Well, I came across a deal under strange circumstances.

Just came back from a party, but when I arrived to it I noticed a Crate head+cab sitting in the bar. Curious, I asked what purpose it was serving. I was told it was a fully functional bar door and shelf. It turned out the owner just bought it, has played it only twice or so, and is going to another country so he can't take it with him and he wants to sell it. It's supposedly brand new.

Anyway, here's a link to exactly what's on offer, a Crate GT3500H and GT412SL slanted cab:
http://www.music123.com/Crate-GT350...t-i159376.music

I suppose he bought in a deal aswell.

He's offering $800 AU for both. Reckon it's worth a try?

thats pretty damn cheap man. If you liek the tone, go for it.

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Nice find! The Shockewave is pretty metal for a SS amp and they get fucking loud! AUD $800 ( $666 USD ) seems a fair price, but I think you could talk the price down even more. Take a guitar over to see if you like the way it sounds and to make sure everything works. Good luck.

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pretty nice if you like the uber saturated old-ish dying fetus tone, the shockwave just does the solid state high saturated high gain tone, the lead isnt that great on it, im not realy a fan to be honest, my mate has one and its not very.... i forget the word but basically you cant dial that many tones into it.

its pretty good for the price, and if its the matching shockwave cab, the cab is very good anyway.

and its fucking loud

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Versatile is the word you're looking for. Technically it's based on the Ampeg VH140C, so if it sounds anything like it in person it will have a killer clean channel and the most bonecrushing high gain grind you will ever get out of a SS, and a wealth of tube amps.

For 666$(now that's a fucking evil price), it's not bad, but you should try talking the priced down a little more. Or preferably, asking him to sell you just the head, and invest money into a better cab than the one it comes with.

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That's a pretty good deal man, I'd deffo go for it, though try talking them down in price a bit more! I'm after one of these amps myself, sexy sex

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John, if you dont buy it, I will!
Seriously dude, make sure he doesnt sell it elsewhere. Sell your feg-xt and bandit and buy it!
If not man, tell him i'll take it for $700 cash.
BTW, I suppose your dancing practice paid off!

ALSO, its a little unrealistic to compare it to US prices, because gear costs more relatively to that of the states (especially second-hand). That price really is a steal, and if you can get it lower, hell yes.

Problematic, you should try bargaining down as much as possible seeing as some online shops like AmericanMusical.com are selling the Crate GT3500H Shockwave for $260.

Now check this : according to some dudes on this Harmony Central Forum thread the Crate GT3500H Shockwave is a "reissue" of the Ampeg VH-140c. However some guy mailed a Crate/Ampeg dealer and he told him that the Crate VTX350 has the two channels of the Ampeg VH140C plus an additional third overdrive channel. Another guy called them and found out the VTX shares the SAME preamp circutry of the VH140c on two of those three channels. Second opinions anyone?

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the shockwave sounds pretty cool, nice clean and cool lead tone, the rythm was a bit shitty though , cool amp

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Well, Jon, I'm probably gonna pass this on to you, as I talked with my mum, who says I don't need a big amp etc., I'm fucking cut, I'll give you his number later. This would be great for me right now but its too bad as my parents don't realise this. Especially after people are saying its a decent amp especially for that price, damn.

It's not the SAME circuitry, the Flexwave 5 preamp that Crate rubs in everyone's faces is modeled after the Ampeg's, but even the slightest differences in design will have a huge impact on the sound. The Crates do not have the same poweramp the ampeg has for example too, which is a part of the Ampeg's sound as well. Plus Ampegs were american made with american parts, Crates are mass produced with far inferior quality parts in Asia, so it's most certainly not identical.

The GT3500 is definitely NOT a reissue of the VH140C, don't let anyone convince you otherwise, it sounds nowhere near as great, but is still decent for what it sells for these days, and for what it is. The Crate GX-130C also is very close to the SS-140C but doesn't sound dead on like the real deal Ampegs.

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Just as I expected + more, thanks for clearing that up.

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Well, if you wanted an example of the tone check out the Cannibal Corpse album "The Bleeding", I fucking love it!

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I just got a Crate GX-130C head and was wondering if it matters the ohm's of the cab I buy for it?


THank you.

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It's solidstate. Check how low ohmage it's stable in, probably 2 ohms. Any ohmage above the stable level works. Low ohmage means shitload of volume, high ohmage means tighter sound (higher dampening factor).

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I beleive it is 4 ohms. It is a stereo head and has 2 65 watt out puts and I am trying to find out how to hook it up to a cab if the head has 2 outputs.


