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Old 2007-02-11, 17:39
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Terrorizer Top 20 Bands of All Time

Well, I was having a bit of a clean in my room today and stumbled upon Terrorizer issue 100 which, as part of the magazine's celebration of reaching that particular landmark, contained their list of the top 20 bands of all time. It went something like this:

1. Black Sabbath
2. Iron Maiden
3. Slayer
4. Motorhead
5. Napalm Death
6. Death
7. Metallica
8. Venom
9. Morbid Angel
10. Judas Priest
11. Celtic Frost
12. Carcass
13. Bathory
14. Discharge
15. Emperor
16. Godflesh
17. At The Gates
18. Neurosis
19. Possessed
20. Voivod

One can't argue with that list for the main part but I'm sure some of you may believe that there are a couple of notable exceptions. So then, thoughts and musings; are these the 20 best and most influential bands that the metal genre has produced?
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Old 2007-02-11, 17:58
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Discharge is the only one i dont recognize. so, if i recognize 19 out of 20 of the "greatest bands of all time", i cant say i think that one should be included.

and i dont mean to say they arnt/werent important, i think its clear what i mean.
 
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I cant say I completely agree with it, but I think its decent enough.

Although its probably a sin to not have Mayhem up there, but hey, whatever.
 
Old 2007-02-11, 18:27
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I cant say I completely agree with it, but I think its decent enough.

Although its probably a sin to not have Mayhem up there, but hey, whatever.
Mayhem are the Motley Crue of black metal. Any one of the three black metal bands listed up there pWn3 the hell out of that band.
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Old 2007-02-11, 18:31
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decent list, i see a few bands missing but im not even sure how old this magazine is.
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Old 2007-02-11, 18:40
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Mayhem are the Motley Crue of black metal. Any one of the three black metal bands listed up there pWn3 the hell out of that band.

Not really. Like it or not, Mayhem was responsible for developing the black metal scene into what it is today. There wouldnt even be an Emperor if Euronymous hadnt influenced Samoth to create it. Theres a reason there's a tribute to Mayhem album; they are by far the most respected group within the black metal community.
 
Old 2007-02-11, 19:16
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Mayhem are the Motley Crue of black metal. Any one of the three black metal bands listed up there pWn3 the hell out of that band.


yea, that is just pretty much bullshit.

i think slayer are way too high on the list.
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Discharge is the only one i dont recognize. so, if i recognize 19 out of 20 of the "greatest bands of all time", i cant say i think that one should be included.

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me too never heard of em so... *mad dash to metal-archives*
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Number 4 shoud be ABOVE number 3, BY MILES.
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Ok, I've never heard of Discharge either. Maybe Mayhem should be in their place instead because I too agree that they are an important band in the metal scene (basically starting black metal).
 
Old 2007-02-11, 20:52
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John, when was issue 100 out of curiosity, i'm assuming this is a fairly old (few years at least) list?
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Old 2007-02-11, 21:26
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Ok, I've never heard of Discharge either. Maybe Mayhem should be in their place instead because I too agree that they are an important band in the metal scene (basically starting black metal).


Without Discharge you probably wouldn't have Mayhem.

And Terrorizer is on issue 154. So you're looking at nearly 5 years ago I guess.

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Without Discharge you probably wouldn't have Mayhem.

And Terrorizer is on issue 154. So you're looking at nearly 5 years ago I guess.


Really? Oh, well then I'm assuming they are an older metal band then. What era are they from?

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Old 2007-02-11, 23:57
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Probably the only commercial magazine list (top 10 whatevers, best 5 somethings, etc.) I've ever seen which is mostly correct.
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Old 2007-02-12, 00:17
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I'd say that's a pretty good list. Is it exact to what I think? No. Does that matter for a second? No. Personally I'm not really into Discharge, but they influenced a hell of a lot of bands I do enjoy. Should Motorhead be ahead of Slayer? Not in my opinion, but who cares, as they both should be high on the list as they are. I can think of other bands that COULD be there (Cannibal Corpse, Kreator, Sodom etc.) but I can't see anyone who should overwhelmingly be bumped.
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you know i think kreator is a pretty influential band, because on pleasure to kill, there were veery very strong glimpses into the future of death metal, they didn't rreally stay the course but still
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Without Discharge you probably wouldn't have Mayhem.

With out Discharge you wouldn't have either of these:

5. Napalm Death

7. Metallica
8. Venom
9. Morbid Angel

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Sorry all, this issue is from 2001.

