OK I am sick and tired of waiting. What is the news on this Fat Plate? The Plate you can place over your Floyd Rose route and put a Kahler on it? I've heard about this like last year. I haven't heard any news if it's out or not. I am looking to switch my Floyd to a Kahler and I am really getting pissy about waitng. I've even phoned Kahler and stuff and they really didn't give me a clear answer. SO WHEN IS THIS GODDAMN THING COMING OUT!

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I heard Floyd threatened Kahler with a lawsuit if they released "The Plate" based on design infringement. Something like, Floyd Rose is pissed because Kahler doesn't have rights to mention their name in "The Plate" design. Seems the lawsuit claims Kahler would have to reverse engineer their design and licence's to make the plate actually work... Floyd is claiming infringement. I don't know for certain if this lawsuit is true but I would bet that Floyd wants Kahler gone again. Now is the best time for Floyd to act while Kahler is just beginning again and Floyd has 10 years unchallenged profit behind them. I've noticed many guitars coming out this year are equipped with OEM Kahler bridges vs licenced Floyd's.

Lawyer bills nearly killed Kahler in the early 90's when Asian manufactures started making Kahler copies without a licence. Kahler where all original and they wanted to stay that way, but legal bills about killed them to fight the copies. They never licenced shit to no one.

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FUCK! I might as well just get that stupid Kerry King guitar. Are there any companies who have lower case guitars with a Kahler already on them or is B.C. Rich the only one?

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The Fender Heavy Metal (HM) Strat used to..........dunno if that helps.... You could probably pick one up on ebay for $400-500.

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My band is going to record soon and we are playing in either C# or C. I promised myself i'd get a Kahler on my next guitar. I was going to Replace my Warlock's Floyd with a Kahler but since that idea is down the drain I guess I gotta buy a new guitar. String through so I can place a Kahler on it. Or just get that stupid Kerry King Warlock with the Kahler already on it.

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I have a kahler Question as well. When it says only top routing required, what does that mean?, you still need the big ass hole with all the springs right? Sorry for sounding dumb, but I couldn't find that anywhere else.

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I just did a little research and found all that out. I'm very interested in the system. Do you think the Hybrid series is worth using? It seems to be made from a different metal, but it is actually affordable.

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i heard they didn't dive as much as OFR"s is that true?

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Depends on what you mean. With Floyds the actual bridge moves up and down. With Kahler the strings are on rollers so no matter how far you push the bar down the strings don't fall off the neck like a Floyd. Kahlers have more pull up and are easier to move the bar. I think you can pick you guitar up by the bar without it damaging anything. Try that with a FLoyd and the strings snap right off or worse the bridge comes out!

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which bridge would you say is better for going up and down in genereal

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Well depends on if you have a flat top guitar (Ibanez, Jackson, B.C. Rich ect ect) or a carved top guitar (Les Paul ect ect).

2200 series is for carved
2300 series is for Flat

I personally recomend Slayer's signature bridge the 2315.

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ill check it out

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Bullshit, I've done that a few times in all my floyd guitars and it comes out in perfect tune.

If you're gonna get a Kahler for your guitar, expect to spend AT LEAST 400$ on it because of the routing you're gonna have to do to it, plus the locking nut installation. Kahlers are expensive bridges, I would personally not bother with them because good ol Floyds/Schallers are far more common, inexpensive, and easier to set up in my experience. Reliability is pretty much the same, but I'd rather deal with a Floyd as I'm so used to it and they're so easy to use and to find replacement parts for.

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OK then your lucky.

I dunno it really depends. You like Floyds cause you are used to them. I'm more used to Floyds, i've tried Kahlers and I like them better. They are expensive but I just find them easier to use. It's all personal oppinion really.

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I use a floyd on my current guitar but im realy tempted to find one with a kahler, im realy into the whole design of them, much better thought out than floyds i think, the fact that its only a small plate that pivots inside an outside plate is realy good. im definatly gonna get one on my next guitar especially if i can buy a string through body and just put one on there.

also is there as much leverage as a floyd rose on a kahler? for example can you pull off the huge dives etc.

