it's the "metal" thing to do.

But after all you do what you do because you're bored, so none of that really matters.

On that note, a more creative thread idea would have. "Anyone in here in bands that use good breakdowns?"

1. ridiculous statement
2. you do it because the kids like it, and you want them to continue, yet you say its "not to get popular".


you must be so proud

You should be even prouder.

And why do people try to argue with Cannibal? Well, now you don't have to.

why, because i pointed out how this Adam t, directly denoted the simplicity of his own musical talent and genre?

proud? no. im gonna have to go with neutral.