I am the vocalist in my band, and on wednesday during our practice, my guitar player switched spots with me, and I learned that I had the natural ability to play the fuck out of the guitar.

Anyway, I decided to learn guitar, so I can play rhythem, and our guitarist can focus on shredding up the lead. I know being able to scream and play rhythem at the same time will come in time... but...

I am trying to get some feedback on what guitar to get. I need something that is styled and designed more for death metal playing...and also very affordable.

I found a nice deal on a BC Rich Son of Beast guitar, and I am curious if anyone has had any experience with that guitar.

Any buying advice for a beginner axe man is appreciated.

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BC Richs in general suck. There all for looks. If you are in a band go for something a little bit more highclass. Maybe a cheap ibanez rg.

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Just get guitars that sound good and are comfortable to you (I know you can't really make that decision because you're a beginner). Please don't be childish and get guitars that look ridiculous cuz they "look metal", that's for 12 year olds. I suggest LTD's or Jacksons.

westone are cheap, look decent and best of all are a dream to play

i like eastwoods... but some of them arent cheap... theyre mostly mid range (500-800)... though they do have some in the low 300 ranges.

Another thing, Music123.com is having a HUGE sale on washburns...

http://www.music123.com/Washburn-WG...6b-3d86edf1cf23
http://www.music123.com/Search/Defa...7210+4294940587

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Somebody posted about a decent 7 string being sold at http://www.music123.com/Washburn-WG...ar-i20396.music. You could try one of those. A 7 string will help a lot with death metal.

Maybe a Jackson, Krammer, or an Ibanez.

That's bullshit. It's the same with any other manufacturer that makes mass produced asian guitars. Plenty of RG's are built like crap and feel like plywood.

Whatever feels comfortable to you man. Although in particular that BCR isn't really decent quality.

How can you suggest to not get "metal guitars" and suggest LTD's and Jacksons in the same sentence?

Just let us know what is your spending limit. Off the top of my head:

Jackson MG and XT series.
BC Rich NT series.
Old BC Rich NJ's.
Ibanez RG550.
Charvel Model series
Charvettes.
Kramer Striker series, or Vanguard/Imperial if you want something pointier.
300$+ ESP Ltd.'s
Dean X series.

You can find great guitars for wicked cheap these days.

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BC Rich suck. I went to a store and tried some Zombie model, peice of shit. And a warlock, Uggh, vomit. They suck. Also tried that dumb looking egg shell one that tripp rex eisen used, its dumb.

Kramer from what i have heard are tobular. cheap, well made, and one of my favourite guitarists plays them.

check out kramer and westone

Ok, what models? There's not just 1 warlock and 1 Zombie you know. Same way there's not only ONE Ibanez RG, you play an RG220 or 270 and you will be unimpressed, play a Japanese made 550 and you will shit your pants.

If you played Rave, Platinum, and Plat. Pro series guitars it's no different than playing Chinese/Korean Kramer Pacers and Focuses. Plywood pieces of shit. You can't judge any brand solely based on their import models, because hey, Ibanez and ESP make horrid pieces of shit too.

But +1 on Kramer strikers.

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I have played 1000 doller bc richs and hated them. I find them cheap and more of a gimmick that anything.

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Because LTD's and Jacksons sell guitars that aren't extreme shapes maybe? Ex: Superstrats, LP shapes, etc. By ridiculous metal guitars, I mean B.C. rich shit and Jackson Warriors, LTD AX. LTD's have the best deals IMO, for about $500, you can get pretty good quality and real pickups etc.......Oh I forgot, Shecters have good deals too.

As a guide, set a rough price range then go to a guitar store with the guitarist in your band - he'll give you better feedback than a forum full of bickering people that I'm not even sure can play guitar

From experience, just look into models that have two humbuckers and feel nice and solid. From here, explore the various differing factors such as neck shape and size (along with fret numbers and also the bridge system)

Chances are that the axe of destiny revolves more around what offers you can take advantage of, so I'd strongly recomend going into shops and thigns, as oppose to compiling secondary research and pointing your bank account in the direction of ebay

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If i were you man i would just go to a music store and jam out for a bit on alot of the mid priced axes they have. Last time i went i sat around dudes store for about 3 hours playing every jackson he had. Then the ones i liked i just kept them in mind. Slowly i would just go back and forth between the ones i liked and finally choice one. If your siruouse about buying one the guy at the music store will not give a shit if you sit around for hours.

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Thanks for all the feedback. I am going to a couple shops on friday when I get paid to see what I decide to get. I am going to look into the westone.

We'll see I guess.

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fuck, get the fucking washburn from music123. its fuckin 100$ for a 900$ guitar. You would be stupid NOT to get it.

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I'm having an extremely hard time believing that, because there really aren't any 1000$ BCR's in production(nor have there ever been, too expensive for an import instrument, way too cheap for a USA guitar), or the salesman was trying to rip you off. And if it was a used USA BC Rich(usually $2k+), it was either thrashed to hell, or you clearly know nothing about guitars.


How is a superstrat not a metal guitar? Why can't people accept that even non-discreet guitars can still play awesome? I suggest you pick up a WRXT or WRMG and proceed to tell me that it's a gimmick and only for looks.

