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Need some help dialing in a sound with my gx130c.
I just installed my new x2n in my hamer and I'm playing through a crate gx130c. It's a 2x12 combo version. Anyway, i like the way it sounds but it's missing some chunk to the palm mutes and could use more gain. Would an eq pedal through the fx loop help or a sonic maximizer or something? What do people that run this amp do?
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Nah, you should be able to get a good sound just tweaking the knobs, it should have shitloads of gain as it is. But an EQ in the pedal is always a good idea, sonic maximizers not so much.
I'm going to the US at the end of the month for a week or so, I might pick up an Ampeg SS-70 or a Crate GX-40C to bring back with me. 
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2007-03-04, 07:59
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I must admit, I've just added a BBE Sonic Stomp to my list of pedals to buy. They may have a bad rep some places but just check out the reviews on Harmony-Central!! Sounds perfect for giving a slightly 'bigger' sound.
Dammit Soeru!! The only place I'm going on holiday this year is Monte Carlo and even if I did find an Ampeg, it'd probably be crazy-expensive!
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2007-03-04, 09:48
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Where is Monte Carlo? Ampegs aint so expensive pawned in the US or Canada, someone at HC pmed me about a SS-70C that he found at a flea market for 125$.
I'd get screwed for shipping costs though. 
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2007-03-04, 10:04
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I want a damn Ampeg so fucking bad.
Its rediculous.
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2007-03-04, 11:56
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Monte Carlo/ Monaco is a small province in Italy, ya know where all the rich people hang out.... I'm now 100% on the lookout for a VH-140C head as shipping on that shouldn't be too bad, even $150 is only about £80 so its just a case of either ebaying it or finding a private seller over in America.
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Oh, in italy? Don't bother looking for VH-140C's in all Europe man, I've been doing it for months. 
I think I might buy an Ampeg SS-35 I have an eye on for super cheap(they're 1x12"s like the SS-70, but less wattage, but I don't care!). I just need to find out if they sound anything like the 70/140 and VH-140C's, then I'll buy one for sure.
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2007-03-04, 13:10
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Yeah, to be honest I don't think I'll be going to the land of high-rise gaming and luxury only to rummage round a load of old pawn stores!!!  . I have a feeling that the Ampegs weren't sold outside of the US, If you google it there's literally 2 entries for UK only and one of them is my 'Want it Now' on eBay and the other is like the Joan Collins fanclub or something...... Good luck with finding one when you're over in America.
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Actually the SS series did get commercialized in europe, I've seen a 140 and a 70C on the German ebay. They'll show up extremely rarely in Europe though.
And in some of the VH140C reviews I read, there was a Swedish dude that bought it from the US, and some other people living outside of the US that had one too.
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2007-03-04, 17:16
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Having equalization in a V or W makes stuff sound chunkier.
You might already know this though..
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And fizzier.
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2007-03-04, 22:31
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Nah, you should be able to get a good sound just tweaking the knobs, it should have shitloads of gain as it is. But an EQ in the pedal is always a good idea, sonic maximizers not so much.
I'm going to the US at the end of the month for a week or so, I might pick up an Ampeg SS-70 or a Crate GX-40C to bring back with me. |
Yah it has enough gain but it's missing something. I'll have to experiment with a parametric eq or something. I'll have to get a 2x12 closed back cab too, make a small stack out of it.
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more chunk eh? Heres what i do for the chunky tone, dont make fun... it works hahaha.
With t3h marshall 6100lm:
Dime Bass
Dime Mids
Scoop Trebel completely
gain to 3 oclock
from there, i add in JUST enough trebel to get definition on the high strings
then i lay off the bass to a point where it isnt muddy or flubby or loose
If its still too loose sounding, i take off some gain and a tiny bit of mids.
This gets me the IDEAL chunky ass sound i use for my stoner/doom stuff. I like my tone to be the thickest it can be, and this is how i do it.
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more chunk eh? Heres what i do for the chunky tone, dont make fun... it works hahaha.
With t3h marshall 6100lm:
Dime Bass
Dime Mids
Scoop Trebel completely
gain to 3 oclock
from there, i add in JUST enough trebel to get definition on the high strings
then i lay off the bass to a point where it isnt muddy or flubby or loose
If its still too loose sounding, i take off some gain and a tiny bit of mids.
This gets me the IDEAL chunky ass sound i use for my stoner/doom stuff. I like my tone to be the thickest it can be, and this is how i do it.