Peter

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U need either 2 cabs with 1 input or 1 cab with 2 inputs.

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Hey Soeru,

I am hoping you can clear this up for me or make it clearer.

So I am assuming I can get 2 cabs and have one 65 watt going to one cab and the other 65 watt going to the other cab.

But in my case I am going to get only one cab. Would I ONLY use one of the 65 watt outputs to the cab or get a Y connector and use the Y connection from the head (both 65 watt outputs) and have the other end of the Y that will be only one connection go into the cab?

Now this question…………Each 65 watt output is 4 ohms, so if I was going to use 2 cabs I am assuming each cab would need to be 4 ohms mono. If I am only using one cab while using the Y cable would I need an 8 ohm cab stereo? If I was using 2 cables from the head to the cab would I need 2, 4 ohm mono connections on the back of the cab?

I am not clear at all on this issue at all.

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No, no y connector needed, just buy any cab that can be run in stereo(has 2 inputs).

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2, 4 ohm stereo inputs or 2, 4 ohm mono inputs?

If I was going to order a cab from Vader or Avatar how would I tell them to wire the cab?

Peter

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Just tell them that you have a head with 2 seperate poweramps at 4 ohms each, they'll know what to do.

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Hey Soeru, I am sure you sick of helping and answering my questions but...

This is what is reads on the back of the amp for each 2 outputs (2 left and 2 right):

65W RMS @ 8 Ohms
4 ohm Min. Load

2 left speaker outputs and 2 right speaker outputs for a total of 4 outputs.

I am "assuming" each speaker output is 4 ohms and so the 2 left combind are 8, and the 2 right combind are 8, right?

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If I had 2 cabs I would want them both to be 4 ohm/mono (1 input each cab).

If I had one cab I would want 2, 4 ohm/mono inputs?

I am asking as if I buy a used cab localy I want to make sure I am buying the correct cab for what I got.

Thanks again SO much dude and to anyone else that can help!!!


Peter

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Hey Peter, I don't know if you read my last post in the Best cabs + speakers for a VH140c thread but basically you'd want to get any cab that has a configuration like this. That's a pic of the jackplate of a Mesa Boogie Standard Rectifier 4 X 12. It's got two mono inputs split for stereo wired at 4 ohms as well as a standard 8 ohm input.

If you get one cab with that configuration:
The outputs would go into each mono jack for each side. So I'm pretty sure you'd have both cables coming out from the "left" channels going into both amp inputs, as is the usual mono scheme for most gear.

If you get two cabs:
They would have to have two inputs each wired stereo @ 4 ohms a side. Then the two from "left" would go into the "left" cab while the two from "right" would go into the right cab.

I talked to Adam from Vader cabs about this whole issue and he said that Vader does all their cabs 2 mono jacks ran parallel, and if you wanted to get them rewired stereo @ 4 ohms each side, it'd be no extra cost.


Exactly. When it says "4 Ohm min. load" that basically means you need at least one line from the head plugged into a stereo cab to hear any noise, because each output dishes out 4 ohms individually (but this is not recommended because it's not the right way to run it.)

Yeah it's hard to get a grasp of if you're not used to it, I'm sure the same wiring insanity doesn't apply to tube amps. It's like you need a P.H.D. in electronics to be permitted to unleash the solid-state brutality.

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What up dude, yeah I checked out your other thread and it was very interesting and also made me a bit more confused....LOL

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I think that I wold have one from the left and one from the right as to get the full 130 watt power. if I was using only the left side I would only be getting 65 watts of power.

Anyone know for sure?

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I thought if I had 2 cab I would have only 1 left from head going to one cab and 1 right from head would go to the other cab. I think this head is made to be able to power 4 cabs.

Yeah, like you mentioned in the info from Vader Cabs. If Vader cabs rewired 1 stereo cab @ 4 ohms each side, then from the crate head you would have one from the left output and one from the right output again to get both power amps and the full 130 watts of power.

I really want/need to know what the fuck I am doing.

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Oh yeah, the head as 2 inputs for the guitar:

-6db and 0db

What one should I be using?

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I think this is what a singel cab shold look like:

http://i10.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/97/14/82f1_1_sbl.JPG

This cab:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Crate-Blue-Vood...1QQcmdZViewItem

Was made for heads like the GX130C. The Crate BV412S Stereo 4x12 Cabinet-160Watts from what others have told me are a good cab.

Anyone know?

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Good deal?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Crate-Celestion...1QQcmdZViewItem


For a death metal cab?

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