I have a manic fear of umlauts, hence the omission.
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Old 2007-02-12, 09:21
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They were down in the 60's or 70's (the list was actually a top 100, but I'm fucked if I'm reproducing it in it's entirety).
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Old 2007-02-12, 14:12
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With out Discharge you wouldn't have either of these:

5. Napalm Death

7. Metallica
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9. Morbid Angel

12. Carcass



or Slayer.

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Yeah, Discharge definitely seems to be widely unrecognized for speeding up metal, despite that they're a punk band. I've heard some say that they themselves actually did start speed metal (although I don't completely agree). After all, let us not forget that if it weren't for punk, generally speaking, speed/thrash would have never been.
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Yeah, Discharge definitely seems to be widely unrecognized for speeding up metal, despite that they're a punk band. I've heard some say that they themselves actually did start speed metal (although I don't completely agree). After all, let us not forget that if it weren't for punk, generally speaking, speed/thrash would have never been.

They became a thrash band. They belong higher on the list.
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They became a thrash band. They belong higher on the list.


So, Discharge was a punk band who played with speed and became thrash? Very cool, and I'm surprised now that I haven't heard of them before!!
 
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I think the album earth AD helped a little bit w/ thrash, but still made by a punk band
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I'm taken aback by how good this list is. It's not my list, for sure, but for a list compiled in a popular magazine, it's fucking good. The main bands left out that I would have are Deep Purple and Megadeth. I definitely would have left Godflesh off the list. Other than that, every band on the list is either popular, good, or highly influential- in most cases all three.

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So, Discharge was a punk band who played with speed and became thrash? Very cool, and I'm surprised now that I haven't heard of them before!!


Suicidal Tendencies, too.

Punk is inherently fast, and thrash metal can be described as traditional metal infused with punk elements. If you think about it, it's not altogether unnatural for a punk band to morph into thrash or vice versa.
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it just pisses me off when I see black sabbath at the top of the list.
if your going for influential than that is A-OK because that is what they are
but i think Sleep is better at being sabbath than sabbath is at being sabbath. they are pretty damn underrateed
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I don't see them as death metal in the least. Experimental doom that inspired so many bands. I just can't like them for some reason.
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Black Sabbath invariably top these sort of metal lists because in 99.99% of cases they've influenced every band below them, either directly or indirectly, to produce the music that they do.

If I get enough people wanting to see from 21-100 I'll post the rest.
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If I get enough people wanting to see from 21-100 I'll post the rest.

Just do it in incriments of 10. Over the next couple of days or so. That way we can discuss only a few at a time.
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This has been a good thread, so yeah I'd like to see the rest of the list.
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Just put up the parts of the list that will get people to complain the most loudly. Louder the better. I should be able to hear keys tapped in furious anger through all the snow in Chicago.
 
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id put bad brains up but it isnt a direct influence on metal, just the drumming.

the reason why i say it, is because they were pretty much the first band that had songs clock in around 230-240bpm with quarternote thrashbeats, but this a real far stretch and it would require explaining where a list should be straight up.

this list is good.

motorhead and discharge are overwhelmingly important for this list and im glad to see them mentioned. harsh vocals pretty much started with discharge, which was, for thier time, a nod to lemmy's rusty,whiskey rawed vocal delivery.

huge impact on death metal and grindcore during the 80s
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I'll start putting them up in chunks of twenty tonight when I get home. Depending on time, the whole list should be up by the weekend.
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I guess the only problem with such lists is that they are subjective and people will invariably have their own opinion and cry and stomp when Cannibal Corpse aren't mentioned or something(Have you noticed it's usually Cannibal Corpse fans!?). I have to agree it is a pretty tight list, I have no complaints with the top 10. But then Terrorizer isn't what I would call a really popular/metal magazine as it caters for the brutal end of the spectrum and it does try to cover the many strains of extreme music. Just recently they've been doing retrospectives on death metal and grind which made me very happy indeed

And yes Sabbath should be on top, this dirty loud detuned cacophony started with them
 
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Well only idiots whine and cry over such things. I definitely think Cannibal Corpse is the most influential DM band ever, but then again someone else might say Morbid Angel and not necessarily be wrong.
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Cannibal Corpse is more influential but less innovative than Death or Morbid Angel (or a bunch of other bands, for that matter). Since the list of 'best bands' has to try to find some balance between (among many other elements) influential, which is important for accidental reasons, and innovative, which is important for real reasons, there's no reason CC should be higher than Death or MA.

