im trying to get a sound close to suffocation, i have a jackson dkmg and a crate 2x12 combo with a metal zone pedal and 7band equalizer. i can get close but i cant ever get the way that they have the extreme heaviness but at the same time extreme clearity. anyone have any ideas?

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no one tell him about ampeg, he might bid on the one im bidding for

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That 1 is sweet!

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Haha I will tell you in a few days if I end up sniping the very said amp on ebay(in combo form, so JOAMdude you're safe). So yeah noone say what amp it is yet.

But Suffo also used a Peavey JSX I believe.

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You can try a crate gx-130c. It's what I have and it's modeled after the preamp in this particular amp that nobody wants to tell you about. You may want to ditch the metalzone pedal - i find these distortion pedals only really work with tube amps, i.e., sound halfway decent.

gaaagh you e-snipe?!?!?!
i thought you were a good person, i TRUSTED you.,


just out of curiousity your bidding on the VH-140C combo right?

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Yeah man, but don't worry I'm no sniping on the head that you want or anything, but nvm I'm not bidding on this one cuz it's in Cali and shipping will be around 450 bones. Nothing wrong with bidding at the last minute...

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have you tried compression? the sound is deceivingly 'deep' cuz of the lock with the loud bass and kick drums ... when the guitars are on their own, they just sound like compressed solid state fuzz with treble rolled off.

no but i have thought about it. i dont want to get rid of the metalzone because my amp distortion sucks.

doesnt suffo use peavey XXX ??? or whatever brand it is, some guy kept trying to impress em by saying he has the same amp as suffo, and he has a XX so

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would it help if i put the equalizer before the distortion pedal or vice versa?

Put the EQ in the FX loop and it will be a lot more effective

what do you mean unplug the footswitch that came with the amp and plug it in the reverb spot?

I have a Jackson Dinky alsong with a Marshall MG Series 250DFX. This is how I have my guitar and pedals:

Guitar goes into:

Boss CS-3 Compression Sustainer Pedal

into

Boss MT-2 Metal Zone Pedal

into

Boss GE-7 Equalizer Pedal

into

Boss NS-2 Noise Suppressor Pedal

then into my amp. I get a good Death Metal sound.

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Yes, but on Effigy and those older ones they used VH-140's, but the new ones are XXX's

just won a ss140 for $275

fuck you

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dude, i can't seem to avoid the suffocation sound once i start tweaking away at my tone. my setup is different than yours, but this is how i do it:
i'm using a toneport right now, but i've always been able to hit the suffocation sound. anyway, toneport-insane amp model, gain-10, bass-10, mids-0, treb-7, presence-10. presence up and highs down is key, well, along with scooped mids of course. but the real secret is an eq in the effects loop. without it i sound like some wanky nu-metal shit. i boost the bass around 70hz, scoop the mids some more in the 500hz range-not too much, and crank the treble up around 3-4khz. then i tweak the gate and the compression to tighten things up a bit.
the freq's may differ due to your equipment, and you also may be able to be more moderate on some of the knobs if your pickups are better than my shitty stock p/u's.

well, i'm drunk as fuck and i'm rambling.
hope it helps

As far as the Suffocation sound goes, I like Peirced's sound best, and the main reason that one is so heavy is the compression but also the pre and post Eq'ing done. The take away lower mids on the pre but add them on the post, making for a really brutal "deep" sound.

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If you have any other piece of Line 6 gear like a PODxt Live or whatever, the Lunatic amp model is the way to go for the Suffocation sound. In LIVE mode (hooked up to a cab) set the drive at 12 o'clock, bass at 3 o'clock, mids at 11 o'clock, treble at 4 o'clock, presence at 3 o'clock. Use the "Red Comp" stompbox model with default settings and viola, you don't even need post EQ. Oh, and use the "Brit T75 4 X 12" speakers.