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Not really, I've played MANY floyded guitars, have owned/gone through a total of 5, 2 of which had crappy licensed trems, and currently own 3 all with Floyds(1 OFR, 1 Schaller, 1 Ibanez Edge Pro) and this never ever happens and I really abuse the trems with my Azagthoth worship.

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all hailz trey

how much do you think it would cost from a luthier to route a trem cavity and install the floyd rose?

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I was talking about like the Vai thing where you just pick up the guitar with the bar without holding the neck or anything. I guess it only breaks with licenced trems.

The one thing I hate about Floyds is you can't do various forms of palm mute like you can do with a Kahler. And Floyds stick out far to much. And They are not as easy to install. Like more routing is required.

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It can dive down I think 2+ Octaves and raise up 1 octave I belive. but like I said. The strings don't fall off the neck. With Floyds the strings are attached to the bridge and the actual bridge moves. With a Kahler each string is on a roller so no matter how far you push the bar down it will always have a tone. Also you can place the trem bar at multiple positions on the bridge. Like you can put the bar at the middle or even at the top I belive on some trems.

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can you not palm mute upper strings with floyds?

you can...

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from what casketcrusher said, it sounded like you couldn't

Absolute nonsense, I do that Vai thingy on my Ibanez and it's a licensed trem(given it's a lo pro Edge 7). Not something I do often as I suck at that kind of acrobatics though.

It doesn't "break". The only trems that will break on you are those on chinese guitars, even the crappy korean made BC Rich trems are pretty hard steel.

Floyd's DO NOT stick out too much, no where near as much as a fixed bridge does, especially not the recessed "lo pro" trems like the Ibanez or OFR Pro's. The standard Schaller and OFR I have have dead low action.

Also, what the hell are you talking about with the palm mutes? Hello, have you never heard of the thousands of metal bands that palm mute just fine with FR's? You can do every god damn thing with an OFR that you can with a Kahler. No offense man but seriously stop talking out of your ass. Kahlers are different from FR's PERIOD, not better, not worse.

Damn straight. Probably costs a lot less to route for a floyd than for a kahler, because they're far more common. If he knows what scale your guitar is he'll probably only need to do minor measurements, but installing a Kahler would be more time consuming even if there's less wood to route, because he'll need to get the templates for it or whatever, and probably just use it as a bullshit excuse to charge you more.

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I'm saying with Floyds due to the Fine tunners and actual floating bride it limits you were you can palm mute. I find you can't do various forms of palm mute. Like slight palm mutes. Kahlers are lower and closer to the body. With Floyds the actual bridge itself moves as opposed to the strings.

Like compare these two

http://data.muzikus.cz/save/db_images/17242
http://www.carvinmuseum.com/images/...pink-kahler.jpg

Now this is all IMO. If you figured out a way you can do various degrees of palm mute or do the Vai thing or whatever. That's great. But IMO Kahlers are better. They give off a lot more sustain and are buit a lot better than FLoyds.

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sick cuz i have some money and i really want a trem on my guitar. it is the only thing that i want more from it.

check her out

A kahler should go into that with very little routing involved. The edges of the routing will be behind the base of the Kahler. Black paint on the fresh routed wood will protect it.

I couldn't think of a better stock guitar to put a Kahler on. It is a simple mod and it would make it a beautiful guitar

Just find someone that knows what they are doing.

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a kahler? i was thinking of an OFR, but a kahler wiouldn't have to be routed would it? ill have to think about this considering kahler systems are very pricey

edit- thanks souli

Kahler trems are pricey because they are built like tanks. Much more reliable than Floyd Rose's as well in my opinion. Slayer use Kahler 2315's and that's good enough for me!

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I just hit the proverbial jackpot.

I work at guitar center, and some guy came in and bought some pick ups off me, asked him what kind of guitar etc, standard questions, turns out he just took a Kahler out of this old gibson V and didnt want it, needless to say I asked him for it. He brought it up to me the next day, it's silver and gold and needs to cleaning up, but it's a fucking Kahler, for free. This is the kick in the ass I need to start building a guitar because I'm dying to put this in a guitar.

I still can't believe I got a Kahler for free.

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You lucky fuck! Is it the archtop type Kahler or a flat mount? Gibson used both in the 80's. Either way, you did score even if you have to replace a few parts I hope it works well for your project guitar.

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