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Yah that'll help. I think what it really needs is a closed back cab. The open back combo really doesn't help in the chunk department. I do have to say that I really like it. The X2N sounds really good too. My good 'ole 20 year old hamer is still serving it up.
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Oh yea, closed back cab for sure. You arent going to get nearly the bass response necessary out of an open back cab.
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2007-03-06, 06:49
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Oh yea, closed back cab for sure. You arent going to get nearly the bass response necessary out of an open back cab.
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My Framus 2x12 cab is awesome, cost me 260 euros here, it has v30's. It's closed back sure, but it doesn't have all that much bass response as you'd expect, less you're really cranking the volume and bass then it can pass for a 4x12.
If a combo lacks lowend before you go and buy a new cab try an EQ in the loop and boost some bass, you might get a better sound without having to invest in a new cab. If you want a supermassive sounding 2x12 check out a Genz Benz G-Flex as they're ported like bass cabs/subwoofers, and have the same if not more bass response than a typical 4x12. The stock speakers they have are cool but some people hate em.
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I got a battery for my danelectro 7 band eq and it really made a big difference. I used the effects loop and this amp really came alive. Much chunkier without coloring the sound. I'm suprised more people don't use the gx130c, it really is a great amp.
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I got a battery for my danelectro 7 band eq and it really made a big difference. I used the effects loop and this amp really came alive. Much chunkier without coloring the sound. I'm suprised more people don't use the gx130c, it really is a great amp.
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A lot of people do use it, it's rare these days too(but still fairly cheap), because a lot of the owners like the sound of it and they know if they try to sell it, they won't make squat money from doing it. It's a discontinued series. Best SS amp Crate ever made probably.
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I got a battery for my danelectro 7 band eq and it really made a big difference. I used the effects loop and this amp really came alive. Much chunkier without coloring the sound. I'm suprised more people don't use the gx130c, it really is a great amp.
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How do you use the EQ in the loop?
Guitar --> EQ --> amp loop?
What if I wanted to use my Boss NS-2 Noise Suppressor Pedal, Boss CS-3 Compression Sustainer Pedal, and my Boss TU-2 Chromatic Tuner as well as the Boss GE-7 Equalizer Pedal?
Would it go something like this?
Guitar --> EQ --> FX retun --> FX send --> Compression Pedal -->Noise Supp Pedal --> Tuner --> back into amp?
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How do you use the EQ in the loop?
Guitar --> EQ --> amp loop?
What if I wanted to use my Boss NS-2 Noise Suppressor Pedal, Boss CS-3 Compression Sustainer Pedal, and my Boss TU-2 Chromatic Tuner as well as the Boss GE-7 Equalizer Pedal?
Would it go something like this?
Guitar --> EQ --> FX retun --> FX send --> Compression Pedal -->Noise Supp Pedal --> Tuner --> back into amp?
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I just hooked the eq pedal to the fx loop. My guitar is straight into the amp. I'm not sure about the other gear, i don't really play with much other than eq and a tuner.
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How do you use the EQ in the loop?
Guitar --> EQ --> amp loop?
What if I wanted to use my Boss NS-2 Noise Suppressor Pedal, Boss CS-3 Compression Sustainer Pedal, and my Boss TU-2 Chromatic Tuner as well as the Boss GE-7 Equalizer Pedal?
Would it go something like this?
Guitar --> EQ --> FX retun --> FX send --> Compression Pedal -->Noise Supp Pedal --> Tuner --> back into amp?
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When using the loop, you dont plug your guitar into any pedals, guitar goes straight into the amp. The FX send goes into your pedal chain and then at the end of the chain you plug it into the FX return.
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2007-04-16, 19:28
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When using the loop, you dont plug your guitar into any pedals, guitar goes straight into the amp. The FX send goes into your pedal chain and then at the end of the chain you plug it into the FX return.
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Ahhhhhh.....I have never tried that, I alway pluged my guitar into the pedals and then into the cab. So it should be like this?
Amp: FX Send --> pedals --> FX Retun and then the guitar directly into the amp.
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I'm thinking mono if you are using one cab and stereo if you are using two. Mono should be the left FX return.
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Ahhhhhh.....I have never tried that, I alway pluged my guitar into the pedals and then into the cab. So it should be like this?
Amp: FX Send --> pedals --> FX Retun and then the guitar directly into the amp.
I have a FX return left and right, one is mono, What FX return should I use?
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Yes that is correct, and you would probably be using mono.
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Thank you guys very much for the FX Loop info. I never knew!!!
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