HOWEVER, thanks to this thread, I know now I must, MUST try a VH140c head as well as a Randall Cyclone. Or a Peavy XXX at that. Despite the help above, I'm getting fucking sick of my PODxt Live, and I don't know if shelling out $200 for a Radtone Harmonic Converger is gonna save the relationship.

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Yeah, it won't. If you can't tweak it to your liking you're better off trying something else. No point in forcing yourself to like something.

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I've been meaning to ask this question for a while and I don't wanna make a whole new thread for it because it still has to do with the VH140c:

Q: What is the difference between the VH140c and the Lee Jackson designed Ampeg VL4000 besides the tubes?

I'm already scheming on selling off my Line 6 PODxt Live and my Carvin DCM 600 poweramp I got like 3 months ago so I can grab a VH140c. This amp was made for me, I swear. I just found out about the chorus feature and how it supposedly rivals the JC-120 chorus, my favorite clean amp of all time. Brutal "Effigy Of The Forgotten" style distortion and pristine Roland chorus clean are like the only two tones I go back and forth from my Line 6 PODxt Live anyways - I don't even switch any banks.

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That's a sick ass setup! One time I was at a guitar store in Boston with my buddy and we saw this Epiphone Les Paul baritone, and they have these small rooms with half stacks so you can try out guitars in private and hear yourself better. So we grabbed the guitar, went up to the front desk to ask for a few pedals/patch cables to try with it and proceeded to plug into a Marshall stack (forgot what kind)... so the setup was as follows: Epiphone Les Paul baritone--> Boss CS-3 Compression Sustainer--> Boss MT-2 Metal Zone--> Boss CH-1 Super Chorus--> Unknown Marshall half-stack. Cranked out a few chugs on that son bitch and boy did we get thrown out in a heartbeat!! Thing was SO BALLSY.

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The VH and VL share absolutely nothing in common, except they're both high gain amps. The Vl's are super-high gain Marshally amps, comparable to Splawns or perhaps Soldanos, but with actual low end. Btw no such thing as Vl4000. It's Vl-501/502(50W heads), Vl-503(50W oversized 1x12 combo), and Vl-1001/1002.

The "2" versions of the amps have a key-lock system to prevent theft. Great amps. Although a bit unreliable because of a flaw in their power output transformer wiring, apparently on many VL's they die, but regular maintenence may prevent this. Erik Rutan has used an Ampeg VL-502 on all his solos with Morbid Angel.

I haven't heard SUPER great things about the chorus on the VH but in stereo I hear it sounds pretty good(but apparently it's the cheesy 80's boss kinda chorus, just better). Yes, both the clean and grind channels are amazing, there is some dude on HC that prefers his VH140C's over his Engl Powerball. Unfortunately even the VH is prone to reliability problems, they're old amps, a lot of people have poweramp failures these days, but there are tons of schematics out there... sooner or later someone will figure out how to make them more reliable, because they're such amazing amps.

Make sure you have a stereo cab/2 cabs though running in 8 or 4 ohms. The amp has 2 poweramps, so you want both to have a load(even if it's SS it's still a good idea), and it sounds amazing in stereo too. And apparently kicks monstrous ass with a vintage 30 cab, not so great with scooped mid speakers as it already has tons of low end and piercing highs.

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+1 to the above. I (one of few people apparently) actually love the chorus on my ampeg. If u experiment with the settings a bit it doesnt sound as cheesy...I'm getting a pretty decent chorus out of it, a lot like the leads and cleans you hear from Death's later stuff. It's a pretty old school voiced amp to begin with... brutal but definitely sounds like it was designed in the late 80's.

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Soeru, I have to give you a big cheers for basically laying out the plans to my future rig in this post. I'll try to snag two 4 X 12's loaded with Vintage 30s and make sure they're wired right, but what 4 X 12's go good with the VH140c?
And I for one love that "cheesy 80's chorus" tone. I can't get enough of that Roland Chorus Ensemble sound.

EDIT : Only on cleans though, I don't wanna sound like Type O Negative

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i got sigged for being a newb!!!=pwnd

No, you were sigged because you are a douche.