Ltd's above the 400$ range are great. There's a neckthru superstrat(H? MH? I don't know the series) with a flametop and ebony fretboard that sells for around 500$.

I'm not particularly impressed by the C-1 series schecters(500$ ish?), I've played cheaper guitars that played better(eg: Jackson WRXT, KVX10, DXMG). Their neck profile is retarded, I don't know how the hell they're trying to market their guitars for metalheads, because no one really likes a fat neck.

I'd love to try their Hellraiser C-1's though, they look nice...

Edit:
bleeding: That Washburn 7-string used to cost that much when they were made in Japan, thus having better build quality. With time the WG series became cheaper as they moved their factories to Korea and finally China. So the last few runs of the WG587's are made in China. Doesn't mean they're crap though, they're still the same specs, but I've heard stories about the neck not being sanded properly, or some sloppy pickup cavity cutting.

Don't let that turn you off though, I'm sure it's still a killer guitar! Fucking tempting cuz I'm gonna be in the US in a few weeks, might have to give my brother the heads up for a UPS package.

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get a jackson SL1 soloist!!! Joking. I would probably go for a string thru Jackson Dinky considering he is a rythym guitarist and there would really be a need for a Whammy bar. Or if you really want that metal look you can always get a Dean Ml 79.


* By the way who ever said bc rich sucks is sadly mistaken. I've pkay my friend 500 dollar BC rich he got from GC and it wasn't bad at all.

Jacksons still rule

Goddammit, would you fucking read what I say completely? I didn't say "metal guitar" I said ridiculous, extreme looking guitars.

Finally someone that isn't blinded by half-assed subjectivity. My NJ Ironbird set me back 300 bones and that was with a case and EMG's included(yuk for me actually, but anyway). These 2000-2003 NJ series used to retail for about 600$ just like the new NT series(neckthru NJ's), which kick ass btw(Erik Rutan has been playing one live). Definitely worth it at their time, I just wish they put a little more effort into their stock pickups. Not real dimarzios but anything is better than a BSDM really...

And Silent, what's wrong with a more extravagant shape? It's all preference after all. Claiming that extravagant guitars generally lack in playability or value is absolute nonsense.

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There's absolutely nothing wrong with it, but getting it purely because "It looks sick" is an unacceptable reason. It really doesn't matter though, when the guitar is a POS.

I threw out a number. I have played 700/800 doller bc richs and yes they have sucked.

Superstrats can be played in alot of genres. i can play jazz on it or even blues. So to say its not metal is stupid

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You mean "to say it's metal"........is English your first language? I'm no Nazi, but your typos, grammar, etc. make things extremely difficult to read.

Fucking word. You can't beat that if you stole it.

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I've only played on one BC Rich and it was a Warlock, not even sure of the model don't ask, but I really didn't like it. This doesn't mean I'd count BC Rich out by any means. Maybe that one works for somebody else.

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I dont like thin necks, they ruin my wrist angle because the surface isnt round enough to get what i want. I'd say schecters are for a more hard rock feel. Ibanez's are renouned (sp?) for shredding and stuff... but schecters give me more of a hard rock/punk/hardcore vibe... more heavy rhythm playing instead of shredding so fast you can claim you taught god how to play guitar.

another thing, schecter was started to make high quality fender-esque products for WAYY cheaper, and full customizability. So the fender neck profile could have something to do with it... and thicker necks are more durable and resonate better, they tend to feel more alive in your hands... does that make sense?



Learn to understand abstract concepts. You can call a band metal, you can also say that a band is not metal. It makes perfect fucking sense.

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I don't even know what you're saying......... . On the other hand with his original comment, it does make sense in an odd way, but for the most part, it doesn't, because why would you say I can play blues, jazz on it, then say, "So it would be stupid to not call it metal"....

now that i read over the whole sentence a few times... it doesnt make sense hahahahah
the single statement did though... if you ditch the rest of the sentence.

anywyas... get the fuckin washburn, and if the neck sucks, take some sandpaper to it and make it your bitch.

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TO THE THREAD STARTER -

Best place for a westone is Ebay, they are no longer mass produced. second hand stores might have them if you are lucky.

Then you're wrong or you were being ripped off by a salesman, because the new NT series(600$ range) and their current NT Classic mockingbirds(only ones in the 700-800$ range) play like fucking dreams. I dare you to find a guitar with the same features and better playability under 800$.

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For what its worth, since I bought my Schecter Hellraiser Avenger I haven't once thought about another guitar (except as a backup). For the price, the sound, looks and playability is unmatched imo. I played a Jackson DKMG (EMG's as well) at the same time and not only was it uninspiring and awkward to play but it looks a good £200 cheaper in terms of its finish. I love pulling the Schecter out of the case, it always gets a 'oooo' response. Saying that, buying a guitar is a very personal preference, there's no such thing as the 'ultimate' or 'perfect' guitar for the masses, what works for some people doesn't work for others. I know others will say that a DKMG is way more playable than my Schecter, but for ME it was perfect. You really should go and try some out at your local guitar shop. Oh yeah and stop all the bitching people!!

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