Bad Brains shouldn't be on there because they never played metal, and it's not a list of the bands whose existence most influenced the state of metal as it now stands. They are a pretty excellent band, though.
 
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I'd hazard that when John posts the rest of the list Bad Brains will be in there.
 
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I AGREE
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Cannibal Corpse is more influential but less innovative than Death or Morbid Angel (or a bunch of other bands, for that matter). Since the list of 'best bands' has to try to find some balance between (among many other elements) influential, which is important for accidental reasons, and innovative, which is important for real reasons, there's no reason CC should be higher than Death or MA.

Bad Brains shouldn't be on there because they never played metal, and it's not a list of the bands whose existence most influenced the state of metal as it now stands. They are a pretty excellent band, though.

Given the fact that they pretty well started the whole gore type death metal I'd say Cannibal Corpse are every bit as innovative as Death or MA, but that's just my opinion. I do get what you're saying. Those bands rule and totally created a style of music. They definitely did a better job of bridging traditional music with metal.
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Cannibal Corpse is more influential but less innovative than Death or Morbid Angel (or a bunch of other bands, for that matter). Since the list of 'best bands' has to try to find some balance between (among many other elements) influential, which is important for accidental reasons, and innovative, which is important for real reasons, there's no reason CC should be higher than Death or MA.

Bad Brains shouldn't be on there because they never played metal, and it's not a list of the bands whose existence most influenced the state of metal as it now stands. They are a pretty excellent band, though.


Cannibal Corpse were never anywhere near as innovative as Death or Morbid Angel (or a host of other metal bands), and it's important to note that I am a massive CC fan and have been for much longer than I've been a fan of Death or Morbid Angel. I think Cannibal Corpse (or, more accurately Alex Webster) are excellent songwriters and tight fucking musicians, but Morbid Angel (or Trey) are also excellent songwriters, tight musicians, and much more experimental, multi-faceted, and not afraid to overstep the boundaries of what is considered metal to accomplish what they are trying to. The same can be (or could have been) said for Death in many regards.

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CC didn't start (or innovate) gore in metal or even in death metal. A whole host of bands were delving into that before CC even existed.
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sometimes CC is great
but... i dunno sometimes there just isn't anything specail about them.
y'know like every band has trademarks, and CC is just kind of a sponge.
Very good possibility im absolotely wrong though
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I wouldn't be hugely surprised if Bad Brains were on there, but, for the reason I stated, I expect that they won't be. It would take a very long time to list all the non-metal bands who innovated various things associated primarily with metal and leave many actual metal bands off the list. But I wouldn't be surprised if their arbitrary decisions were not the same as mine.
 
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i shouldnt even have mentioned them because i was thinking purely upon thier influence on metal drumming, not "the best metal band"

bad brains later stuff was metal-infused, funny enough. almost like alot of the mid tempo "bro" hardcore of the early 90s

very,very wierd and not even remotely influencial. one of my favorite albums is "with the quickness' which madonna produced, believe it or not.

metal-infused hardcore with lyrics about lost tribes of isreal and rastafarism, its one of the most bizzare albums ever created....ever.

guys like Captain Beefheart, Sun Ra and Screamin Jay Hawkins made wierd albums for thier time, for thier respective music genre and scene, bands like Boredoms, Throbbing Gristle and Butthole Surfers made totally mind bending records for thier time and so forth.

with the quickness is one of those albums but noone noticed, it just faded........ended up in the 3 dollar bin.


but it would be totally obnoxious to assert that bad brains are the best metal band.
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Is the list acctually top METAL bands or simply Top Bands. I say this because Terrorizer doesn't just do metal all the time (however it is about 90%). I have an old issue with the Dead Kennedys in it, when they did some shows with out Jello.

If this is the case Bad Brains deserve to be in at least the top 25.
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another thing about "with the quickness"

it was released in 1986, 20 year old metalcore sounding rastafarian music, no bullshit.


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I'd expect to have seen a non-metal band already. I also doubt that Sabbath, Maiden, and Slayer would be the top three of a list that wasn't restricted to metal.

I'm gonna go check out With a Quickness.
 
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i thought the album was just called 'quickness' or 'the quickness'

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definitely preview it before a purchase, of course.

it doesnt sound like much nowadays, but remember its extremely dated.

i think it was actually released in 88, but still its fucking old and this was before any religious hardcore bands, before hardcore bands were turning on to metal with maybe a few exceptions, hardcore bands with shred solos that rival metal bands.

edit: yeah, i got the title wrong.

there is a song that the lyric is "with...the...quickness!"
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Ok, the next twenty:

21. Mercyful Fate
22. Dead Kennedys
23. Kreator
24. Burzum
25. Autopsy
26. Darkthrone
27. Entombed
28. Candlemass
29. Black Flag
30. Mayhem
31. Sepultura
32. AC DC
33. Faith No More
34. Cathedral
35. Kyuss
36. Swans
37. Terrorizer
38. Misfits
39. Melvins
40. Brutal Truth

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I wouldn't be hugely surprised if Bad Brains were on there, but, for the reason I stated, I expect that they won't be. It would take a very long time to list all the non-metal bands who innovated various things associated primarily with metal and leave many actual metal bands off the list. But I wouldn't be surprised if their arbitrary decisions were not the same as mine.


Well we've had Discharge(though they did turn into a piss weak metal band later)
Dead Kennedy's
Black Flag
Swans
Misfits
Godflesh

As 'none' metal bands go that's a few in the top 40. I wouldn't call AC/DC metal either.
Terrorizer doesn't just cater for metal but the whole extreme music as a whole. So it frequently features punk, hardcore, industrial, experimental noise etc within it's pages.


C'mon Bad Brains make an appearance
 
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Man, don't cite things that were revealed later together with a quote from me as though my statement was made in knowledge of them. Obviously I didn't know that The Misfits, The Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, and Swans were going to be on the list.

However, Godflesh are usually considered metal and Earth A.D. is basically thrash metal in two-minute capsules. Black Flag is also a band I'd call borderline after they slowed down. And I'd call it significant that Minor Threat isn't up there with bands it's usually listed among. But yeah, point conceded, obviously this list isn't just metal bands.

Oh, I also retract any statement to the point that Bad Brains never played metal.

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yeah Earth AD. i love it
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41 to 60:

41. Throbbing Gristle
42. Manowar
43. Eyehategod
44. Kiss
45. Paradise Lost
46. Cradle of Filth
47. Dead Can Dance
48. Opeth
49. St Vitus
50. My Dying Bride
51. Minor Threat
52. Deicide
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54. Suffocation
55. Big Black
56. Ministry
57. Anthrax
58. Cannibal Corpse
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I was about to reply where the fuck is Suffocation. Then I read that ^.

# 54? my ass. They're not my fav band, in fact, they're playing tonight (I think... real soon anyway), and i'm not even seeing them. But I can say they have done more for metal than me or you will ever.

Terrorizer is fucking gay as fuck. Metal Maniacs is marginally better. Terrorizer just has fag bands like KSE nowadays anyway.

And then CC, Nile, and Pantera? so fucking low on the list??!

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Why the fuck are Throbbing Gristle so far down?

Oh that's right. Because Terrorizer is fucking shit.
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Terrorizer is fucking gay as fuck. Metal Maniacs is marginally better. Terrorizer just has fag bands like KSE nowadays anyway.

And then CC, Nile, and Pantera? so fucking low on the list??!

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Terrorizer isn't as gay as some so called 'metal mags'. Terrorizer just looks at tanned muscle bound topless men metal like KSE and gets a slight touch on. Where as other mags opt for the full on 8 ball gag, Kerry King leather chapps, fisting upto elbow gay metal band coverage!
 
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fuck that, CC can stay up there, but Nile? Suffo?
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The following of 21-60 would be on my list (not in that order but whatever)...


22. Dead Kennedys
24. Burzum
26. Darkthrone
29. Black Flag
33. Faith No More
35. Kyuss
36. Swans
38. Misfits
39. Melvins
40. Brutal Truth
41. Throbbing Gristle
43. Eyehategod
49. St Vitus
51. Minor Threat
55. Big Black


Alot of those didn't deserve to be on there.

Also Metal Maniacs is better because Mike Williams (Eyehategod) used to be the editor.
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61. Tool
62. Megadeth
63. DRI
64. Sleep
65. Immortal
66. Fear Factory
67. In Flames
68. Killing Joke
69. Suicidal Tendencies
70. SOD
71. Destruction
72. Dissection
73. Nirvana
74. Pink Floyd
75. Bad Brains
76. Hawkwind
77. Led Zeppelin
78. Obituary
79. Ramones
80. Converge
81. Cynic
82. Joy Division
83. Fugazi
84. Type O Negative
85. Rush
86. The Dillinger Escape Plan
87. Sonic Youth
88. Anathema
89. Helloween
90. Bad Religion
91. Slint
92. Young Gods
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94. Devin Townsend
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96. Bolt Thrower
97. Coroner
98. Hellhammer
99. Monster Magnet
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Well, the top 20 was good, anyway. I didn't even think Led Zeppelin were considered for the list, else they should have been much higher. I have many other quips, but I'll keep them to myself for now.
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....Nirvana then Obituary.
 
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....Nirvana then Obituary.

Both are ultra overrated bands. What's your point?
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I couldn't agree more, my point is that Nirvana is some lame fucken psuedo grunge stylised band and obituary started off in like the first wave of death metal, but Nirvana were MORE influencial in the METAL scen than OBituary?? Give me a break.
 
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Seems less and less to be a metal-only list, so Obituary's placement relative to Nirvana doesn't matter.

List made more sense when the top-20 was all.
 
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My conclusion is that the top 20 is about right, with the rest being just a slew of semi-random bands in a semi-random order. The journalists are only going to make sure that the top 20 is giving the message they want to give, the rest is just name-checking in no particular order and, to me, irrelevant (hence why I initially only posted the top 20).

Needless to say the list is five years old so it's a little unfair to judge some of the bands' positions in that list according to the esteem they may have garnered since.
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(in regards to the top 20) Knock up Morbid Angel and Bathory a few spaces and it's a pretty good list(I don't agree with the overall order but meh). Glad to see they didn't mention shitty questionable-metal bands, pretty good for a popular magazine. They did fail to mention Kreator, that's a big no-no IMO.

Discharge were one of the most influential bands to all the thrash metal bands, also the biggest influence to crust bands like Extreme Noise Terror and grindcore legends Napalm Death as well as Repulsion. They're an oldschool hardcore/thrash kinda thing, very primitive but awesome.

Mayhem does not deserve to be on the list. Bathory is already on it, that pretty much gave birth to the sound of black metal. Mayhem just jumped on the bandwagon.
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Kreator are present in the early 20's, I believe.
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Mayhem does not deserve to be on the list. Bathory is already on it, that pretty much gave birth to the sound of black metal. Mayhem just jumped on the bandwagon.

Not really. Bathory was a primary force in the first wave. But black metal as it is known today is largely a result of the 2nd wave, and Mayhem (in particular Euronymous) can pretty much claim full responsibility for spearheading that movement.
 
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Kreator are present in the early 20's, I believe.


Even if they weren't I could name many Euro thrash bands that were way better than (and just as influential as) Kreator ever were. Destruction and Coroner immediately jump to mind.
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Not really. Bathory was a primary force in the first wave. But black metal as it is known today is largely a result of the 2nd wave, and Mayhem (in particular Euronymous) can pretty much claim full responsibility for spearheading that movement.


Meh, I really don't like 2nd wave stuff. Even if they did give birth to the Scandinavian black metal sound(highly doubtful), they should be nowhere near the top 20, they're a mediocre band.

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Way better? Nah. To be honest I like Sodom and Kreator, but never cared at all for Destruction despite being so influential. Coroner are pretty cool but nowhere near as influential as Sodom or Kreator were.
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Okay, time to nitpick about a list that was posted two and half years ago and written like 9 years ago.

The only complaint I really feel the need to lodge is the disturbing lack of Deep Purple and Judas Priest. Both had a HUGE influence on the following metal scene, and I'm not talking "Smoke on the Water" or "Breaking the Law". Let's look more at "Speed King", "Highway Star", "Fireball", "Burn", for Deep Purple... early examples of tremolo riffing, fast playing, and double bass. How does that shit get left off? For Judas Priest one can look to "The Ripper", "Dissident Aggressor", "Exciter", and "Hellbent for Leather" and immediately recognize the massive influence they had on the entire metal genre, especially the speed/thrash scene.

I'm just saying, when you're throwing up shit like Burzum and Godflesh in the top 25, you have plenty of room for Deep Purple and Judas Priest. That is all.
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Er, Chris, Judas Priest come in at number 10...
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Er, Chris, Judas Priest come in at number 10...

Damn, I searched three times and still missed it. My bad, yo. What do you think about Deep Purple?
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Yeah, fairly bad to be honest. Particularly given that Blackmore was one of the earliest guitarists to incorporate classical elements into his playing.
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